WarHammer 40K vs Marvel,DC,Star Wars,Star Trek and Dr.Who

What the hell people? Dr. Who could wipe them out alone. Star Wars could potentially match them. DC and Marvel will tear their collective insides out.

God Emperor of Mankind solos with his supernova level eye blast

@AtPhantom said:

What the hell people? Dr. Who could wipe them out alone. Star Wars could potentially match them.

The Emperor can solo both of these without even trying. He could predict the future thousands of years in advance and nuke solar systems with his mind. It took omnipotent level beings(4 of them) to mess with his telepathy and foresight.

@Sci_Fi_Rulez said:

Naga Sadow could create Super nova's too,with a big enough explosion he could destroy an entire galaxy

Proof?

Naga Sadow could create Super nova's too,with a big enough explosion he could destroy an entire galaxy

@ChaosMarvel said:

@AtPhantom said:

What the hell people? Dr. Who could wipe them out alone. Star Wars could potentially match them.

The Emperor can solo both of these without even trying. He could predict the future thousands of years in advance and nuke solar systems with his mind. It took omnipotent level beings(4 of them) to mess with his telepathy and foresight.

I would really love to see him actually nuking any solar systems. And no, narrative hyperboles don't count. His precognition is also wonky. Visions in WH40k are far from accurate and consistent. Sure, he could predict some general patterns. Horus leading half of the Imperium against him and putting his ass on life support? That sorta eluded him.

Dr. Who, Marvel and DC can win on a pure technicality that they have time travel (Dr. Who on an industrial scale). That's one way, and they have a million more.

@AtPhantom said:

@ChaosMarvel said:

@AtPhantom said:

What the hell people? Dr. Who could wipe them out alone. Star Wars could potentially match them.

The Emperor can solo both of these without even trying. He could predict the future thousands of years in advance and nuke solar systems with his mind. It took omnipotent level beings(4 of them) to mess with his telepathy and foresight.

I would really love to see him actually nuking any solar systems. And no, narrative hyperboles don't count. His precognition is also wonky. Visions in WH40k are far from accurate and consistent. Sure, he could predict some general patterns. Horus leading half of the Imperium against him and putting his ass on life support? That sorta eluded him.

Dr. Who, Marvel and DC can win on a pure technicality that they have time travel (Dr. Who on an industrial scale). That's one way, and they have a million more.

Can't the Emperor time travel as well?

@nick_hero22 said:

Can't the Emperor time travel as well?

No.

Well in theory the warp has a very loose idea of time and causality, and it's possible to travel to another time through it. In practice this was never ever achieved outside of several freak accidents. Time travel is a non issue for WH40k.

@Strider92 said:

@Sci_Fi_Rulez: I'll try an put it into perspective how big this universe is:

The Necrons alone occupied an empire the same size as the imperium in its prime (that's a lot there's no real exact number as it tends to contradict itself sometimes it says 600k sometimes 1million planets). Each planet had a population roughly the size of earth sometimes a bit lower. I think there's roughly 6billion people on earth. When the C'tan made them into Necrons they turned everyone (men, women and children into a fighting force) that's a whole planet not just the trained soldiers. Thats just 1 planet with 6-7billion fully capable soldiers now times that by the 600k planets they had and you have an immense army. That is just the Necrons.

This is a non sequitur. You can't judge Necron numbers based on human numbers. You can't judge necron planet numbers based on human planet numbers. If so there would be a tomb on every freaking planet in the Imperium. There isn't. Necron empire was the same size as the Imperium in that it covered the galaxy. The exact amount of planets and people in it is completely unknown.

Tales of the Jedi: The Fall of the Sith Empire 5: End of an Empire, Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith 1: Masters and Students of the Force, Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith , Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 4: Jedi Holocaust, Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, i read these comics a while back,but im pretty sure he used sith magic or some kind of crystals to create the supernova

Another thing - WH40K travel methods are atrocious compared to others. Imperium cannot even leave the galaxy because the Astronomican doesn't shine outside it. Eldar and Necrons can't leave the galaxy because there's no webway outside it. Orks, Chaos and Tyranids can leave the galaxy, but they'd still take thousands of years to get anywhere. Compare that to Green Lanterns, who are mandated to patrol the whole freaking universe. The disparity is quite enormous here.

