Warriors of the West VS Warriors of the East

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The western army consists off:

• A knight(1500 AD, Horseback, equipped with Poleaxe. His horse carries a mace and shield as well)
• An Apache Warrior(Bow and arrow+2 Tomahawks)
• An Aztec Warrior(Standard)
• A roman Centurion(Standard)
• A spartan(Spear+Shield+Short sword)
• A Swiss Pikeman(1 pike+a dagger)
• A Rapier Duelist(1 Rapier)
• A Viking(Standard)

VS

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Eastern army:

• Samurai(At the peak of Japanese Samurai warriors, Standard equipment)
• Mongolian Archer(On horseback, Standard equipment)
• Armored Cataphract(Horseback, standard equipment)
• A Janissary(Mid Ottoman empire, equipped with a musket+ sword and shield)
• A Chinese Spearman(Trained at the peak of medieval China, equipped with traditional Chinese spear)
• Rajput Warrior(Standard)
• Mamluk Warrior(Standard)
• Ninja(Peak of Ninja warriors, Equipped with traditional Ninja tools, as well as poison.)

Rules:Warriors speak 1 language they all understand, Every warrior is at their peak, Battle takes place in a medieval town with a forest on one outside and an open field on the other, contestants don't see each other at start, ALL ways of killing are acceptable(Stealth, Duel, Setting up a trap, Poison, Killing in sleep), Battle will last a week.

I feel like a lot of these were featured on deadliest warrior

Mongoi is OP, East wins cause of him.

@bigcimmerian: Apache headshots him. West takes it because of superior armor

West destroys

What armor lol, only guys with good armor are Pikeman and Knight. There is a reason why all European countries pissed in their pants when they see Mongol army. And knights are basically chicken compared to Mongols. Battle of Mohi, 30 000 Mongols annihilated 30 000 Hungarians with only few thousand dead Mongols, and Hungarians were all superior when it comes to armor.

@jacthripper: superior? Only the Knight and Pikemen have any real armour to speak of. The Spartans and Centurion use bronze.

If anything the Mamluk would have the best quality armour because Damascus steel.

But all this chat on armour is pointless because the horse mounted Mongolian archer basicly solos, because no one can touch him say for maybe the Apache with the musket, but muskets have very little accessory and are extremely slow to reload.

Explain.

The knight will has tbe most armor and variety of weapons and will be the hardest to put down imo.

Apache is more ninja esque and wilwl most likely go sneak around until he can jump someone from a tree and slit his throat. Though bow and arrow would be better for accuracy then musket

Aztec warrior isnt much of a threat

Roman centurion and spartan are huge threats on foot. I dont see many of the east taking them down. Spartan shield and weapons and both theirs skills in combat wi lrovide gokd foot patrol to the knights cavalry. Swiss pikeman wil be a good counter tk easts cavalry. Rapier duelist is non factor almost and the viking will take a few out just by strength and intimidation factor.

Ill recline my earlier statement that west destroys but i think they win majority.

King Arthur ftw

East slaughters. I've seen this debate before. One on one the Chinese & Rajput soldier can basically wrestle the Knight/Swiss to death, breaking limbs and necks, making the armor useless. They train for exactly that kind of fighting.

Ninja

Opinions are devided.

@xlr87t3: maybe but the apache will just slit their throat from behind.

@nerdchore: The Ninja would handle him, and I would say easily. Apache warriors are good, but not that good. No armor, no bow, just a spear and a crappy gun, plus knives.

I'm not going to say destroys but they do win. Knight armor and weapons royally outclass anyone else's here. Apaches were a blueprint for modern Special Operations, and their tactics are actually considered superior for raid-combat warfare.

Meaning. Knights tank, Apaches ambush from behind. Not to mention Spartan and Roman warfare revolutionizing the world of combat.

Apaches didn't use muskets or rifles though, their tribes didn't believe in the need for them. They also weren't horsemen. You're thinking of Commanches.

The Duelist and Aztec warrior aren't much help in this to be honest. The Pikeman is dead once someone closes the distance.

@scorpion2501: all die cause their too epic to be in one battle. You got my respect for a great battle.

@granitesoldier: yeah i chamged my statement from destroys to wins in a good fight. Yeah id like to know if it is commanches or apaches. Apaches tip the scale for me

@granitesoldier: @nerdchore: Apaches didn't use guns and horses? In that case I screwed up on the history department, sorry. What ranged weapons would an apache use?

Thanks ^_^

East takes a slim majority.

Knight vs Samurai=Knight slim majority.

Apache vs Mongol=Slim majority Mongol.

A Swiss Pikeman vs Cataphract=probably draw.

Mamluk is on foot or have horse?

Rajput might stalemate Spartan.

Ninja get killed by Roman (probably).

Rapier Duelist kills China Pikeman and Viking dies or stalemate Janissary.

But since these are not separate duels but teamwork East wins.

East.

@remnet: @bigcimmerian:

1. The Mongols won most of their fights because of sheer ranged power. If the were 1000 of each of these people, the Mongols would pretty much slaughter because of their bows, but on its own, a horse archer isn't much. As far as armor goes, Knights have the best armor, followed by the Mamluk. Ninja is going to get killed really quick here, because ninjas were farmers dress in black and toting poison knives. He also lacks any armor to protect him from a well place spear throw or musket shot. However, I have one question on the knight. What is his standard gear? It can be a ton of things which can change the battle tremendously. Persay he has a mace or flail, he can start crushing heads, while a sword is much less effective in this scenario

@jacthripper: I was thinking about the Knight in the picture. So that means a Spear/Lance and a shield.

