All I ever hear on this site is WW this and WW that. So, can anybody tell me who can beat this guy or is he just the most powerful (non-sky/all/god level) fictional character?
Who can beat a bloodlusted Wally West?
@ToO_RaW said:
@kameo said:
@ToO_RaW said:
Deathstroke.
Never seen a blood lusted wally losing to Death Stroke.
What exactly have you seen a Blood lusted Wally do that would nullify the fact that Deathstroke has tripped, and stabbed a speeding Flash?
that wally had morals on and wasn't moving at max speed, so that point is null.
@spiderbuck: is Franklin Richards fast enough straight off the bat to stop WW? Imagining they're both bloodlusted, wouldn't Wally just wipe him out in a trillionth of a yoctosecond? Is Richards fast enough to respond to this? Same argument for SS. He's virtually indestructible, but WW's speed goes beyond synthetic benchmarks of physical damage and actually tunes down to a molecular level.
@ToO_RaW said:
Why is my question being avoided? Claim PIS all you want, DS has done it twice.
He also had prep due to the fact the ground was blowing up in Identity Crisis. According to my knowledge of the world the ground does not just blow up.
@joeagentofhand1 said:
@ToO_RaW said:
Why is my question being avoided? Claim PIS all you want, DS has done it twice.
He also had prep due to the fact the ground was blowing up in Identity Crisis. According to my knowledge of the world the ground does not just blow up.
Just to add to the facts of the instances being mentioned, Flash was moving at a speed where DS could tag him and the explosives were used to guide Flash into a sword based on that fact.
As far as him getting tripped, DS hid behind the corner of a building and Wally was again only moving so fast and he couldn't see he tripped. Big whoop.
There's a lot of wrong answers in this thread, but Wally's got an absurd powerset that lends itself to easy extrapolation of winning bloodlusted fights against anyone who A: Can't tank thousands of stronger than Superman level punches, B: Can't control their molecules to a greater degree than Wally can cause them to explode via phasing (this includes intangibles like J'onn and Vision, since he has and can counter intangibility, because he himself is someone with that power), or C: Don't have the proper means to counter a speed steal (time manipulation).
For what it's worth, he is the living embodiment of a fundamental force of the universe. Avatars of greater powers are frequently hard to beat, it's like asking why Surfer wins so many fights on this forum.
People also seem to forget that the vast majority of Wally's low showings were A: When he couldn't tap the speed force after Barry's death (he got slower when he went from Kid Flash to Flash because of this) or B: When the Speed Force threatened to kill him if he went faster than light for extended periods of time. When he accomplished overcoming these obstacles, his power and abilities skyrocketed. Just imagine how pathetic Surfer would be if extended use of his powers killed him, or if he was cut off from using the vast majority of his Power Cosmic (this has happened a whole lot, actually, and accounts for a lot of Surfer's low showings).
Flash just has really hard to beat powers (FTL Reaction time and combat speed, striking power above Superman's, and the grand daddy of overpowered abilities, Speed Steal. Also Speed Force Dump BFR, but that's only if he can physically move his target which usually means an IMP would beat them). He's a great dueliest who has other limitation when it comes to comic scenarios. He can beat the crap out of Mongul, but it's not like he can tow a planet like Superman.
SS, Zoom, Runner, Thanos, Darkseid, Tyrant, Alan Scott(Starheart), Nova Prime(Worldmind), Franklin Richards, Mad Jim Jaspers, Legion, AoA Iceman, Mr. Majestic, Plutonean, Martian, Manhunter, Despero, Doom w/prep, Prof. Zoom, Rogues w/prep, Shaman Nate, Brainiac w/prep, Lex Luthor w/prep, Odin, Zeus, and so on.
@Hksaru said:
Most high end DBZ characters.
There are no high end DB/Z/GT characters that can beat a bloodlusted Wally West.
The most obvious one is Zoom...
Barry have some chance of beating Wally, certain incarnation of Superman (Kal Kent, Silver Age, Man Prime), Silver Surfer under the right circumstance, Runner is debatable.
Some character might be invulnerable, but they might only end up in stalemate or being BFR.
@LordMasterGod said:
All I ever hear on this site is WW this and WW that. So, can anybody tell me who can beat this guy or is he just the most powerful (non-sky/all/god level) fictional character?
Very, very few people can defeat Wally West when he's blood lusted. Its a fact that catches many people off guard, but its a fact none the less.
Zoom could defeat him, and outside of that there are very few people who could actually take him.