@Strider92 said:

This is actually a real possibility.

The techpriests stated (in the new Necron codex) that there could well be a tomb world buried beneath the surface of nearly every planet in the imperium. Thats why they are continuously searching for them and neutralizing them before they can awaken. The techpriests on Mars (which is pretty damn close to Terra) worship the machine god buried beneath its surface which is supposedly the Void Dragon (strongest C'tan).

Conjecture is not proof. Frankly, if they can almost hollow out thousands of worlds building hives on them and not find wast necron tombs buried underneath, they deserve to gaus flayed. It still doesn't make your point about the size of the necron empire any more truthful.

@Strider92 said:

@AtPhantom: An yet they have found many tomb worlds in the segmentum solar:

And these are just the ones that cause the imperium problems (that they know of). There are many other solar systems that have had recorded trouble. The Eldar ones, the ones near the Eye Of Terror, heck even Commoragh has had trouble with them.

The map is meaningless and there are only 15 points marked on it. That they discovered tomb world is SS is of no relevance whatsoever. Also, of course Eldar have problems with them. They're mortal enemies.

@Strider92 said:

While the Emperor destroying a solar system with his mind is true we should bare in mind 2 things:

1. It wasn't the actual Solar System he destroyed it was an invasion force the size of a solar system

2. This was pre-hersay

First time I hear of it. Evidence?

You do also realize that that is quite unimpressive compared to comics standards? Someone could just detonate a GL central battery in Segmentum Solar and wipe out the whole Milky Way galaxy.

@Strider92 said:

Before the Hersey his premonitions were incredibly accurate and what you need to remember is that he did not miss the fact Horus was betraying him. It took every Chaos god (except Malice who couldn't be bothered to help) to stop his foresight. When 4 gods modify your premonitions its not really something you can prevent.

Horus only put him on life support because initially the Emperor tried to save his son and tried to exorcise the chaos gods by pulling them inside him. When he realized he couldn't stop Horus he destroyed his soul but was taken down by 4 gods in the process. If he hadn't been trying to saves his son things may have gone differently. This cannot be proven but I think its safe to assume that if he could exorcise the gods in a wounded weakened state he could have done it even easier if he was at 100% and not trying to save Horus.

Irrelevant given how little there is to quantify the Chaos gods themselves.

@Strider92 said:

@AtPhantom said:

First time I hear of it. Evidence?

It was in one of the Horus Heresey Novels. I'll look out the passage tomorrow as I can't be bothered to go through all 4 books now to find which one it was.

@AtPhantom said:

You do also realize that that is quite unimpressive compared to comics standards? Someone could just detonate a GL central battery in Segmentum Solar and wipe out the whole Milky Way galaxy.

They would still have to get close enough to do so and with the Emperor not holding back the warp anymore that will be nigh impossible. Oh I agree there are things in the marvel an dc-verse that can replicate this feat but after using the battery it cannot be reused right?

If that is the case I would put someone who can unleash that kind of power when he wants to is a lot more dangerous than a 1 time shot of the same power.

@AtPhantom said:

Irrelevant given how little there is to quantify the Chaos gods themselves.

The Chaos god's were powerful enough to go toe on toe with C'tan who had in turn proven they themselves were capable of fighting the old ones. Due to the fact the C'tan do not comprehend or indeed like the warp at all their plans to block it off has caused them to clash with Chaos Gods many times. (There was a fight in either the Thousand Son's novel or the Eisenhorn ones between Khorne and one of the C'tan not to mention quite a lot of lore about it in the Chaos codex's).

How powerful are the Chaos Gods suppose to be?

@Strider92 said:

@nick_hero22 said:

How powerful are the Chaos Gods suppose to be?

I will admit their power levels are quite hard to gauge.

The best showings we have is them enslaving every world near the Eye Of Terror(a few solar systems near the warp) nigh instantaneously when they were freed from the warp. Ripping through reality to help Horus. The ability to control anyone or anything that hasn't been purified by the Emperor with nothing but words. I believe Slanesh 1 shotted an Eldar galaxy when he realized he couldn't control them thus rendering the Eldar a nigh extinct race. Khorne showed omnipresence during his initial release by looking over the entire imperium of man at the same time to look for people he could corrupt and talking to the all at the same time(ended up being the World Eater's Space Marine chapter).

