War Between The Gods (Warhammer Vs)

No Prep 
Fight Takes Place In The Empty Void Of Space 
 
 
 

is this full powered galactus? if so he or the phoenix force win

is this full powered galactus? if so he or the phoenix force win

Although I don't know much about the first team, but I highly doubt that there is a being at the level of Phoenix, so I'm gonna have to say Phoenix force solos.

then the win goes to the phoenix force

@Jonny_Anonymous: PF is a multiversal level being. So unless there is an equal level being, Phoenix solos.

Depends where the battle is because in the warp all of the Warhammer gods are omnipotent. So they will stomp.....hard. If its out of the warp then it doesn't matter because they cannot be killed, maimed or even scratched because they don't exist in the other universe. Not to mention all the chaos gods are multiuniversal being in both the Warhammer-verse and 40k verse at the same time.

The best possible case scenario for team 2 is a stalemate because they can't hurt the chaos gods and the chaos gods don't have the power output necessary to hurt them out of the warp. If the battle takes place in the warp then team 1 stomps........really really really hard.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Omniversal_Warper: no way does the PF solo

I only know Phoenix Force, Galactus, Zeus, Mephisto, and Odin. Out of those, Phoenix wins, no sweat.

@AweSam said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Omniversal_Warper: no way does the PF solo

I only know Phoenix Force, Galactus, Zeus, Mephisto, and Odin. Out of those, Phoenix wins, no sweat.

Against 4 multiuniversal, omnipotent(if they are in the warp) threats? I doubt it......

@Omniversal_Warper said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: PF is a multiversal level being. So unless there is an equal level being, Phoenix solos.

The 4 chaos gods are multiversal existing in both the Warhammer-verse and 40k verse at the same time. As Strider said. If the fight takes place in the warp then team 1 ROFLSTOMPS if it takes place out of the warp then neither team can hurt the other so its a stalemate.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@AweSam: thats all one team

Didn't notice the little "vs". I can't say since I don't know anything about the other team.

To be quite blunt, the gods and god level beings in Marvel simply isn't anywhere near the level the Chaos Gods are, a better comparison to them is the likes of the Endless and the Infinite, abstract concepts that has been given form and taken on sentience.

Team Marvel.

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Strider92: Malal can leave the Warp also remember Cegorach and the Void Dragon are not Chaos Gods

Yes but is Malal powerful outside the warp? I'm not sure theres anything to back that up so I can't really debate it. The Void Dragon is another odd one all we know is he ate a couple of galaxies then went into hibernation we don't really know much on his power output. I had forgotten about the laughing god thanks for reminding me. He might actually shift this for win for his team as he did trick and omnipotent being. He could probably trick the other team into killing each other lol but my main point was which ever way you look at this the 2end team cannot kill the 4 chaos gods. As if they are in the warp Chaos stomps if they are out of it then they cannot be destroyed. So even if the other team manage to take down the ones that can be destroyed there's still nothing they can do against Chaos thus the absolute best outcome for team 2 is a stalemate. Thats only if Chaos can't hurt them. Which i'm not 100% sure they can't.

@Strider92 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Strider92: Malal can leave the Warp also remember Cegorach and the Void Dragon are not Chaos Gods

Yes but is Malal powerful outside the warp? I'm not sure theres anything to back that up so I can't really debate it. The Void Dragon is another odd one all we know is he ate a couple of galaxies then went into hibernation we don't really know much on his power output. I had forgotten about the laughing god thanks for reminding me. He might actually shift this for win for his team as he did trick and omnipotent being. He could probably trick the other team into killing each other lol but my main point was which ever way you look at this the 2end team cannot kill the 4 chaos gods. As if they are in the warp Chaos stomps if they are out of it then they cannot be destroyed. So even if the other team manage to take down the ones that can be destroyed there's still nothing they can do against Chaos thus the absolute best outcome for team 2 is a stalemate. Thats only if Chaos can't hurt them. Which i'm not 100% sure they can't.

Yeah but remember the only reason they aren't omnipotent is because the Emperor holds back the warp. Here there is no Emperor to hold them back. As the Chaos gods are multi-universal and have control of the Warp they can project it anywhere without the Emperor being annoying and holding it back. Thus they can easily suck team 2 into and area where they are completely omnipotent.

