Wesley Gibson & Fox VS Neo & Trinity

Rules:

• Both Teams Get An Equal Amount of Assorted Guns & Ammo
• Wanted Team Gets Assorted Knives & A Steel Baseball Bat
• Matrix Team Gets Swords
• All Matrix Powers Are On, But It's In A Netural Universe
• Morals On/No Knowledge/In Character
• Starting Distance: 50 Yards Apart
• Inside Fort Knox
• Pre Death Neo Powers(But He Can Use All 3 Movies For Skill Feats)
• Trinity Gets All 3 Movies
• Live Action Feats Only

Neo solos.

@jimmy_rustler: With only pre death Powers?

Gibson solos.

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Matrix team, trinity probably gets killed though.

Wesley shoots him in the face.

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Neo dodges easily, Trinity probably gets shot. Neo might run out of ammo since he can't control bullets but he could use his punches if he wanted.

Team 1.

I want someone to CAV this(not me), but someone.

Yup. Even his stats from before "His glorious resurrection" are enough for him to win this. I don't see how the bullet-curving trick would even be a problem for Neo considering that he was confirmed, By Trinity, to move and dodge bullets just like the Agents.

Watch this whole scene for the context and/or proof:

So, basically, neither Wes or Fox would ever hit Neo unless they luck up and catch him completely off-guard. And in H2H, there is no discussion...like at all; either Neo or Trinity could solo in that department. Hell, stating that Pre-death Neo has the stats to solo the entire Fraternity really isn't that unfounded lol

Yeah, no. Wesley would never hit him..

neo doesn't need to dodge bullets after first film, he can just make them stop. Trinity just makes this a stomp

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@jimmy_rustler: Wesley soloed a warehouse of bullettimers. He can land hits in Neo. Neo has no idea the bullets can curve, he'd be taken by surprise.

Rules:

• Both Teams Get An Equal Amount of Assorted Guns & Ammo
• Wanted Team Gets Assorted Knives & A Steel Baseball Bat
• Matrix Team Gets Swords
• All Matrix Powers Are On, But It's In A Netural Universe
• Morals On/No Knowledge/In Character
• Starting Distance: 50 Yards Apart
• Inside Fort Knox
• /////Pre Death//// Neo Powers(But He Can Use All 3 Movies For Skill Feats)
• Trinity Gets All 3 Movies

@jimmy_rustler:

ok. you threw me off for a second when using all 3 movies for feats but only use neo from before he is "the one" or "the anomaly"(whichever). He was capable of everything he did before death, it just took his understanding/belief of what was possible for him. regardless, the matrix team wins, BEFORE his "death" he could see bullets and react to them, sure the wanted team are ridiculous shots but they haven't the means of bullet dodging like Neo can. and at 50 yards he will blitz them for the K.O

Team Matrix. They're faster and more skilled

Oh most definitely with those feats lol

Agreed.

No this is just about live action.

I'm going with team Matrix.

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Team Matrix.

Team Wanted. Pre-death Neo is unimpressive. He dodged 3 bullets with high difficulty, while Wesley can react to a curved bullet in mid flight with enough accuracy and speed to stop it with another bullet.

Besides the Fraternity warehouse feat for Wesley is legitimate. All of the Fraternity's assassins have access to the adrenaline rush ability, which makes them all at least, low tier bullet timers.

Good battle, Lukehero. I'll have to come back to this.

@lucano: Well actually it was his Dad that was blocking bullets with other bullets, because he didn't want to kill Wesley. I don't remember Wesley actually doing that.

@ordinaryalan: Thanx

This.

That movie could have been AMAZING... instead we get a weak Angelina Jolie vehicle... That movie could have been called anything else given how little it had in common with the original, epic source material.

@lucano:

Team Wanted. Pre-death Neo is unimpressive.

Yet his stats and feats are still more impressive than anything that anyone in Wanted did save for Mr. X leaping from one skyscraper to another and the bullet-curving trick.

