These are all at their best.
What Star wars characters can beat these 3?
But I don't think of anyone that's ever been stronger than Luke.
I'm after this book: I, Jedi. This is from...
During the Battle of Yuuzhan'tar Luke was described as a maelstrom of Force energy, against which there was no shelter. So calm and focused was he that his actions were not interrupted by any thought. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality. Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong. The Solo twins were astounded seeing their uncle in such a state.
Obi Wan, yes I could see him going good against Mace, possible Yoda.
"Nobody said:How do you figure?"Starkiller maybe"
No, all these will eradicate him with ease."
"Palpatine guy from the books."Not even close. GM Luke would devastate him.
Midnightist said:
"Obi Wan, Darth Vader and General Grievous"Nope, GM Luke could take them all on, Yoda could beat any of them one one one and so could Mace.
Psysis said:
"Vader, Kenobi, Palpatine"Gm Luke destroys Palpatine, Yoda stomps Vader, and Mace dominates Kenobi.
"oldmagic said:"Palpatine guy from the books."Not even close. GM Luke would devastate him.
Midnightist said:"Obi Wan, Darth Vader and General Grievous"Nope, GM Luke could take them all on, Yoda could beat any of them one one one and so could Mace.
Psysis said:"Vader, Kenobi, Palpatine"Gm Luke destroys Palpatine, Yoda stomps Vader, and Mace dominates Kenobi."
Then Who?
Just so you know, Obi is one of the few people able to best Mace in a saber battle, the only ones I know of are Obi and Yoda.
"Exar Kun....Vader if he reached his full potential......those are the only ones I can think of...!"This is in their life, when they have been at their best. Same with Obi, because he could have became a grandmaster like Yoda, if he could train full out.
"GodOfDoom said:"Darth Nihilus, Bane, Reven, Sion, maybe a Yuuzhan Vong or two(maybe not)
and of course Naga Shadow"
I dont think any of these could take Luke at full power"
the only i think that has a chance at Luke at full power is Nihilus.
also Naga in a highly advanced plan that will most likly not work.
"Lunacyde said:King Saturn said:"GodOfDoom said:"Darth Nihilus, Bane, Reven, Sion, maybe a Yuuzhan Vong or two(maybe not)
and of course Naga Shadow"
I dont think any of these could take Luke at full power"
the only i think that has a chance at Luke at full power is Nihilus.
also Naga in a highly advanced plan that will most likly not work."
"How about Darth Horrowitz ?Seriously.... Revan has been called the Heart of the Force noe if that doesnt make you insanely powerful than Idk what does, not to mention the fact that a majority of the old republic is way stronger than most from the new republic into the return of the jedi era
LOL jk jk
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"King Saturn said:Buddy... I just made up Darth Horrowitz.... I have no clue who could take them down"How about Darth Horrowitz ?Seriously.... Revan has been called the Heart of the Force noe if that doesnt make you insanely powerful than Idk what does, not to mention the fact that a majority of the old republic is way stronger than most from the new republic into the return of the jedi era"
LOL jk jk
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"GodOfDoom said:"Lunacyde said:King Saturn said:"GodOfDoom said:"Darth Nihilus, Bane, Reven, Sion, maybe a Yuuzhan Vong or two(maybe not)
and of course Naga Shadow"
I dont think any of these could take Luke at full power"
the only i think that has a chance at Luke at full power is Nihilus.
also Naga in a highly advanced plan that will most likly not work.""How about Darth Horrowitz ?Seriously.... Revan has been called the Heart of the Force noe if that doesnt make you insanely powerful than Idk what does, not to mention the fact that a majority of the old republic is way stronger than most from the new republic into the return of the jedi era"
LOL jk jk
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you know, you didn't have to make me look like a jack@$$.
all you had to say was,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hey you left out Reven. but no, you just haaaaaaaaaaad to point out that i forgot about him for a second.
thank you.
i really did forget about Reven when i posted that. i noticed afterwards but i was to lazy to correct myself. luckily someone did it for me.
"Nothing i have read about Revan leads me to believe Exar Kun couldnt beat em."Revan is either equally or more powerful than the exile, the exile defeated Nihilius, Sion and Darth Traya. Revan himself defeated Malak fueled by the starforge and was defined by Darth Traya as the Heart Of the Force
I dont know that mutch about the Star Wars novles and comic. But I thing Starkiller (Galen Marek) is the best beat. in the Star Wars Force Unleashed he is so powerfull he can rip stardestroyers from the sky and slam them to the ground. Here are some trailers so you can see Starkiller in action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuv7hjUtbE&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky18aQ_d360
"Malak was insignificant ......and ur who bea who is getting confusing....I don'nt know....Exar Kun was extremely powerful....and he was from a generation of more powerful Sith Lords."regular old malak yess, but powered by the starforce no no he was extremely powerful. His generation was Marka Ragnos, Yes but Nihilius as well as Sion are in the revan generation and are equally powerful so I dont think thats really a determining factor
"Lunacyde said:"Malak was insignificant ......and ur who bea who is getting confusing....I don'nt know....Exar Kun was extremely powerful....and he was from a generation of more powerful Sith Lords."regular old malak yess, but powered by the starforce no no he was extremely powerful. His generation was Marka Ragnos, Yes but Nihilius as well as Sion are in the revan generation and are equally powerful so I dont think thats really a determining factor"
Fay + Obi Wan + Anakin
This is my bed against Yoda, Mace and Luke. Obi Wan and Anakin are like the team-up of potential with experience, power with wisdom, and they are use to work together. They know each other fighting methods, and they proved before to be the best team - when working in synchronized.
