wendigo is not getting ko'ed with one or two punches and this wendigo has gone toe to toe with an enraged hulk without a clear winner numerous times.
also no namor gets no water he doesnt drag him into the ocean and fights underwater this is the woods so you guys can all stop trying to give him some power ups.
" If there is no water nearby then Namor is in trouble. "
Depends on how long the fight goes on for. Assuming both start the fight at full power, then Namor should have no trouble whatsoever."
As the the thread maker does not say that Namor is still dripping wet and the fight occurs in the Canadian Woods, by common sense Namor won't be Class 100 as he is not in water of just emerged from water. Within a few minutes of drying off, his strength has already dropped to around the 85 tonne mark and within 1 hour he will have dropped to 40 tonnes. Yes Namor is faster reacting and more agile than Wendigo and has the benefit of being smarter and being able to fly but Wendigo has faught an enraged hulk before for several hours. He is durable enough to take dozens of blows from an enraged hulk and keep going (partially thanks to his healing factor). His strength is around 100 tonnes, he has superhuamn endurance (he won't tire before the dehydrating Namor) and his claws can cut in to the Hulk - so that can certainly cut in to Namor.
There are different hosts but the curse and the powers it grants are basically the same - Vast superhuman strength, endurance and durability. A regenerative healing factor, enhanced senses and claws.
Yeah ok and when he picks him up, and carries him off with his somewhat lacking acceleration and limited top speed, Wendigo won't have chance to punch him or gut him with his claws. Yeah, ok. Anyway Vance, to do a BFR would mean Namor fighting smartly and playing to his strengths....but wouldn't that be cowardly as he won't close with Wendigo and beat him in a stright fist fight........
There are different hosts but the curse and the powers it grants are basically the same - Vast superhuman strength, endurance and durability. A regenerative healing factor, enhanced senses and claws. "
right, but some have fought tougher opponents and some have gone down to weaker.
Take for example the original, He was able to give a good fight to Sasquatch and Hulk, Than another one was able to get killed by Sabretooth.
Yeah ok and when he picks him up, and carries him off with his somewhat lacking acceleration and limited top speed, Wendigo won't have chance to punch him or gut him with his claws.Yeah, ok.Anyway Vance, to do a BFR would mean Namor fighting smartly and playing to his strengths....but wouldn't that be cowardly as he won't close with Wendigo and beat him in a stright fist fight........ "
He doesn't have to carry him.Wendigo weighs way less than Namor's max lifting weight.He could throw him and BFR him.
Yeah ok and when he picks him up, and carries him off with his somewhat lacking acceleration and limited top speed, Wendigo won't have chance to punch him or gut him with his claws.Yeah, ok.Anyway Vance, to do a BFR would mean Namor fighting smartly and playing to his strengths....but wouldn't that be cowardly as he won't close with Wendigo and beat him in a stright fist fight........ "
He doesn't have to carry him.Wendigo weighs way less than Namor's max lifting weight.He could throw him and BFR him."
That's a new one. I don't consider that a BFR. I don't think Namor would get the chance anyhow. The Hulk never did it despite the fact that the Hulk has done that move to many opponents including the Rhino and the Juggernaut amongst others. The Wendigo would be on Namor all the time, battering at him and clawing him. Since the Wendigo has shown almost casual diregard to the blows of an enraged Hulk, i don't see Namor getting free or Wendigo being ko'ed to allow him to do the move. Throwing the Wendigo away won't stop him except for the short time it takes for him to get back and then the battles on again, with a weakening namor. Fish sticks anyone ?
Yeah ok and when he picks him up, and carries him off with his somewhat lacking acceleration and limited top speed, Wendigo won't have chance to punch him or gut him with his claws.Yeah, ok.Anyway Vance, to do a BFR would mean Namor fighting smartly and playing to his strengths....but wouldn't that be cowardly as he won't close with Wendigo and beat him in a stright fist fight........ "
He doesn't have to carry him.Wendigo weighs way less than Namor's max lifting weight.He could throw him and BFR him."
That's a new one.I don't consider that a BFR. I don't think Namor would get the chance anyhow.The Hulk never did it despite the fact that the Hulk has done that move to many opponents including the Rhino and the Juggernaut amongst others.The Wendigo would be on Namor all the time, battering at him and clawing him. Since the Wendigo has shown almost casual diregard to the blows of an enraged Hulk, i don't see Namor getting free or Wendigo being ko'ed to allow him to do the move.Throwing the Wendigo away won't stop him except for the short time it takes for him to get back and then the battles on again, with a weakening namor.Fish sticks anyone ? "
Namor is faster than Hulk,Wendigo,Rhino and Juggernaut..and none of them can fly.Also those fights drag out for the plot.
