@DocJude said:
"@Buckshot: man, nobody cares about Midnighter's ringer ass. He's A WALKING TALKING PLOT DEVICE. Neither is he "street level". Go somewhere else and start a "nobody with a head can't get it knocked off by Midnighter!" thread. This isn't the place... "
The man asked a question. How would Midnigher beat DD. I just answered and supported my statement. By knocking his head off. You obviously care to some degree otherwise you would have just ignored me. I wish you had.
@Wyldsong:
My mistake, I meant to say Mr. X (I figure you could put that together though), dunno why Tasky was on the brain. The sentence should read "Midnighter does not work like Mr. X." Danny being able to trick a telepath is not impressive when he's not fighting a telepath. You can say telepathy is more intimate if you want, but it doesn't make it better than Midnighter's combat computer. It actually makes it worse in this case because a telepath is limited by knowing only what his enemy knows. Midnighter knows more than that. it may be more "intimate" but it's limited in scope. Maybe it's too close to Danny's brain to see beyond it like a combat computer can. Real talk, do you actually think something that knows what you're going to do before you decide to do it is inferior to something that knows what you're going to do only as you decide to do it?
Why is what I said downplaying the character? Is my statement incorrect? You have not shown Iron Fist to match Midnighter physically without chi. The chi powers are impressive but that's the area I said Iron Fist had the advantage anyway. You have not shown his tactical ability to be on the level of someone that can accurately predict the moves of a million combatants at once. You have also failed to show Iron Fist posessing healing ability that matches Midnighter's. I don't see what I said that was wrong. The only thing that might have been was speed in the physical department, but iron Fist being on Midnighter speed level is offset by the combat computer which would give midnighter an added advantage when it comes to out-reacting his opponent. "Puff up" may have been the wrong term, how about "restore to the place you think he deserves". I would actually like an answer to this. How was what I was saying inaccurate? In terms of the physical, has Iron Fist consistently shown to be able to heal "fatal" attacks? Has he consistently shown the ability to hurt 80 tonners and up without his fist? Has he shown the level of durability that Midnighter has? If i have an inaccurate view of Iron Fist I'd like to know, but I don't think he matches up to Midnighter physically.
You don't need Supes, but DD has not displayed the durability, speed or strength to overcome Midnighter at this point and he has not displayed the ability to either withstand his neck being broken off (since he has shown he can still take damage) or fight without it. I've continued this because I want not to agree with you, but to understand your justification for your views because it simply doesn't make sense to me that you're basing your stance off of something that hasn't been proven when examples of other characters with the same healing factor don't support it. For me to agree to disagree I have to understand your reasoning and I don't. You said we understand each other's stances, but I don't get yours.
We can be done if you want, but I'd appreciate if you answered my questions about Iron Fist (including the Mr.X one) and why you're more comfortable basing your opinion of DD's abilities on things that haven't been shown than what would be in line with the majority of characters (even many supernatural ones) with a similar healing ability. If you want to be really nice, you could make an Iron Fist/Midnighter thread where we can continue to discuss their physical abilities instead of doing it here, but I'll leave that up to you.
@grimlock:
Contextual, not linear, I like that.
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