#1 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Dont tell me Midnighter or Karate Kid cause they are not.

The characters use choose cannot use any special gadgets such as armors that increase speed or any like that.

#2 Edited by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom. *troll face* 
 
In all seriousness, street levelers aren't exactly my forte. However, I've always believed Black Panther (with his herb of course), to be the quintessential street leveler. I'd be willing to stipulate that given the right conditions, T'Challa could defeat Mister X. The current Moon Knight might prove too much for Mister X as well, but I could be mistaken.

#3 Posted by Vance Astro (91403 posts) - - Show Bio
@Illuminatus said:
Zoom. *troll face*  In all seriousness, street levelers aren't exactly my forte. However, I've always placed Black Panther (with his herb of course), as the quintessential street leveler. The current Moon Knight might prove too much for Mister X as well, but I could be mistaken.
1.You think Black Panther can beat him? Because even with the herb he's not physically beyond Wolverine and he has no mental defense. 
2.What changed about Moon Knight?
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#4 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
@Illuminatus said:
Zoom. *troll face*  In all seriousness, street levelers aren't exactly my forte. However, I've always placed Black Panther (with his herb of course), as the quintessential street leveler. The current Moon Knight might prove too much for Mister X as well, but I could be mistaken.
1.You think Black Panther can beat him? Because even with the herb he's not physically beyond Wolverine and he has no mental defense. 2.What changed about Moon Knight?
1. I realize that. I figured that even without mental defenses, he would be able to out-skill X, but you know more about street levelers than I do, so I trust your opinion. 
 
2. He's completely psychotic. I figured that X would find it difficult to read him and counter his attacks, but again, I could be wrong.
#5 Posted by higher_evolutionary (2014 posts) - - Show Bio

catman, azrael, iron fist
seriously no one cept  JPV and he isnt a normal guy
#6 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13122 posts) - - Show Bio
I guess any street leveler that has TP defenses?
#7 Posted by Renny (507 posts) - - Show Bio

Street levelers are the best. It's the flying bricks and overpowered characters that are boring.

#8 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus: Black Panther hasnt got any chance at all,believe me.He isnt in any way better than Wolverine and his fighting skills arent superior to Mr Xs

As for Moon Knight,he cannot even defeat Daredevil and you think he can keep up with Mr X?

Even if he is completely psychotic and Mr X cannot read his mind,he can just beat him to death because he is a lot better fighter.

#9 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus: Black Panther hasnt got any chance at all,believe me.He isnt in any way better than Wolverine and his fighting skills arent superior to Mr Xs

As for Moon Knight,he cannot even defeat Daredevil and you think he can keep up with Mr X?

Even if he is completely psychotic and Mr X cannot read his mind,he can just beat him to death because he is a lot better fighter.

Yeah, like I said, street levelers aren't characters I have extensive knowledge about. I was just tossing ideas out there, and I was happy to be proven wrong. After all, it would only serve to increase my knowledge of them. 
 
Do any street levelers even have an inherent defense against telepathy?
#10 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus: Black Panther hasnt got any chance at all,believe me.He isnt in any way better than Wolverine and his fighting skills arent superior to Mr Xs

As for Moon Knight,he cannot even defeat Daredevil and you think he can keep up with Mr X?

Even if he is completely psychotic and Mr X cannot read his mind,he can just beat him to death because he is a lot better fighter.

Yeah, like I said, street levelers aren't characters I have extensive knowledge about. I was just tossing ideas out there, and I was happy to be proven wrong. After all, it would only serve to increase my knowledge of them. Do any street levelers even have an inherent defense against telepathy?

I am happy to see some people are thinking that way.You are a really positive person.

Deadpool is resistant to any kind of telepathy as far as I remeber.

#11 Posted by Vance Astro (91403 posts) - - Show Bio
@Illuminatus said:
@Vance Astro said:
@Illuminatus said:
Zoom. *troll face*  In all seriousness, street levelers aren't exactly my forte. However, I've always placed Black Panther (with his herb of course), as the quintessential street leveler. The current Moon Knight might prove too much for Mister X as well, but I could be mistaken.
1.You think Black Panther can beat him? Because even with the herb he's not physically beyond Wolverine and he has no mental defense. 2.What changed about Moon Knight?
1. I realize that. I figured that even without mental defenses, he would be able to out-skill X, but you know more about street levelers than I do, so I trust your opinion.  2. He's completely psychotic. I figured that X would find it difficult to read him and counter his attacks, but again, I could be wrong.
What makes you think BP is more skilled than him?
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#12 Posted by God_Spawn (38293 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambit.

