Naked Snake AKA Big Boss. Expert in sneaking and jungle survival. In the given scenario, what street level heroes can defeat him?
Combatants are thrown in a 7 mile-diameter jungle armed with nothing aside standard camo fatigues. They must track the other down and defeat them. Basic info, morals ON.
I usually see Spider-Man as the highest a street level character can be, and considering Lizard was just tossing him around for lulz, I'd say no.
@joewell said:
@nickzambuto: Gorgon
These are some pretty high-up guys if I do say so. Anyone a bit lower? I would think Kraven, Black Panther, etc - guys who can match Snake's survival skills.
I seriously doubt Cat Man's odds. Deadshot will probably be eaten by an alligator.
@Strider92 said:
@nickzambuto: In that case current Kraven, X-23, Poison Ivy, Lizard pre-shed, Smiley (Predator) and Deathstroke probably stand a good chance.
Kraven is a good one. I can make a case for Snake against him, Smiley, and Deathstroke though.
With X-23, Snake's only bet is to somehow incacipitate her; via blood loss by slicing her throat with a makeshift knife? Wouldn't be easy, his odds aren't well against her.
Poison Ivy is kinda cheating considering the scenario :P. Lizard should win unless Snake gets proper gear.
I seriously doubt Cat Man's odds. Deadshot will probably be eaten by an alligator.
Catman has survival experience due to training in Africa for a few years, yeah he was a loser for a while but he shaped up and even gave Batman a good fight. So I'd say he could fair well against Big Boss in the jungle. Deadshot can handle an alligator, especially after he starts tossing sticks and stones for projectile weapons, he can tag Big Boss.
I seriously doubt Cat Man's odds. Deadshot will probably be eaten by an alligator.
Catman has survival experience due to training in Africa for a few years, yeah he was a loser for a while but he shaped up and even gave Batman a good fight. So I'd say he could fair well against Big Boss in the jungle. Deadshot can handle an alligator, especially after he starts tossing sticks and stones for projectile weapons, he can tag Big Boss.
I seriously doubt Cat Man's odds. Deadshot will probably be eaten by an alligator.
Catman has survival experience due to training in Africa for a few years, yeah he was a loser for a while but he shaped up and even gave Batman a good fight. So I'd say he could fair well against Big Boss in the jungle. Deadshot can handle an alligator, especially after he starts tossing sticks and stones for projectile weapons, he can tag Big Boss.
Deadshot has never shown the ability to turn objects into weapons like Bullseye. Even if he could, Snake can easily sneak up on him.
Maybe not, but it's not like he wasn't trying at all, he wasn't intentionally getting hit, so i'd say that little scuffle was "pretty good" at least, not like when Green Arrow stomped Blake.
@nickzambuto said:
Deadshot has never shown the ability to turn objects into weapons like Bullseye. Even if he could, Snake can easily sneak up on him.
Not saying he can do it like Bullseye, but it is an option and considering his already impeccable aim, still dangerous...
@N0tS0An0nym0us: Sure but I think if batman were going full out I think he would beat catman pretty easily.
Of course he could/would. But Big Boss is no Batman, so Blake shouldn't have to worry about that ... not too much anyway
Big Boss's stealth and survival ability is leaps and bounds superior to Cat Man. Likewise, his stats and fighting skill are similarly superior. There is not a scenario where Cat Man comes out the winner.
@Outside_85 said:
Thowing out some names:
Killer Croc, Lady Shiva, Elektra, Zsaz?
Zsaz? I don't see how, unless I'm missing something.
Lady Shiva and Elektra have a better chance at straight h2h combat. In the jungle, Snake should be capable of getting the drop on both.
With the right gear Snake can stomp Croc. As per OP he is without gear, but he's proven time and time against his ability to improvise, so he still takes a majority.
I think Daken can. Even without his healing factor I think he can do it, he has been able to sneak up on logan in the past and that disappearing trick is something snake will have trouble with. And you probably know my stance on batman and black panther. Kraven is really tough to drop so snake would need gear to deal with him IMO.
I think Daken can. Even without his healing factor I think he can do it, he has been able to sneak up on logan in the past and that disappearing trick is something snake will have trouble with. And you probably know my stance on batman and black panther. Kraven is really tough to drop so snake would need gear to deal with him IMO.
You've nearly convinced me of Batman winning in h2h (nearly) but I believe with the jungle survival setting, Batman won't fair well at all. Snake is at a big advantage here with stealth.
I think Daken can. Even without his healing factor I think he can do it, he has been able to sneak up on logan in the past and that disappearing trick is something snake will have trouble with. And you probably know my stance on batman and black panther. Kraven is really tough to drop so snake would need gear to deal with him IMO.
You've nearly convinced me of Batman winning in h2h (nearly) but I believe with the jungle survival setting, Batman won't fair well at all. Snake is at a big advantage here with stealth.
Daken is interesting.
Admittedly a jungle snake might have a stealth edge all though batman has some pretty good stealth. Ghosting Jay Garrick, flicking the lights to disappear in front of martian manhunter are the main feats I know of with batmans stealth.
I think Daken can. Even without his healing factor I think he can do it, he has been able to sneak up on logan in the past and that disappearing trick is something snake will have trouble with. And you probably know my stance on batman and black panther. Kraven is really tough to drop so snake would need gear to deal with him IMO.