Yeah ok and when he picks him up, and carries him off with his somewhat lacking acceleration and limited top speed, Wendigo won't have chance to punch him or gut him with his claws.Yeah, ok.Anyway Vance, to do a BFR would mean Namor fighting smartly and playing to his strengths....but wouldn't that be cowardly as he won't close with Wendigo and beat him in a stright fist fight........ "
He doesn't have to carry him.Wendigo weighs way less than Namor's max lifting weight.He could throw him and BFR him."
That's a new one.I don't consider that a BFR. I don't think Namor would get the chance anyhow.The Hulk never did it despite the fact that the Hulk has done that move to many opponents including the Rhino and the Juggernaut amongst others.The Wendigo would be on Namor all the time, battering at him and clawing him. Since the Wendigo has shown almost casual diregard to the blows of an enraged Hulk, i don't see Namor getting free or Wendigo being ko'ed to allow him to do the move.Throwing the Wendigo away won't stop him except for the short time it takes for him to get back and then the battles on again, with a weakening namor.Fish sticks anyone ? "
Namor is faster than Hulk,Wendigo,Rhino and Juggernaut..and none of them can fly.Also those fights drag out for the plot."
Yeah Iguess dragging them out must be poor writing....... Yes Namor is faster and do you know what, his speed dimishes the longer he is out of water as well. So we're back to flying now are we ? The throwing tactic not going so good huh. Again, Namor lacks the acceleration and flight speed to really make that work against an opponent at least as strong as himself who also happens to has a much larger body frame and thus more reach and leverage.
Yeah Iguess dragging them out must be poor writing.......Yes Namor is faster and do you know what, his speed dimishes the longer he is out of water as well.So we're back to flying now are we ?The throwing tactic not going so good huh.Again, Namor lacks the acceleration and flight speed to really make that work against an opponent at least as strong as himself who also happens to has a much larger body frame and thus more reach and leverage. "
I didn't say it was poor writing.My point was they fight a certain way so that the fights go on longer.Shot for shot.No real thought goes into the win. His speed didn't seem to diminish all the fast against Venom. Wendigo weighs a ton at the most..probably not even.Namor could easily launch him way out of reach. Namor doesn't need acceleration he can gain speed.Wendigo can't fly so there's nothing he can do to stop him from reaching max..swooping in and launching him.
Yeah Iguess dragging them out must be poor writing.......Yes Namor is faster and do you know what, his speed dimishes the longer he is out of water as well.So we're back to flying now are we ?The throwing tactic not going so good huh.Again, Namor lacks the acceleration and flight speed to really make that work against an opponent at least as strong as himself who also happens to has a much larger body frame and thus more reach and leverage. "
I didn't say it was poor writing.My point was they fight a certain way so that the fights go on longer.Shot for shot.No real thought goes into the win.His speed didn't seem to diminish all the fast against Venom.Wendigo weighs a ton at the most..probably not even.Namor could easily launch him way out of reach.Namor doesn't need acceleration he can gain speed.Wendigo can't fly so there's nothing he can do to stop him from reaching max..swooping in and launching him."
But that appears to be your implication - bad writing. The fight goes on because both have massive durability, massive strength, massive endurance and healing fcators. Its a sluggathon. You notive his strength drop off faster because its high most significantly superhuman characteristic. His endurance and speed also drop. Wendigo weight around 3/4 of a tonne. So you saying that Namor flys off, gaining speed and then swoops back in to snatch up Wendigo before carrying him so distance and then launching him ? So let's see, Namor has certainly shown the ability to fly at least at 400 mph (despite what the handbooks say) but this is a straight line flight speed, not zig zagging. If he's flying in to a forrest of trees (remember the setting0 he certainly will need to fly a lot slower to get down to ground level to snatch up Wendigo. So let's say he's booking at 100 mph. And then he must carry him up above the tree canopy to launch him. He will slow down when he collides with Wendigo fractionally. IMO Wendigo has time to gran Namor or claw him - probably both before he is flung.