@Jonny_Anonymous:Mavels copies of the Endless (Death, Oblivion and that lot) :)

@ChaosMarvel said:

@Strider92 said:

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

@Strider92: Malal can leave the Warp also remember Cegorach and the Void Dragon are not Chaos Gods

Yes but is Malal powerful outside the warp? I'm not sure theres anything to back that up so I can't really debate it. The Void Dragon is another odd one all we know is he ate a couple of galaxies then went into hibernation we don't really know much on his power output. I had forgotten about the laughing god thanks for reminding me. He might actually shift this for win for his team as he did trick and omnipotent being. He could probably trick the other team into killing each other lol but my main point was which ever way you look at this the 2end team cannot kill the 4 chaos gods. As if they are in the warp Chaos stomps if they are out of it then they cannot be destroyed. So even if the other team manage to take down the ones that can be destroyed there's still nothing they can do against Chaos thus the absolute best outcome for team 2 is a stalemate. Thats only if Chaos can't hurt them. Which i'm not 100% sure they can't.

Yeah but remember the only reason they aren't omnipotent is because the Emperor holds back the warp. Here there is no Emperor to hold them back. As the Chaos gods are multi-universal and have control of the Warp they can project it anywhere without the Emperor being annoying and holding it back. Thus they can easily suck team 2 into and area where they are completely omnipotent.

Holy crap! Good catch lol I didn't see that.

Yeah team 1 stomps team 2 hard by sucking them into their own reality where they are all omnipotent.

These things are hard to judge but I'm going to go with the warp God's as they are effectively aspects of there particular vice and empowered by the trillions. I would say the PF would be more powerful than any one of them because of what it represents but it is incredibly stupid, the rest of the characters here are just a few among many of the reality warpers Marvel have and seem less unique every time a new one pops up.

I think the only reasonable way of killing the warp gods is wiping out all sentient life.

@Dextersinister said:

I think the only reasonable way of killing the warp gods is wiping out all sentient life.

That would only relinquish their hold on the reality it wouldn't kill them as they still exist within the warp and as ChaosMarvel pointed out the only reason those gods aren't omnipotent outside the warp is because of the Emperor. Without the Emperor to hold them back all five of the Chaos gods are omnipotent.

@Dextersinister: Well, the C'Tan (which is Vods Dragon is one) had plans to simply nullify humanity's psychic potential, since it is the reason there is power in the Warp and it is what sustains the Chaos Gods, but that was something they planned before they had to go into stasis for millions of years to hide from a swarm of plague creatures from the Warp.

Phew, Warhammer fiction runs DEEEEEEEEP

@texasdeathmatch: ?

Team 2 can stalemate at best, their actions in a fight against team 1 will empower them.

@texasdeathmatch said:

Phew, Warhammer fiction runs DEEEEEEEEP

Well it does have 37 years of lore and literature behind it lol.

IIRC, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Warhammer and Warhammer 40k are different universes. They are merely different points in the timeline.

And even if my memory is off, and they are different universes, that only sets the Chaos Gods as existing simultaneously in 2 universes. The Phoenix Force exists in several hundred universes.

The Phoenix Force is the source and nexus of all psionic energy that is, has been, and ever will be. While Zeus and Odin are pretty much cannon fodder here, the Phoenix Force is powerful enough to win, especially when backed up by Galactus, who in this fight, is more powerful than we have ever seen him in the comics.

@SirMethos said:

IIRC, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Warhammer and Warhammer 40k are different universes. They are merely different points in the timeline.

They are different as in the Warhammer universe the Old Ones are dead after having created the races there but then in the 40k verse they create the Eldar before being killed by the C'tan and humans evolve later and yet humans where around in the Warhammer-verse long before that.

The Chaos are also in the Necromundis universe and any other universe associated with Games Workshop.

@SirMethos said:

The Phoenix Force is the source and nexus of all psionic energy that is, has been, and ever will be.

Only in the Marvel universe. In the 40k verse its made up of the Warp which in this scenario the Chaos gods have complete control of. The Phoenix force is not omnipotent. In the Warp the Chaos gods are and here with no restraints they can project it anywhere they want.