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#13 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus said:

@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus: Black Panther hasnt got any chance at all,believe me.He isnt in any way better than Wolverine and his fighting skills arent superior to Mr Xs

As for Moon Knight,he cannot even defeat Daredevil and you think he can keep up with Mr X?

Even if he is completely psychotic and Mr X cannot read his mind,he can just beat him to death because he is a lot better fighter.

Yeah, like I said, street levelers aren't characters I have extensive knowledge about. I was just tossing ideas out there, and I was happy to be proven wrong. After all, it would only serve to increase my knowledge of them. Do any street levelers even have an inherent defense against telepathy?

I am happy to see some people are thinking that way.You are a really positive person.

Deadpool is resistant to any kind of telepathy as far as I remeber.

I appreciate that. 
 
Yes, but Deadpool is...well...Deadpool. It would take a miracle for him to fight seriously.
#14 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

Gambit.

Does he even count as a street leveler anymore?
#15 Posted by Vance Astro (91403 posts) - - Show Bio
@Illuminatus said:
@god_spawn said:

Gambit.

Does he even count as a street leveler anymore?
Yes...
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#16 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
@Illuminatus said:
@Vance Astro said:
@Illuminatus said:
Zoom. *troll face*  In all seriousness, street levelers aren't exactly my forte. However, I've always placed Black Panther (with his herb of course), as the quintessential street leveler. The current Moon Knight might prove too much for Mister X as well, but I could be mistaken.
1.You think Black Panther can beat him? Because even with the herb he's not physically beyond Wolverine and he has no mental defense. 2.What changed about Moon Knight?
1. I realize that. I figured that even without mental defenses, he would be able to out-skill X, but you know more about street levelers than I do, so I trust your opinion.  2. He's completely psychotic. I figured that X would find it difficult to read him and counter his attacks, but again, I could be wrong.
What makes you think BP is more skilled than him?
Reading your arguments in the BP vs. Shang Chi thread..
#17 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Deadpool
  2. Black Canary
  3. Psylocke (if she's street level)
#18 Edited by God_Spawn (38293 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@god_spawn said:

Gambit.

Does he even count as a street leveler anymore?

I don't see why not. If people can still call Wolverine street level, then Gambit can be too. If it is full powered Gambit, then no.

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#19 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

@Illuminatus said:

@god_spawn said:

Gambit.

Does he even count as a street leveler anymore?

I don't see why not. If people can still call Wolverine street level, then Gambit can be too. If it is full powered Gambit, then no.

M'kay. Well, he is resistant to telepathy. And he's agile to boot. 
#20 Posted by mextli (648 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Fantomex still count as streel level? cause his misdirection should be more than a counter for for X. Telepathy. Plus doesn't his mask have TP blocking plates?

#21 Posted by Vance Astro (91403 posts) - - Show Bio
@Illuminatus said:
Reading your arguments in the BP vs. Shang Chi thread..
BP would probably break Shang Chi off by I think  X is more skilled than him.
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#22 Posted by Dex_Starr (4754 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva or Batgirl could probably have a fairly even fight with him.

#23 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
@Illuminatus said:
Reading your arguments in the BP vs. Shang Chi thread..
BP would probably break Shang Chi off by I think  X is more skilled than him.
Hurm. Well, lesson learned, I suppose.  
 
Thanks for being civil about it.
#24 Posted by God_Spawn (38293 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@god_spawn said:

@Illuminatus said:

@god_spawn said:

Gambit.

Does he even count as a street leveler anymore?

I don't see why not. If people can still call Wolverine street level, then Gambit can be too. If it is full powered Gambit, then no.

M'kay. Well, he is resistant to telepathy. And he's agile to boot.

And he generally prefers distance which eliminates X's main advantage of h2h. Also the explosions have an area effect and Gambit tends to throw multiple at once, X is gonna be hard pressed to dodge or get caught eventually which sets Remy up. And speaking of his agility, Gambit is agile and fast enough to keep that distance. If he goes h2h against X, then Gambit will be in trouble.

