@baron_von_santa:
to even entertain the notion is ridiculous.
That part right there is why you are so condescending, you assume your word to be the authority whereas your thought on that being ridiculous is merely AN OPINION but not only that it's also quite insulting.
this is the problem here. here at comicivne, we never use theories. we use feats, and in some cases, statements. IF we use theories, then superman prime is more powerful than the source, Michael, and lucifer, which is, again, ridiculous. anyway, you have to be able to back up your claims, and because your only defense is 'he is a reality warper', your 'theory' is false.
And yet tons of the battles fought here are based and fought on "What Ifs" which are also theoreticals. Like superman being sundipped for 24 hours, Hulk being given the power gem or a red lantern ring, battles having the combatants have equalized speeds and using beings that have potentially infinite power who's upper limits have not yet been shown instead use an adjustable amount of power.
and if you really consider lucifer an accidental hero (whatever that means, that word sounds like you invented it) then you are sadly mistaken. lucifer only cares about himself. and saving the universe is only a side effect in his plan of survival. I have never seen lucifer do anything for someone's gain except Elaine, and that still was in his plan. lucifer, a hero. dream on.
It's a trope and I already provided you with an example of one, which is Hardball.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AccidentalHero
Maybe not by your definition, like I said heroics vary depending on the individual defining it. Don't place your opinions as facts. And I specifically said that Lucifer WAS the hero during that time, not that he is going to stay a hero.
you say it is a simple question? that ridiculous question is anything BUT simple. why did the guy save the universe? if you base everything on only the end result, then I am afraid I have to say, that is really shallow. you ask a question that no one can answer without further knowledge, and when it ask, you begin to accuse me. that is childish. if you are really right, you can NOT resort to manipulation to succeed
Are you telling me that a "Hero" that destroys a universe to save his own universe is still a hero (assume it's the only possible way and that the inhabitants of each universe cannot travel between the universes)? Well, maybe to the eyes of his peers but that is only in his universe. To the other he is the ultimate villain. See, the what happens here is he destroyed a universe to save one. The end does not justify the means is also a point you are trying to make and here it is. And the means he used is evil yet the outcome is good.
Now here is where you choose, is this man a ultimately hero or is he ultimately a villain?
Here's another scenario wherein a two universes who's inhabitants are the epitome of good and that their universes are about to implode on each other unless one universe is destroyed. Also assume that travel between the denizens is impossible. Eventually a "Hero" steps up and vanquishes the other universe to save his own universe. But now the problem here is that, he has committed mass genocide and has committed an evil act by vanquishing a universe inhabited by the forces of good. He has saved his people, but he has damned another's.
Tell me, is this man the hero or is he the villain?
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Also, calling me annoying and childish? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. We're both assholes, at least I admit to being one.
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NOTE: Forget Franklin, I changed my mind after reading PowerHercs feat list for Chaos Wars Hercules.
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