@SirMethos said:

IIRC, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Warhammer and Warhammer 40k are different universes. They are merely different points in the timeline.

And even if my memory is off, and they are different universes, that only sets the Chaos Gods as existing simultaneously in 2 universes. The Phoenix Force exists in several hundred universes.

The Phoenix Force is the source and nexus of all psionic energy that is, has been, and ever will be. While Zeus and Odin are pretty much cannon fodder here, the Phoenix Force is powerful enough to win, especially when backed up by Galactus, who in this fight, is more powerful than we have ever seen him in the comics.

They are different universes, Games Workshop were asked about the theory concerning Sigmar being one of the lost Primarchs and the Warhammer Fantasy World being a world locked away in a warpstorm, GW addressed the theory by stating the games are set in different universes.

@SirMethos said:

IIRC, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that Warhammer and Warhammer 40k are different universes. They are merely different points in the timeline.

And even if my memory is off, and they are different universes, that only sets the Chaos Gods as existing simultaneously in 2 universes. The Phoenix Force exists in several hundred universes.

The Phoenix Force is the source and nexus of all psionic energy that is, has been, and ever will be. While Zeus and Odin are pretty much cannon fodder here, the Phoenix Force is powerful enough to win, especially when backed up by Galactus, who in this fight, is more powerful than we have ever seen him in the comics.

I believe that the PF but as I stated earlier it is as dump as a brick and has been taken advantage of and beaten horribly by things far below. Galactus has the limits of just being a very powerful individual with a limited power supply and couldn't possibly be on the same level as beings that draw power from the actions of trillions.

This isn't on topic and I know how he was made but I like the idea that the Emperor is the equivalent of humanities best traits and his all but dead state is a representation of the dark and hopeless 40K universe.

@Strider92: But not through the hundreds of universes the Phoenix Force exists in.'

If this was mythology Zeus and Odin team 2 would win.

@ShootingNova said:

@Strider92: But not through the hundreds of universes the Phoenix Force exists in.'

If this was mythology Zeus and Odin team 2 would win.

They don't need to be. They only need to be it in this one and as its a neutral universe they can project the warp giving themselves omnipotence as the Emperor isn't there to restrain them.

@Strider92: You mean near-omnipotence. You can't have countless beings all being omnipotent. Only one that can be truly omnipotent.

@ShootingNova said:

@Strider92: You mean near-omnipotence. You can't have countless beings all being omnipotent. Only one that can be truly omnipotent.

Each part of the warp belongs to one god each tries to kill the other and at the same time succeeds in killing the other but at the same time doesn't because they are locked in the omnipotence paradox (eg: if you are strong enough to kill anything but nothing is strong enough to kill you). Think of the warp as a thing that grants omnipotence. When each the Gods are in it the power is divided into each one. They each get the same amount (even though others are better at using it than other *cough*Tzeentch*cough*) but because of the paradox they are technically not omnipotent just nigh-omnipotent. However this only because they are trying kill each other all the time as they are sworn enemies (this is the only reason the Emperor can hold them back) in this case they are all on the same team and their goals are united. Basically within the warp they are only nigh-omnipotent when it comes to attacking each other however if they were united (which is the case here) they are no longer stuck in that paradox.

I hate 40k lore that crap is so hard to follow.

@Strider92: That' complicated but at least makes some sense.

@Jonny_Anonymous: what do you mean how? phoenix is by far the most powerful one here especially with galactus at mid power so phoenix force wins, it's as simple as that.

@Strider92 said:

@ShootingNova said:

@Strider92: You mean near-omnipotence. You can't have countless beings all being omnipotent. Only one that can be truly omnipotent.

Each part of the warp belongs to one god each tries to kill the other and at the same time succeeds in killing the other but at the same time doesn't because they are locked in the omnipotence paradox (eg: if you are strong enough to kill anything but nothing is strong enough to kill you). Think of the warp as a thing that grants omnipotence. When each the Gods are in it the power is divided into each one. They each get the same amount (even though others are better at using it than other *cough*Tzeentch*cough*) but because of the paradox they are technically not omnipotent just nigh-omnipotent. However this only because they are trying kill each other all the time as they are sworn enemies (this is the only reason the Emperor can hold them back) in this case they are all on the same team and their goals are united. Basically within the warp they are only nigh-omnipotent when it comes to attacking each other however if they were united (which is the case here) they are no longer stuck in that paradox.