Then you have the other ones like Malice. Malice doesn't have any feats to his name at all apart from the fact all the other gods are scared out of their minds by him.

Didn't one of them tear and hole in the Universe or something when it was born?

@Strider92 said:

It was in one of the Horus Heresey Novels. I'll look out the passage tomorrow as I can't be bothered to go through all 4 books now to find which one it was.

Fair enough.

They would still have to get close enough to do so and with the Emperor not holding back the warp anymore that will be nigh impossible. Oh I agree there are things in the marvel an dc-verse that can replicate this feat but after using the battery it cannot be reused right?

If that is the case I would put someone who can unleash that kind of power when he wants to is a lot more dangerous than a 1 time shot of the same power.

/Shrug they can make more batteries. Sinestro Corps built several of them. Or if you want someone reusable, just ask Odin. Or the Celestials. Or The-Anti Monitor.

This is also a false equivalence. There is no one in WH capable of even remotely unleashing that kind of power. If anyone on that level from Marvel of DC decides to drop in, the only thing WH can do is roll over and die.

The Chaos god's were powerful enough to go toe on toe with C'tan who had in turn proven they themselves were capable of fighting the old ones. Due to the fact the C'tan do not comprehend or indeed like the warp at all their plans to block it off has caused them to clash with Chaos Gods many times. (There was a fight in either the Thousand Son's novel or the Eisenhorn ones between Khorne and one of the C'tan not to mention quite a lot of lore about it in the Chaos codex's).

This is also irrelevant given how vague and unquantifiable the Old Ones are. You cannot claim someone is powerful by comparing with someone we know nothing about. Granted, War in Heaven seems to have been quite devastating, with solar systems dropped down black holes and everything, but this is still too vague (Was it regular? Was is a one time basis? Did they do it on their own? Did they need tech? etc.) To draw anything from it.

Size matters not.

Dr. Strange can absorb enough power to subconsciously destroy surrounding galaxies. There you go.

@Sci_Fi_Rulez said:

Naga Sadow could create Super nova's too,with a big enough explosion he could destroy an entire galaxy

No, that was his ship, the Corsair.

Then he can sense that and stop/reverse time. The Star Wars guys will have already seen that and Sidious will just force storm his face.

@ShootingNova said:

Dr. Strange can absorb enough power to subconsciously destroy surrounding galaxies. There you go.

Unless Shuma-Gorath is hanging around letting him do so, not really.

Well, which version of strange are we using? And, yeah, Strange lost his Black Magic powers after a while.

Umm... with the help of Marvel, and DC, sure as hell yes. Then you better hope that Kreia didn't suddenly see the future and know what's going on. The Vishanti, Ancient One, Strange, DE Sidious, NJO Luke, GM Yoda and GM Satele Shan will have some battling to do. And the Ones of Mortis too. Then you have Galactus and Herals, the Celestials from Star Wars and the Celestials from Marvel, and the Watchers (e.g. Uatu).

@ShootingNova said:

Well, which version of strange are we using? And, yeah, Strange lost his Black Magic powers after a while.

Unless specified, current versions, and the current version of Strange is a bit of a joke. It's not so much what powers Strange has as the fact that he absorbed energy from Shuma to reach the state where his mere presence could destroy galaxies. Without Shuma, Strange is not destroying any galaxies.

@CitizenBane: Well then, the Vishanti and the Ancient One, plus the others that I put in my above post are still in.

@ShootingNova said:

@CitizenBane: Well then, the Vishanti and the Ancient One, plus the others that I put in my above post are still in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ancient One died and became one with Eternity, so he's not really around anymore. Haven't seen the Vishanti lately.

Sidious opens a wormhole in his face. NJO Luke will just freeze the place. Dunno, Galactus and Uatu can also intervene.

@CitizenBane said:

@ShootingNova said:

@CitizenBane: Well then, the Vishanti and the Ancient One, plus the others that I put in my above post are still in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ancient One died and became one with Eternity, so he's not really around anymore. Haven't seen the Vishanti lately.

True. Also, Agamotto can defeat Classic Strange.

Then you better hope that Kreia didn't suddenly see the future and know what's going on.

No, I meant if she went to the Trayus Core and meditated again. She saw the future to the point of thousands of years later, didn't she?