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#25 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus said:

@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus: Black Panther hasnt got any chance at all,believe me.He isnt in any way better than Wolverine and his fighting skills arent superior to Mr Xs

As for Moon Knight,he cannot even defeat Daredevil and you think he can keep up with Mr X?

Even if he is completely psychotic and Mr X cannot read his mind,he can just beat him to death because he is a lot better fighter.

Yeah, like I said, street levelers aren't characters I have extensive knowledge about. I was just tossing ideas out there, and I was happy to be proven wrong. After all, it would only serve to increase my knowledge of them. Do any street levelers even have an inherent defense against telepathy?

I am happy to see some people are thinking that way.You are a really positive person.

Deadpool is resistant to any kind of telepathy as far as I remeber.

I appreciate that. Yes, but Deadpool is...well...Deadpool. It would take a miracle for him to fight seriously.

Deadpool is a extremely strong h2h combatant if you ask me.

#26 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

@Illuminatus said:

@god_spawn said:

@Illuminatus said:

@god_spawn said:

Gambit.

Does he even count as a street leveler anymore?

I don't see why not. If people can still call Wolverine street level, then Gambit can be too. If it is full powered Gambit, then no.

M'kay. Well, he is resistant to telepathy. And he's agile to boot.

And he generally prefers distance which eliminates X's main advantage of h2h. Also the explosions have an area effect and Gambit tends to throw multiple at once, X is gonna be hard pressed to dodge or get caught eventually which sets Remy up. And speaking of his agility, Gambit is agile and fast enough to keep that distance. If he goes h2h against X, then Gambit will be in trouble.

Would Daken and his pheromones be considered street level? Or would Daken be useless against X?
#27 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio
@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus said:

@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus said:

@Stronger said:

@Illuminatus: Black Panther hasnt got any chance at all,believe me.He isnt in any way better than Wolverine and his fighting skills arent superior to Mr Xs

As for Moon Knight,he cannot even defeat Daredevil and you think he can keep up with Mr X?

Even if he is completely psychotic and Mr X cannot read his mind,he can just beat him to death because he is a lot better fighter.

Yeah, like I said, street levelers aren't characters I have extensive knowledge about. I was just tossing ideas out there, and I was happy to be proven wrong. After all, it would only serve to increase my knowledge of them. Do any street levelers even have an inherent defense against telepathy?

I am happy to see some people are thinking that way.You are a really positive person.

Deadpool is resistant to any kind of telepathy as far as I remeber.

I appreciate that. Yes, but Deadpool is...well...Deadpool. It would take a miracle for him to fight seriously.

Deadpool is a extremely strong h2h combatant if you ask me.

The potential is definitely there for Deadpool to be one of the top H2h fighters, but if he's in character against X, he most likely wouldn't take the fight seriously. But then again, if you gave Deadpool his katanas and a reason/the will to be serious, he could maybe take X.
#28 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

  1. Deadpool
  2. Black Canary
  3. Psylocke (if she's street level)

Deadpool is getting wrecked.His fighting skills are nowhere near Mister Xs

Same goes for Black Canary.

Psylocke can win but it wont be easy.

@mextli: I think Fantomex is street leveler.

As for Gambit,I think he cant block mind reading.

#29 Posted by jashro44 (25283 posts) - - Show Bio

spider-man and iron fist.

#30 Posted by God_Spawn (38293 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus: Daken and pheromones should beat X.

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#31 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger said:

@ReVamp said:

  1. Deadpool
  2. Black Canary
  3. Psylocke (if she's street level)

Deadpool is getting wrecked.His fighting skills are nowhere near Mister Xs

Same goes for Black Canary.

Psylocke can win but it wont be easy.

  1. Deadpool won't get his mind read. By the time Mister X will realize this, with his healing factor, then it might be too late.
  2. She'll do exactly what Songbird did.
  3. Mindrape. Its not even fair.
#32 Posted by Renny (507 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambit does have tp resistance

#33 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp: 1:Deadpool isnt as good fighter as Mister X,thats a fact.Mister X will beat him like he did to Wolverine.

2:Songbird lost to Mr X if I remember correctly.