Fay would be a greatest contribution to any team. She's so connected to the force that she doesn't even get hold! She was one of the oldest Jedi and she was still young. - for ages!
She doesn't fight with a lightsaber, and she's not very aggressive, however she have the ability to share with her team mates her power - which is considerable, and bigger than Obi-Wan. And she can pull away the thoughts from a person making them unconscious. - She did it to the Empress, but I don't think it would work on any of these three... even so she rocks!
Hmmm....one needs to back up statements. I think there's a fair few who can beat Yoda and Mace for sure. Recent descriptions of GM Luke makes it difficult to assess who in the Universe can beat him easily (before the Vong, I can list quite a number - now it's different).
I can't imagine anyone saying Obi-Wan can actually take on any of the Sith Lords or Yoda/Mace. C'mon! Look at the movies. He defeated Maul by a stroke of luck, got trounced by Dooku in both AotC and RotS. Yoda stated too that he was no match for Sidious. The SW Universe keeps describing the Jedi Council of that era as having powerful members but I would agree only for Yoda and Mace. Everyone else seems to get killed mighty quick by Sidious. General Grievious in the Clone Wars also kicks every Jedi butt, but I can see the redeeming point for Obi Wan seeing as he did defeat Grevious. That puts him a rank higher than all the other Jedi save Mace and Yoda. And let's face it, I personally found his 'victory' over Anakin to be anti-climactic. He was at the losing end for much of the battle.
Yoda and Mace are certainly very powerful, but this is curbed by their inability to defect Sidious. Yoda also wasn't able to clearly defeat Dooku in AotC. Yet Dooku got busted by Anakin.
From all accounts though, however Sidious may be, we don't see much of his power except seen through his deception, lightsaber and force lightning. Darth Vader's powers are now seemingly dminished by new books/comics that are released. His ability to use the Force was reduced due to his cybernetic state. He was greviously injured by 8 Jedi in the SW: Purge comic. He got beaten by Luke Skywalker, who in turn got his a** handed to him by Palpatine. Vader just doesn't seem to realise his much touted potential ever. To have his lightsaber pulled away by the Force Unleashed baby protagonist reinforces that point too.
Compare this against other Dark Lords of the past in SW canon:
Exar Kun - first dual bladed lightsaber duelist (and with a shorter hilt). Used Sith alchemy, holocrons and amulets, temples to focus Dark Side powers. Caused the destruction of Ossus. Able to draw energy from other lifeforces. Commanded an entire army of Force sensitive Massassi warriors. Held the Republic senate hostage (like Sidious). Able to preserve his spirit for millenia from sacrifices. Corrupted many other Jedi to the Dark Side. Communed with ancient Dark Lords of the Sith. Instigated the Great Sith War. Lasted so long as to pose a threat to Luke Skywalker. But it's hard to justify he is from 'a generation of more powerful Sith Lords', unless you are also counting Revan. Revan was only 40 years after Exar Kun. You can't mean Naga Sadow, or Marka Ragnos considering they are over 1000 years before Exar Kun.
Revan - greatest Force user to combine Dark and Light Side powers. May have chosen to 'fall' in order to save the galaxy. Recognised and controlled the use of the Star Forge. From all accounts, a very powerful Force user. Described as the 'Heart of the Force'. Great leader and brilliant tactician and strategist. Single-handed defeated many Sith and Jedi, as well as Mandalore the Ultimate. Instrumental in soundly defeating the Mandalorian invasion, and the combined Jedi/Republic forces in the first Jedi Civil War. Corrupted even more Jedi than Exar Kun, or any other Sith Lords hence. Left a legacy for Darth Bane to follow in the 'reign of two' philosophy, which ultimately had an indirect effect on the events of RotS.
To defeat Yoda, Mace: I would argue Exar Kun, Revan, Tulak Hord (the KOTOR II game did suggest current dueling is like playing with toys relative to his ancient lightsaber skills) maybe Bane, Nihilus (ability to consume whole planets and Jedi at one go is astounding), Arca (through command of the Force maybe), maybe Vodo (his stick fighting is quite impressive).
GM Luke - can't really say though I'm inclined to say Revan, and perhaps the more ancient Dark Lords proficient in lightsaber dueling and great Force powers.
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