@scorpion2501: West is screwed then.

Roman and Spartan tactics rely on numbers e.g. Phalanx and Roman mobile infantry doctrine, so they won't be very useful. East takes majority because most of their combat doctrine emphasises on personal close range fighting skill and mobility a la Blitzkrieg. Everyone on West team aside from the Apache will probably piss their pants once they see how nutjobs team East is.

East IMO. Mongolian horse archer is the MVP. He has range advantage over everyone and has a ROF and accuracy advantage over the musket-equipped warriors.

A lone swiss pikemen and a lone spartan hoplite aren't particular effective in a small combat team like this either. They relied on mass formations.

Apaches, Aztecs and Vikings are nutjobs themselves though :P. Thanks for the input.

@scorpion2501: I'd give the apache bow and arrow two tomahawks and a dagger. I'd change knight basic weapons to sword and shield and a morningstar.

West.

West does not destroy but they do win:

Knight runs down the OP Mongol. Sure the Mongol is faster but the Knight's horse will be far more powerful over long distance, due to dragging a knight around on top of it.

At that point, Knight can easily outmanuver the Cataphract, and boom, no more east cavalry.

On the ground, The Centurion would take command and organize his forces to match them up with the enemy. Why does a Centurion take command? Cause thats what he was trained to do, and you don't get to that rank by appointment, you earn it.

From there, west should win, though they will suffer an 80% casualty rate.

@jacthripper: @mandarinestro: @fallschirmjager: @nerdchore: @rd189: Changed Knight and Apache equipment as per request.

@scorpion2501: I'd have to do some research to see how an Apache matches up against a mongol. I know Mongol bow technology was advanced, but assuming peak of Apache tech, they possibly have a few hundred years on them.

The knight doesn't change much. He's still a tank, but the Janissary can kill him with a well placed musket shot - especially if the Chinamen can hold him off (which he should be able to, Spearmen are good against Cavalry)

@fallschirmjager: The Mongol Tech was pretty advanced, but it was mainly their training. They were practically born and raised on horses.

@fallschirmjager: mongols were better with bows. Apaches were just ninjas were more versatile weapons. I thought the morning Star would be better horseriding weapon and its gtound caoable as well. Where as the lance is not the knights go to weapon. Maybe poleax?

The centurion organzing the apache knight and spartan and pikeman will be huge. Aztec and rapier are non factors imo

@scorpion2501: Yeah.

@nerdchore Not really. The best horse weapon is a long spear to deliver a devastating charge. Their biggest problem is foot spearmen, because they can't get close to them because a soldier on foot can carry a longer spear than a guy on horse cause you can't 2h it on horseback. So they need as much reach as they can get.

Regardless of the weapon, his biggest problem is still the Janissary. Muskets are inaccurate by nature, but the horsemen is a huge target. And killing the horse will essentially defeat the knight, even if he doesn't die. A high speed crash will mostly like injure him and put him on his back, leaving him vulnerable. The horse could also fall on him and incap him. He might also die just from the fall if the horse is at full gallop when shot.

@nerdchore: The Aztec and the Rapier could do SOME damage if they play their cards right. But yeah, not the biggest threat.

I'll back the east here.

@scorpion2501: Apaches typically had a bow, 1-2 tomahawks, and 3-5 knives.

Im edging for East

Mongolian Archer is a huge factor imo

@fallschirmjager: true but i still think morningstar is more versatile. And east doesnt have the armor to counter blunt and pierce damage simultaneously. But i agree the spearman will pose a threat. Once the knight chases down the mongol id have the knight tank down next to the spartan. Or have the apache sneak around to take the spearman out.

@scorpion2501: the aztec can do a suucide run and try to take out a guy. The rapier will have to be saved for close combat or against guys that have anti slashing armor like chainmail

lol you dont know much about ancient warfare do you? Knight will be the first to die, Mongol tactic against knights if they have thick armor is to shoot the horse down, then the knight is only prey for mongol.

Chinese soldier, Rajput soldier, and Mamluk soldier all have steel/iron armor & weapons. Two of them are trained in martial arts. One on one they can handle anyone on the West team. And yes, Ninjas are still a factor in this fight, more than Apache anyways. Black Egg to the face, Shuriken to the neck, game over. And the blowgun is a gamechanger.

Team East. Ninja stealth kill and Mongol MVP.

West.

Depends on where they decide to fight. If they fight in the town or the woods, team west is going to win. Their is far less room to maneuver in both of those areas where the heavier armored western team is going to come ahead. If they fight in the plains, team west is going to lose.

(The knight isn't riding an armored warhorse making shooting the horse out from under him the prime target of the Mongolian. Not sure why you said that knight, as that knight is certainly not from the 1,500 A.D that pictured knight is from Mount and Blade, and he is a few hundred years earlier.)

Rapier duelist is going to annihilate just about anyone that tries to fight him one on one, in hand to hand. Rapiers are very good against armored and unarmored opponents and are very, very hard to deal with as a weapon, overall.

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I know you posted this three months ago, but ninjas are really overrated in modern media. Most of them were probably farmers with a knife and poison.

East wins because they've 2 fighters on horseback and one of them is a f*cking Cataphract, in any other scenario West warriors curbstomp, mostly because of the spartan.

Lol a single mongol is MVP? the spartan would rip his head off before he could even think