He dodged 3 bullets (???) with high difficulty,

Count much? He dodged like 6 or seven bullets before his shoulder was grazed. Watch the clip that I have provided and also listen; every time you hear the trigger being pulled, Neo is dodging a bullet. Plus, considering how fast he was moving (refer to the Agent that dodged Neo's gunfire as a benchmark), Wesley would never hit him.

while Wesley can react to a curved bullet in mid flight with enough accuracy and speed to stop it with another bullet.

Lukehero already debunked this so I see no reason to add anything.

Besides the Fraternity warehouse feat for Wesley is legitimate.

Killing stiff, feat-less fodder is legit now? How long has that been the case? I don't think I got that memo..

All of the Fraternity's assassins have access to the adrenaline rush ability, which makes them all at least, low tier bullet timers.

...And the burden of proof is on you. Wesley sprinting through a warehouse shooting targets (most of which were standing in place out in the open) isn't in any way "legit" when going up against someone like Neo. Plus that whole assumption that "every" member of the Fraternity having the ability to dodge bullets just bc they all possess the ability to control their adrenaline (or however it works) is a no limits fallacy at best. I wonder how all of them managed to forget this "bullet-timing" ability of theirs while Wesley was running full speed ahead, shooting them in the face casually. They also seemed to forget in that penultimate scene where Fox bullet-curve head-shotted everyone. Where was this great "bullet-time" reaction then? ...C'mon bruh..

58 seconds, Wesley shoots a bullet.

@jimmy_rustler: Well I guess he did. @allstarsuperman: Impressive. But, can I nitpick and say that bullet was aimed for Fox not him?

@lukehero: I'd say this is even more impressive. He doesn't even draw his gun until the bullet is already within a couple feet of its target. That reaction/combat speed is incredible.

@allstarsuperman: I really can't tell if he already had put his gun back up or not, but he doesn't shoot until the bullet is a couple of feet from Fox. Which makes this feet basically impossible. Pretty impressive.

@jimmy_rustler: Watch both movies again please.

I have them and I watch both regularly because I love both movies. Neo DID NOT dodged 6 to 7 bullets it was 3 and the fourth one hit his leg.

Wesley managed to stop bullets while in mid flight, just a few feet away from the targets, some of them curved and with civilians running around. Nothing to debunk, it is what you saw in the movie.

@lucano: I'm not going to argue with you when the proof is right in the clip that I posted above. Neo dodged like 6 or 7 bullets before he was grazed in his shoulder, not his leg. And talk to Lukehero about the what 'he' debunked, not me.

@jimmy_rustler: You mentioned it, not him.

@lucano: He replied to you first and he debunked your claim so you should be addressing him regarding that particular debate, not me..

I'm still failing to see being able to block bullets with bullets constitutes as a win for team Wanted but whatevs.

@jimmy_rustler: He debunked nothing, Wesley clearly stopped a bullet a few feet away from Fox's head.

Dodging bullets is good, being able to react with enough precission to stop a bullet with an equally small object is crazy, leagues above just dodging.

@lucano: Stopping bullets with bullets can't really be compared to dodging bullets with your body. They're just different abilities altogether. So, wait, are you implying that Wes can dodge bullets just like Neo can? Bc that kinda implication is just gonna open up another can of worms..

@jimmy_rustler: What I am saying is that it is a reflex showing that might be above dodging bullets if you look at it objectively.

Predicting the bullet's path, aiming based on it and shooting fast enough to deflect it with another bullet. It is a crazy feat,not only in reflexes, but aiming and processing times too.

Dodging bullets I can ALMOST get jiggy with. Bullets moving faster than your muscles can contract makes it impossible even on a physics level but whatever: apply some fuzzy logic

Shooting another bullet out of the air is just stupid. Even if your hands are fast enough: YOUR BULLET isn't any faster just cause YOU are faster. nahmean? If the bullet is two feet from it's target, you'd have to fire from one foot away for your bullet to beat the first bullet.

In the timeframe SHOWN IN THE CLIP that fraction of a second between the two gunshots is enough time for the bullet to travel 10 train car lengths. She skull woulda been exposed to the air by the time Wesley popped off. Even if he could react to the first gunshot fast enough to fire before she had her head split: the second bullet cannot catch the first.