I hate 40k lore that crap is so hard to follow.

I don't remember anything about an omnipotence paradox or the Chaos Gods succeeding in killing each other but also not doing it, or the Chaos Gods actually being described as Omnipotent. Can you source that?@justleader said:

@Jonny_Anonymous: what do you mean how? phoenix is by far the most powerful one here especially with galactus at mid power so phoenix force wins, it's as simple as that.

How does the Phoenix Force kill the Chaos Gods? Anything that causes change will empower Tzeentch, anything fighting will empower Khorne, any destruction will empower Nurgle. So no, its not as simple that.

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

I don't remember anything about an omnipotence paradox or the Chaos Gods succeeding in killing each other but also not doing it, or the Chaos Gods actually being described as Omnipotent. Can you source that?

Sure its in one of the novels i'll try and pull it out later. Besides if they weren't all the same level of power why would they need to try to corrupt people outside the warp? The reason is they can't kill one another so they attempt to out do the other by using their 'pawns'. As I said they are only nigh-omnipotent because they cannot kill each other as their power comes from the same place. The only time they would ever truly be omnipotent is if they worked together in the warp but thats never going to happen in the 40k-verse lol!

@OneVision_OnePurpose: i understand what you're saying but phoenix is multiversal so they cant handle the phoenix's energy, only if they are multiversal they can absorb or be empowered other than that they cant handle phoenix's energy.

@Jonny_Anonymous: what do you mean how? phoenix is by far the most powerful one here especially with galactus at mid power so phoenix force wins, it's as simple as that.

@justleader said:

@OneVision_OnePurpose: i understand what you're saying but phoenix is multiversal so they cant handle the phoenix's energy, only if they are multiversal they can absorb or be empowered other than that they cant handle phoenix's energy.

Gods of Chaos are multiversal, they exist in the numerous different Games Workshop settings (which have been confirmed by GW to be separate universes).

@OneVision_OnePurpose: give me proof that they are multiversal please and then we'll talk

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

or the Chaos Gods actually being described as Omnipotent.

Here:

Chaos Gods can not enter the physical world but are omnipotent within their native realm, they can fashion smaller versions of themselves known as Greater Daemons by which to visit the physical world and act as their avatars but must always return to the realm of chaos as the physical world can not sustain them for long.
-Eye Of Terror

I'll have to dig out my copy of this to be sure as I did take this off a 40k forum. Although its reputable i'll double check to be sure.

@OneVision_OnePurpose said:

I don't remember anything about an omnipotence paradox or the Chaos Gods succeeding in killing each other but also not doing it

It's referred to as 'The Great Game' the eternal struggle of each god trying to one up the other but finding it impossible due to the fact in the warp they are all on the same level of power.

The Great Game is the constant struggle for dominance between the Chaos God's. The Warp is not only home to the Gods, but it is also their battlefield. No god can ever win the Great Game, for if all other Warp Powers were obliterated, the Warp would become a still, unmoving mass and Chaos would no longer exist. So it is an Eternal Conflict.
-Lexicanum

@justleader said:

@OneVision_OnePurpose: give me proof that they are multiversal please and then we'll talk

Games Workshop routinely depict their domains in the Warp as being the same place regardless of which setting they're being used in.

@OneVision_OnePurpose: so this is your proof?

@Strider92: huh, fair enough

@justleader: What? How the company that makes warhammer depicts the characters isn't good enough proof? Sure thing. Troll.

Nothings been shown to be able to defeat the Chaos Gods, it'll be a stalemate at best.

@justleader said:

@OneVision_OnePurpose: so this is your proof?

You do realize his proof is the creators of the Warhammer literally stating that their in mulitple universes?

Thats like Stan Lee saying Iron Man is Tony Stark and you saying thats not enough proof.......What more do you want lol?