@uberhikari said:
@Hksaru said:
Most high end DBZ characters.
There are no high end DB/Z/GT characters that can beat a bloodlusted Wally West.
Yes they would, you are joking?
@LordMasterGod said:
All I ever hear on this site is WW this and WW that. So, can anybody tell me who can beat this guy or is he just the most powerful (non-sky/all/god level) fictional character?
Yeah, all I hear I Wonder Woman this Wonder Woman that, too.....
Well, anyone who could possibly react to him should be able to beat him. Or anyone who could survive an IMP and/or speed steal (because I'm sure there are some people who could counter that).
@blackadamFTW: Lol, how can you counter Speed Steal. The only people who can possibly do that are people who generate energy which isn't automatic. And if he steals their speed he'll have enough time to IMP the mess out of them. Remember he can do an IMP more than 100 times in WAY under a second. And all the guys who can't be hurt(which is ridicilous and only marvel does) flash can just dump them in the speed force so he automatically wins.
@Wardemon32 said:
@blackadamFTW: Lol, how can you counter Speed Steal. The only people who can possibly do that are people who generate energy which isn't automatic. And if he steals their speed he'll have enough time to IMP the mess out of them. Remember he can do an IMP more than 100 times in WAY under a second. And all the guys who can't be hurt(which is ridicilous and only marvel does) flash can just dump them in the speed force so he automatically wins.
Energy based beings could counter a speed steal in one way or another. Someone like Despero or Cyborg Superman could counter a speed steal by projecting their consciousness into someone or something. Plus, an IMP wouldn't do much to either Despero or Cyborg Superman, and I'm sure some energy based beings could survive an IMP.
Also, I doubt dumping someone into the speed force would be Wally's first option. In the past, at least from what I've seen, it's been a last resort option. Someone who can teleport might be able of countering this (though I'm not positive).
Classic Doctor Strange, SA Supes, Solar Man of the Atom, Dr. Manhatten, Bugs Bunny, Road Runner, Aquaman from Super Friends an Batman w/prep.
@blackadamFTW: I don't think anyone can telepoert out of the Speed Force. Remember Wally is bloodlusted so you don't know what he'll do. Despero can be physically hurt and Cyborg Superman. How can someone take thousands of punches that are harder than Supermans and brush it off?
Flash is too fast for Despero to even react and FLash would have already layed thousands of IMP's on him and he can even bring that to Millions. ONE IMP punch almost killed a White Martian. Yea they may be able to take one but, give them about 50 and their going down. And Flash can also counter telepathy.
And even is their energy based that still doesn't take away from the fact that e just stole ALL of your speed. And it will take some time for them to get all of their speed back. By that time Flash can just stand there and pound on them.
Or he can also phase through them causing their molecules to explode.
@ToO_RaW said:
@joeagentofhand1 said:
@ToO_RaW said:
Why is my question being avoided?
this
Look at all the effort exhausted to catch DS off guard and then not even kill the mere metahuman. lol.
He actually didn't catch him off guard. Slade was fully aware something was coming at him he just didn't know what. Flash could slaughter deathstroke in an instant if he really felt like it.
@blackadamFTW said:
@Wardemon32 said:
@blackadamFTW: Lol, how can you counter Speed Steal. The only people who can possibly do that are people who generate energy which isn't automatic. And if he steals their speed he'll have enough time to IMP the mess out of them. Remember he can do an IMP more than 100 times in WAY under a second. And all the guys who can't be hurt(which is ridicilous and only marvel does) flash can just dump them in the speed force so he automatically wins.
Energy based beings could counter a speed steal in one way or another. Someone like Despero or Cyborg Superman could counter a speed steal by projecting their consciousness into someone or something. Plus, an IMP wouldn't do much to either Despero or Cyborg Superman, and I'm sure some energy based beings could survive an IMP.
Also, I doubt dumping someone into the speed force would be Wally's first option. In the past, at least from what I've seen, it's been a last resort option. Someone who can teleport might be able of countering this (though I'm not positive).
This isn't true at all, Wally West has even used speed steal on beings completely made out of energy.
@XLR87T3 said:
Zoom
The Runner (easily)
Kid Buu
Martian Manhunter (possibly)
Silver Surfer (possibly)
Kid Buu can't beat a blood lusted Wally West, we already had a pretty large debate about this in the Kid Buu vs Justice League thread. Speed Steal + being dragged to the end of the universe = heat death for Kid Buu. Martian Manhunter can't either: Wally can counter TP and intangibility.
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