3;Psylocke isnt street level.@Illuminatus: Even if Deadpool was serious he wouldnt defeat X.

@Renny said:

Gambit does have tp resistance

If you can prove it then,I am with you.

#34 Posted by ReVamp (22798 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger said:

@ReVamp: 1:Deadpool isnt as good fighter as Mister X,thats a fact.Mister X will beat him like he did to Wolverine.

2:Songbird lost to Mr X if I remember correctly.

3;Psylocke isnt street level.@Illuminatus: Even if Deadpool was serious he wouldnt defeat X.

@Renny said:

Gambit does have tp resistance

If you can prove it then,I am with you.

  1. Yes, but how is Mr. X going to take him out?
  2. No. Though to be fair she was with BWidow. The point is that they fought, and then when Songbird got sick of him she made that huge ass scream and X went down.
  3. Now you say that? >__>
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#36 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantomex

Venom

Psylocke

#37 Posted by Morpheus_ (29696 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hohenheim_of_light said:

Shiva or Batgirl could probably have a fairly even fight with him.

If Shiva's showings against Archer Braun are anything to go by, X would kill her in 5 seconds.
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#38 Posted by Dex_Starr (4754 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@Hohenheim_of_light said:

Shiva or Batgirl could probably have a fairly even fight with him.

If Shiva's showings against Archer Braun are anything to go by, X would kill her in 5 seconds.

Didn't he have the exact same abilities that X did?

#39 Posted by Morpheus_ (29696 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hohenheim_of_light said:

@Morpheus_ said:

@Hohenheim_of_light said:

Shiva or Batgirl could probably have a fairly even fight with him.

If Shiva's showings against Archer Braun are anything to go by, X would kill her in 5 seconds.

Didn't he have the exact same abilities that X did?

But no skill.
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#40 Posted by progenitor (7533 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable.

#41 Posted by Vance Astro (91403 posts) - - Show Bio
@Illuminatus said:
@Vance Astro said:
@Illuminatus said:
Reading your arguments in the BP vs. Shang Chi thread..
BP would probably break Shang Chi off by I think  X is more skilled than him.
Hurm. Well, lesson learned, I suppose.   Thanks for being civil about it.
yup.
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#42 Edited by Dex_Starr (4754 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

I'd like to agree since it technically already happened but alot of people say that Thunderbolts was bogus.

#43 Posted by SlimJ87D (10695 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hohenheim_of_light: I don't think it's bogus because Iron Fist was using a style where he would throw his strikes completely by muscle memory. Iron Fist was not aware of what strikes he would throw, he just did them and that rendered Mister X's powers mute.

I think it's believable that Iron Fist completely practiced this style to be so unpredictable to even himself. Also, quicksilver tagged Mister X, and Iron Fist with his chi could perform a feat similar if needed. And his his limbs are Iron Hard, Mister X's swords would be shattered to pieces.

#44 Posted by Blacktimus (159 posts) - - Show Bio

These are my choices for who could win against him:

1. Katana

2. Karnak

3. Kitty Pryde

I know all their names start with a K, don't judge me.

#45 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13122 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D@Hohenheim_of_light: You guys wouldn't happen to have those scans of the Mister X and Iron Fist fight, would y'all?
#46 Posted by SlimJ87D (10695 posts) - - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

@SlimJ87D: @Hohenheim_of_light: You guys wouldn't happen to have those scans of the Mister X and Iron Fist fight, would y'all?

He was ambushed by all the Tunderbolts and was kicking a lot of ass. But it shows that Ku'n Lun practices ways to fight against telepaths so they have ideas on how to fight a telepath.

#47 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13122 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D: Man, Rand is a BEAST.
#48 Posted by SlimJ87D (10695 posts) - - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch: He is, he's a better written Karate Kid. No exaggerated feats.

#49 Posted by Fetts (4531 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke 
Boba Fett 
Jango Fett 
Albert Wesker  
Elder Predator 
Snake-Eyes 
Storm Shadow

#50 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13122 posts) - - Show Bio
@SlimJ87D said:

@texasdeathmatch: He is, he's a better written Karate Kid. No exaggerated feats.

Totally. I just finished reading the Immortal Iron Fist Omnibus, so I'm a big fan now.