You've nearly convinced me of Batman winning in h2h (nearly) but I believe with the jungle survival setting, Batman won't fair well at all. Snake is at a big advantage here with stealth.
Daken is interesting.
Admittedly a jungle snake might have a stealth edge all though batman has some pretty good stealth. Ghosting Jay Garrick, flicking the lights to disappear in front of martian manhunter are the main feats I know of with batmans stealth.
Urban stealth is a completely different thing. Solid Snake straight up deadpanned he's "not a hunter like Big Boss", but when the two played hide n' seek in an office building, Daddy Snake ended up in a coma.
Batman will win in a city setting, but the jungle is Big Boss's home.
I think Daken can. Even without his healing factor I think he can do it, he has been able to sneak up on logan in the past and that disappearing trick is something snake will have trouble with. And you probably know my stance on batman and black panther. Kraven is really tough to drop so snake would need gear to deal with him IMO.
You've nearly convinced me of Batman winning in h2h (nearly) but I believe with the jungle survival setting, Batman won't fair well at all. Snake is at a big advantage here with stealth.
Daken is interesting.
Admittedly a jungle snake might have a stealth edge all though batman has some pretty good stealth. Ghosting Jay Garrick, flicking the lights to disappear in front of martian manhunter are the main feats I know of with batmans stealth.
Urban stealth is a completely different thing. Solid Snake straight up deadpanned he's "not a hunter like Big Boss", but when the two played hide n' seek in an office building, Daddy Snake ended up in a coma.
Batman will win in a city setting, but the jungle is Big Boss's home.
Anyone with enhanced senses Pretty much anyone with any means of detecting Snake so he cant shoot them in the head Anyone with healing or durability enough to tank a bullet Anyone with sufficient reflexes to dodge a bullet that they dont see coming Anyone with intagibility
Anyone with enhanced senses Pretty much anyone with any means of detecting Snake so he cant shoot them in the headAnyone with healing or durability enough to tank a bullet Anyone with sufficient reflexes to dodge a bullet that they dont see coming Anyone with intagibility The list is enormous
Big Boss is the second best marksman in the series. It'll take some pretty expert dodgers to beat him when he has a gun.
Anyone with enhanced senses Pretty much anyone with any means of detecting Snake so he cant shoot them in the headAnyone with healing or durability enough to tank a bullet Anyone with sufficient reflexes to dodge a bullet that they dont see coming Anyone with intagibility The list is enormous
Big Boss is the second best marksman in the series. It'll take some pretty expert dodgers to beat him when he has a gun.
Iv never seen something to put him on the same level as some of the marksman in comics. An expert dodger that comes to mind off hand and as much as i hate her is Cassie Cain.
Anyone with enhanced senses Pretty much anyone with any means of detecting Snake so he cant shoot them in the headAnyone with healing or durability enough to tank a bullet Anyone with sufficient reflexes to dodge a bullet that they dont see coming Anyone with intagibility The list is enormous
Big Boss is the second best marksman in the series. It'll take some pretty expert dodgers to beat him when he has a gun.
Iv never seen something to put him on the same level as some of the marksman in comics. An expert dodger that comes to mind off hand and as much as i hate her is Cassie Cain.
@nickzambuto: Its your job to educate me in all my biased wonder ;-)
I haven't played the games either (shooters really aren't my favorite genre) so most of what I know about the characters is from hear-say on Comic-vine and stuff their profile says...
@nickzambuto: Its your job to educate me in all my biased wonder ;-)
For one thing, he's better with a gun than Solid Snake, who tags Spider-Man speed characters on a daily basis and beat Sniper Wolf in a firefight (FOXHOUND was an elite unit reserved for superhuman combatants. Wolf got along through pure marksman skill, her accuracy was literally superhuman. Snake beat her twice)
More directly, Big Boss has taken on entire armies at a time by himself. He's defeated a league of snipers with an AK, and destroyed the Chrysalis (high tech flying AI literally designed to dodge bullets) by landing pinpoint shots on the AI Pod while it was flying hundreds of feet in the air.
@nickzambuto: Its your job to educate me in all my biased wonder ;-)
I haven't played the games either (shooters really aren't my favorite genre) so most of what I know about the characters is from hear-say on Comic-vine and stuff their profile says...
@nickzambuto: I will just point out that Zsaz can kill people just by shaking hands with them, granted he is not much of a sneak but during NML he did almost open a man's artery with his fingernails while he was unconscious.
@nickzambuto: Its your job to educate me in all my biased wonder ;-)
For one thing, he's better with a gun than Solid Snake, who tags Spider-Man speed characters on a daily basis and beat Sniper Wolf in a firefight (FOXHOUND was an elite unit reserved for superhuman combatants. Wolf got along through pure marksman skill, her accuracy was literally superhuman. Snake beat her twice)
More directly, Big Boss has taken on entire armies at a time by himself. He's defeated a league of snipers with an AK, and destroyed the Chrysalis (high tech flying AI literally designed to dodge bullets) by landing pinpoint shots on the AI Pod while it was flying hundreds of feet in the air.
While legitimate feats to be sure.How is he going to aim his rifle to the point (And ill use Cass here) that she wont dodge it?Basically his options are limited without knowing how she is going to move?He can aim at her more or less.All she needs to do is move out of the way and he misses
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