Anyway Vance, wouldn't this be a cowardly tactic as Namor is a proud warrior.......
Yeah Iguess dragging them out must be poor writing.......Yes Namor is faster and do you know what, his speed dimishes the longer he is out of water as well.So we're back to flying now are we ?The throwing tactic not going so good huh.Again, Namor lacks the acceleration and flight speed to really make that work against an opponent at least as strong as himself who also happens to has a much larger body frame and thus more reach and leverage. "
I didn't say it was poor writing.My point was they fight a certain way so that the fights go on longer.Shot for shot.No real thought goes into the win.His speed didn't seem to diminish all the fast against Venom.Wendigo weighs a ton at the most..probably not even.Namor could easily launch him way out of reach.Namor doesn't need acceleration he can gain speed.Wendigo can't fly so there's nothing he can do to stop him from reaching max..swooping in and launching him."
But that appears to be your implication - bad writing.The fight goes on because both have massive durability, massive strength, massive endurance and healing fcators.Its a sluggathon.You notive his strength drop off faster because its high most significantly superhuman characteristic.His endurance and speed also drop.Wendigo weight around 3/4 of a tonne.So you saying that Namor flys off, gaining speed and then swoops back in to snatch up Wendigo before carrying him so distance and then launching him ?So let's see, Namor has certainly shown the ability to fly at least at 400 mph (despite what the handbooks say) but this is a straight line flight speed, not zig zagging.If he's flying in to a forrest of trees (remember the setting0 he certainly will need to fly a lot slower to get down to ground level to snatch up Wendigo.So let's say he's booking at 100 mph. And then he must carry him up above the tree canopy to launch him.He will slow down when he collides with Wendigo fractionally.IMO Wendigo has time to gran Namor or claw him - probably both before he is flung.Anyway Vance, wouldn't this be a cowardly tactic as Namor is a proud warrior....... "
No..it wouldn't be a cowardly tactic...remember when he launched Wolverine?He continued kicking his ass but for this battles sake...he doesn't have too.
First Namor blitzes and before Wendigo knows whats happening Namor already chucks the furball into the Great Lakes Then he beats the sh#t outta Wendigo Namor is the man! Imperious Rex!
Chucks a Tank 32,000 feet (six miles?) ...the Tank might be a Patton, gun is too large for a Bradley I say this tank weighs 40 tonnes Good feat and Wendigo weighs a lot less than 40 tonnes so yes Namor can BFR him
Durability. Remember the fight some of you fanboys consider cannon, Thor giving Superman the worst fight of his life. Well Namor also has Superman Durability, shurgs off Thor's hammer.
Speed: Blitzes the Mutant Samurai Sunfire
More blitz
Stomps the Hulk
Lifts a 1 ,850-tonne H class WW2 destroyer with ease
NAMOR AT MAX. For a brief second. Lifts a oil tanker, fully loaded ? 62,000 tonnes?
" If there is no water nearby then Namor is in trouble. "
Depends on how long the fight goes on for. Assuming both start the fight at full power, then Namor should have no trouble whatsoever."
As the the thread maker does not say that Namor is still dripping wet and the fight occurs in the Canadian Woods, by common sense Namor won't be Class 100 as he is not in water of just emerged from water.Within a few minutes of drying off, his strength has already dropped to around the 85 tonne mark and within 1 hour he will have dropped to 40 tonnes.Yes Namor is faster reacting and more agile than Wendigo and has the benefit of being smarter and being able to fly but Wendigo has faught an enraged hulk before for several hours. He is durable enough to take dozens of blows from an enraged hulk and keep going (partially thanks to his healing factor). His strength is around 100 tonnes, he has superhuamn endurance (he won't tire before the dehydrating Namor) and his claws can cut in to the Hulk - so that can certainly cut in to Namor. "
He doesn't have to be fresh out of the water to be at max strength. His maximum power will be sustained for awhile. And the lowest his strength will drop to is 85 tons. At the start of the fight, he'd be capable of lifting thousands of tons, which is more than enough strength to dispatch Wendigo in a few shots.
" If there is no water nearby then Namor is in trouble. "
Depends on how long the fight goes on for. Assuming both start the fight at full power, then Namor should have no trouble whatsoever."
