@Cooldes:
pretty sure i'm getting trolled at this point...
Sure you are. You're getting trolled because I'm pointing out your flaws.
you show your own quote saying that i keep talking about a feat, and then ask when you said i was talking about a feat.
The same feat where you were saying DON'T SHOW ME HIM AMPS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT! IT DOESN'T MATTER.
this doesn't matter, but recheck your last post. you asked me where you said i was talking about a feat. but in that same post you quoted yourself telling me that i kept talking about a feat. see the confusion?
then you say i said his rouges tag him(which they do lol) even though i NEVER said they tag him, you even quoted what i said... and nowhwere does it say i tagged them.
Umm.
Deathstroke has beaten flash multiple times, and captain cold caught flashes hand in his palm.
You said Deathstroke beat Flash multiple times(which is pretty much lowballing) and Captain Cold catching Flash in his palm. I said show me this happening because I really don't recall this. Either way, he get's slowed down by the Cold Field. Captain Cold isn't just some normal guy either.
it's not lowballing... i specifically said "he has low showings like..." which should tell you that i view them as low showings. i obviously don't view them as normal flash showings. all i'm saying is just like math, we have to ignore outliers. when finding the average, the ridiculously high and the ridiculousl low are ignored so we acan get the actual average. get what i'm saying now? no one is lowballing flash dude
you state that a primordial being is a title, even though the runner is not a primordial being so that really has nothing to do with the conversation. he has the power primordial which is a power he has. that's like saying superman's title is heat vision, just because heat vision is a power superman has.
So he has the power of primoridal but isn't a primoridal being and he's called an elder of he universe just for the heck of it according to you? Okay. How is him having the power of primoridial even relevant to the conversation? You are making zero sense being that you mentioned it and talk about how it isn't relevant.
now i'm doubting your reading skills... i have said
1) he has the power primordial
2) his title would be elder of the universe, because he is an elder of the universe.
3) i said how is him being "a primordial being" (a title he doesn't have) relevant to the conversation not how is him having the power primordial relevant. please next time you you reply, check the syntax so that you get this right ok?
And that's nothing like saying Superman's title is heat vision. Supermans title is his name itself. "Superman".
WOW! i think you are starting to get it! superman's title is superman, or member of the justice league, or even the guardian of good or w.e. but it is NOT heat vision.
runner has the power primordial as his powers so his title is NOT that. finally some sense is being made here. good job dude. +1
Even if that wasn't a title. You are cherry picking. How about when you said he was the elder of the universe(a freaking title and you haven't even defended yourself but instead cherry picked) and that's why he can beat Flash in a foot race?
i have said he was an elder of the universe. i won't argue that cause it's true. i told you he's an elder of the universe and that's his title. read above. (btw idk how you are using "cherry picking". sorry)
a level of power is also not his title. none of superman's titles are powerhouse.
A powerhouse is a title. Especially when you're saying that he wins simply because of it with no substantial* amount of feats to back it up. That's like saying a heavyweight beats a middle weight simply because he's a heavyweight. You are using* his titles to explain a win. No. Just no.
i thought you figured this one out already? "superman's title is superman" that's what you said right?
Let me show you how terrible your arguement is.
"Flash wins because he has the power of speed force! He isn't a speed force being that's not what I mean! But he does have the power of speed force so he clearly wins and beats every single person"
not really, but i can rephrase it and make it true, here you go
"flash wins because he has the speed force. a "speed force being" isn't even a real thing, he just has the speed force. But he does have the speed force, which would allow him to go ftl, speed steal, IMP, etc. so he wins over batman. Bat man has High showings of him kicking spectre and drawing blood, punching superman to the same effect, dodging omega beams and shooting darkseid, etc etc etc. BUT obviously batman is not normally this strong, he has lowshowings like being captured by his rogues multiple times. so if we ignore the super high and the super low, we see that batman is just a good fighter. using the speed force flash should be able to one-shot him.
This is essentially My arguement.
and you say i've made no argument so i'll leave with this(things i've already said before mind you).
flash has high showings and low showings. normally flash is very fast but nowhere near as fast as the runner would logically have to be to do what we all know the runner does.
Runner is immortial. I don't want to hear "logically this and that". Show some actual proof. I've provided you proof of him only being able to go just under the speed of light so he probably can barely hit light speeds. Logically, he doesn't need to be extrememly fast(relative to Flash) being that he is immorital and has all of the time in the universe, literally.
you don't want to hear logic? now this all makes sense. my bad.
but the runner has been shown in different galaxy clusters within the lifespan of people who live on earth. it would take light a ridiculous amount of time to even go from one side of a galaxy to the other. now imagine switching galaxyies, now imagine switching clusters. you don't want to hear logic. but honestly this should be proof enough.
Flash could do the same thing and HAS done the same thing. Normally Flash is running FTL, especially when he's fighting another "fast" opponent. You honestly think he's going to eb going the same speeds he goes at when he fights rouges? Then why does he move so fast when fighting Zoom and Professor Zoom?
zoom? you mean the same zoom he has had to amp himself for multiple times? and Still couldn't beat? or even see?
the runner outsped the surfer, who is someone i already would put as faster than flash traveling.
Lol. Surfers best QUANTIFIABLE feat was during Infinity Gauntlet where he got to Thanos(which he missed anyways) before he hit Captain America. He was a bit over a light year away. Most to all of his other travel feats is him using wormholes. That is not him beign faster. That's him taking shortcuts.
most? what? anyway, surfer has feats of flying to reed lightyears away in seconds, searching the planet for a person while strange was mid sentence, straight up flying back in time, etc. and by scale, flash is usually on earth, while surfer needs to switch star systems constantly. idk where you get this wormhole idea from, maybe you mean when he enter's hyperspace? cause he does that a lot to travel long distances
the runner is more powerful. wielding the power primordial, he should be able to one shot flash.
He "should" be able to one shot fast? You have shown zero evidence of how powerful he is. So because Blue Marvel has the power of Anti-Matter like Anti-Monitor we must assume he can beat an entire Universe?
larer scale dude. you have to pick a more specific power, because blue marvel and anitmonitor don't have the same power.
but, because franklin richards has the power of Reality warping, he should be able to blink spiderman out of existence. agreed?
And who one shots during a race? Hell you haven't even proved that he can tag Flash.
there is a race and a fight.
i have told you why i beilieve the runner wins both. does my opinion upset you?
Don't flatter yourself. It would only truly be upsetting if I was a die hard Flash fan and you were revealing to me that Flash isn't as good as I make him out to be. This is kinda like you in terms of Runner's speed. Am I upsetting you? What I am is more disappointed in the type of arguements that people try to make and actually thinks they are getting somewhere.
flattery? where? and you replyied to MY post where i stated my opinion in the beginning dude. you decided to question my opinion and i told you what it was.
I'm done here. Waste of time. Don't even bother replying.
i agree, too bad i noticed this after i was done replying
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