As the the thread maker does not say that Namor is still dripping wet and the fight occurs in the Canadian Woods, by common sense Namor won't be Class 100 as he is not in water of just emerged from water.Within a few minutes of drying off, his strength has already dropped to around the 85 tonne mark and within 1 hour he will have dropped to 40 tonnes.Yes Namor is faster reacting and more agile than Wendigo and has the benefit of being smarter and being able to fly but Wendigo has faught an enraged hulk before for several hours. He is durable enough to take dozens of blows from an enraged hulk and keep going (partially thanks to his healing factor). His strength is around 100 tonnes, he has superhuamn endurance (he won't tire before the dehydrating Namor) and his claws can cut in to the Hulk - so that can certainly cut in to Namor. "
He doesn't have to be fresh out of the water to be at max strength. His maximum power will be sustained for awhile. And the lowest his strength will drop to is 40 tons. At the start of the fight, he'd be capable of lifting thousands of tons, which is more than enough strength to dispatch Wendigo in a few shots. "
" If there is no water nearby then Namor is in trouble. "
Depends on how long the fight goes on for. Assuming both start the fight at full power, then Namor should have no trouble whatsoever."
As the the thread maker does not say that Namor is still dripping wet and the fight occurs in the Canadian Woods, by common sense Namor won't be Class 100 as he is not in water of just emerged from water.Within a few minutes of drying off, his strength has already dropped to around the 85 tonne mark and within 1 hour he will have dropped to 40 tonnes.Yes Namor is faster reacting and more agile than Wendigo and has the benefit of being smarter and being able to fly but Wendigo has faught an enraged hulk before for several hours. He is durable enough to take dozens of blows from an enraged hulk and keep going (partially thanks to his healing factor). His strength is around 100 tonnes, he has superhuamn endurance (he won't tire before the dehydrating Namor) and his claws can cut in to the Hulk - so that can certainly cut in to Namor. "
He doesn't have to be fresh out of the water to be at max strength. His maximum power will be sustained for awhile. And the lowest his strength will drop to is 85 tons. At the start of the fight, he'd be capable of lifting thousands of tons, which is more than enough strength to dispatch Wendigo in a few shots."
"I edited my above post. Namor at his weakest is 85 tons."
Marvel have confirmed that in water or dripping wet, Namor is Class 100. When he has been out or water for a short time and dried out, he is around 85 tonnes. Within 1 hour, his strength has dropped to 40 tonnes.
" Marvel have confirmed that in water or dripping wet, Namor is Class 100. "
Marvel made a dogs dinner of their ranking system and you know it, their books get it wrong, their prints get it wrong, sooner or later they always get it wrong
Besides striking power has nothing to do with lifting power
but let's play it your way for now, you want to focus on lifting in animate objects Marvel Ranks every heavyweight at base 100 tonnes Despite the Fact that Thor, Herc, Namor and Hulk have lifted things many times over the 100 tonne mark
Hulk lifted a damn mountain for crying out loud
Namor is way above 100 under water, he lifted a H class WW2 destroyer with ease 1,850-tonnes IMO he also can lift a fully loaded Oil Tanker
Marvel made a dogs dinner of their ranking system and you know it, their books get it wrong, their prints get it wrong, sooner or later they always get it wrong
Marvel has many mistakes but overall their system at least has the benefit of saying who they believe is stronger than who. They are wrong in the amounts i.e. Colossus can lift 100 tonnes, when he performs feats that would require him to lift tens of thousands of tonnes of weight. However their ordering is more right than wrong.
Besides striking power has nothing to do with lifting powerbut let's play it your way for now, you want to focus on lifting in animate objects
Because with the basic premise for comics that lifting power i.e. the strength of your body, equates to punching power. I have told you before the most basic example of this is the Hulk. His strength increases when he gets angry. So you are honestly telling me that his punching power does not go up as his strength increases....the comics don't support your argument. His punches hit harder as his strength increases. That is why most comic book comapies use strength as a measurement factor and not punching power.
Marvel Ranks every heavyweight at base 100 tonnes
No they don't. Namor is only Class 100 in water / when wet. Ares is rated at 70 tonnes. Zeus was rated at 90 tonnes. Rhino is rated at 80 tonnes. There are many others.
Despite the Fact that Thor, Herc, Namor and Hulk have lifted things many times over the 100 tonne mark
Over 18 months before you even arrived on the Vine, I made this point here I have been saying the same point since I joined the Vine. What point does have to this argument ?
Hulk lifted a damn mountain for crying out loud Namor is way above 100 under water, he lifted a H class WW2 destroyer with ease1,850-tonnes IMO he also can lift a fully loaded Oil Tanker Either of these are far above the 100 tonne mark"
Again what point are you trying to make ? I have already said that he is Class 100 (capable of lifting above 100 tonnes) in water. Wendigo is around 100 tonnes on dry land - all the time. He can engage an enraged Hulk (wjo had been getting angry for at least an hour - so his strength bis really ramped up) on an almost equal footing. So what's your point because there does not seem to be one.
"First Namor blitzes and before Wendigo knows whats happening Namor already chucks the furball into the Great Lakes Then he beats the sh#t outta Wendigo Namor is the man! Imperious Rex!
Chucks a Tank 32,000 feet (six miles?) ...the Tank might be a Patton, gun is too large for a Bradley I say this tank weighs 40 tonnes Good feat and Wendigo weighs a lot less than 40 tonnes so yes Namor can BFR him Durability. Remember the fight some of you fanboys consider cannon, Thor giving Superman the worst fight of his life. Well Namor also has Superman Durability, shurgs off Thor's hammer.
Speed: Blitzes the Mutant Samurai Sunfire
More blitz
Stomps the Hulk
Lifts a 1 ,850-tonne H class WW2 destroyer with ease
NAMOR AT MAX. For a brief second. Lifts a oil tanker, fully loaded ? 62,000 tonnes?
"
Scan 1: Wendigo is just a strong as Namor, when they are on land. I wonder why Hulk, who has used the BFR power so much did not use it against Wendigo then ? Also do you want to point out to me where in that scanit says 32,000 feet as not all flights fly at this altitude - during the flight or on take off or landing (especiall for international ones).
Scan 2: That was in the Heroes Reborn Universe. Can you say with absolute certainity that Thor hit him as hard as he could ? Also, I am not denying that Namor cannot take a blow. He has in the past taken punches from the Thing, the Hulk and Hercules and keep going. Again, so what. As for mentioning Superman again - stow the hate for a while.
Scan 3: Do you actually look at the pictures of make this crap up as you go ? He hits Sunfire with a column of driving water (in Namors words). So not only has Sunfire by hit by a 'pressure cannon' of water but the cold water shocks his system. Both serve to unbalance him badly. This is clear when you look at the downward spiralling and frantic side to side motion he makes (look hard at the image for a change). His flight is uncontrolled and so there is noway he could dodge Namor. Not such a great feat. The better one was Namor avoiding the flaming plasma bolt Sunfire shot at him.
Scan 4: Firstly its ultimate Namor, so it don't count. Second, how is that a blitz. It simply shows him ripping something apart. Try to be accurate.
Scan 5: Namor is at his most powerful in the water. Hes stronger (Class 100), faster (hes not really impeeded like others are in water) and his endurance is greater. He knows how to fight and dodge in the water, whereas others don't. The battle with Wendigo is on land........
Scan 6: Not all Destroyer vessels weigh the same. They vary in weight typically over the range of 1000 - 3000 tonnes (for WW2). However lets say it weighs 3000 tonnes. The object is underwater, thus the weight of it is drastically lessened due the buoyant effect of the water on the object. The water provides an upward force on the object equal to the weight of the water being displaced (based now on volume). To make this simple, if the density of the object (mainly Iron and steel) is around 7.8g per cubic centimeter, then the water displaced would be equal to 1g per cubic centimeter of the object. In other words, Namor would face only lifting 87% of the actual weight of the object. Therefore he would be lifting approx 2600 tonnes. We already know that Marvel's powerhouses can lift at least tens of thousamds of tonnes as they have shown many feast in this strength range and some even a lot more. To make it easy for you, lets say namor can lift 100,000 tonnes. First off, again he is in the water and so at maximum strength. Second the fight with Wendigo takes place on dry land. Third, Namors strength dimnishes the longer he is out of water. Fourth, Wendigo is as strong as Namor begins the fight at, on dry land. The longer the fight goes on, Wendigo actually becomes stronger in comparison to Namor.
Scan 7: The tanker could be heavier than 62,000 tonnes, especially if fully laden. At the time of the story being written (I think around 30 years ago), the size of tankers was not as great as they are now. However buoyancy comes in to effect again and this time the weight is dropped a lot more as the relative density of the oil by comparison to the steel is significantly different.
Now do you want to put something forward that is valid or useful ?
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