Wally West vs. Thanos - Thread Remake

Cool, thanks for rewording that to be way more clear. I believe other people have already stated that Wally's phasing is different in that it crosses into the speed force partially. This means his phasing could operate on a fundamentally different level than most other character's phasing.

I think I already asked someone how the magic part changes the shield, but never got a reply...

Personally I think it's a reaction feat, just hard to quantify, but don't really care. It's an imaginary fight between imaginary people, not going to get butt hurt over this.

@sheenlantern: Wow... you changed the rules so your guy could win.

@darkraiden: It could be a different angle. but it also doesn't show when Thanos started to lower his hand. He was holding his hand up to hit cap america. So he may have started to lower it to hit cap. The scan also doesn't say how long it took SS to get there. We are not sure how long it took SS to get there. We are not sure when Thanos started lowering his hand. The scan says SS missed and doesn't say why he missed. To many unknowns to support Thanos has light speed reaction IMO. Thanos has been in comics for years. Does he have any other feats to support light speed reaction?

Plenty, just read the story. I don't have the scans of that on me. Of course, you could always refuse to read the story, deny the claim and keep asserting that he needs build-up even though you couldn't prove that if the fate of the world depended on it. It's easier.

Eh, several hundred times since COIE. Come on, it's silly to argue that light is faster than normal in the DCU.

I can give you issue numbers if you actually want proof, but again, it's silly.

@foreverevil: so basically all thanos has to do is teleport Flash away and he wins according to your new found "discovery" that defies all logic

this thread is epic . soooo much "ownage"

We should also remember that Thanos punches faster than a normal human (something laughable like....was it 500mph according to the databook? Or was it mach 500? No that's Black Adam, I think it was 500mph), so that was likely 1 second or less that it took Surfer to cross that distance.

500mph is still 223.52m/s

Assuming his fist is going 2 meters to hit Cap, that gives Surfer less than .009 seconds to cross that distance. I think.

@green_skaar: not going to get butt hurt over this.

Funny you say that.Never understood that term. How does your butt get hurt when debating or thinking?

Must be watching too much Workaholics, where that expression is used a lot! It's just a crass way to express someone getting worked up over something that's usually trivial.

I don't even know what story it is. Maybe I'll look for some scans, maybe not. But Flash has never ever moved that fast from standing still. Also it would make Flash an idiot for letting threats to Earth live when he could just run over 30 million FTL and end them, protecting his family. I can see Flash around 3x FTL close, and can probably build up to as much as 500 FTL, maybe millions eventually. But going from 0 to that is....Flash never does it.

Okay, would you like to read out loud the rest of the "facts"?? The time it happened in, the distance that was crossed and the number of people that were transported? None of these things can be disproved, but the speed that was given can be.

It's 3 against 1, the irrefutable time, units and distance vs. the sketchy and obviously very wrong and extremely disprovable speed..

@cgoodness: Sheen cheated.

Thanos is wearing the INFINITY GAUNTLET. That increases his stats to infinite. He does NOT have the Infinity Gauntlet in this thread so STOP using feats when he has the Infinity Gauntlet

I love that show. I still never understood the meaning . Loose butthole. Tight butthole. Butt hurt. they have a weird addiction to butts.

@pooty: He started out with the gauntlet, then sheen cheated and took it away.

If youre going to say the flash feat cant be used because of what the writer said then this thanos feat cannot be used either. nowhere does it say that he dodged surfer or reacted to surfer or FTL. oh and look who's using real world math on a comic book instance right after claiming that you shouldnt because they are in fact comics. im out of here this thread is over run by people making baseless claims on both characters part.

A) It's called The Human Race

B) No more so than any of other hundred odd heroes who don't pull out all the stops for every threat

C) ............I'm done

Author>calculations. Get over it. You're wrong. Author made a mistake and literally cleared up the confusion in the same panel. it was a sub-light feat for Flash. Not impressive at all.

Changing battle perimeters is not "cheating". It happens a lot when a thread starter accidentally makes a mismatch or forgot to clarify something.

Yes please.

@darkraiden

I don't even know what story it is. Maybe I'll look for some scans, maybe not. But Flash has never ever moved that fast from standing still. Also it would make Flash an idiot for letting threats to Earth live when he could just run over 30 million FTL and end them, protecting his family.

It's called the Speed Force.

What?

sure, but he cant pull it off. cause hes not as fast as flash.

? Referring to what?

.....

I'm just gonna rephrase my last reply.

Okay, would you like to read out loud the rest of the things that are irrefutable because the author said them?? The time it happened in, the distance that was crossed and the number of people that were transported?

Sorry. I misread your post.

@green_skaar: He said current Thanos. Current thanos has the gauntlet. With the gauntlet, Thanos wins.

if supes can touch flash then Thanos can and thats all he needs

Superman #191. There's a bit at the beginning where Superman lists out the things he's faster than, and one of them is light with the standard measurement.

It. Doesn't. Matter. The. Author. Said. It. Was. Not. Even. The. Speed. Of. Light.

He knows what he meant to write and portray, you don't. This is the one times that nothing else int hat seen matters but the text, as it explained the feat 100% in the eyes of the writer. Period.

I think, i could be wrong, but most people assume "current version" does not include outside amps. It is the current version of the character with only their own power unless stated otherwise.

Fascinating, is it possible it could differ from writer to writer?

I'm just trying to come up with an explanation that would please everyone.

Flash has won. There isnt even an argument being made for how Thanos wins. I say that as a spectator on the debates not as someone who wants to get replied to by people with invalid arguments that have already been discarded.

No PIS CIS or WIS allowed as per battle forum rules. My point stands.

It. Does. Matter. The. Author. Said. 3. Other. Things. That. Contradict. That.

3 writer's statements vs 1 writer's statement

Current Thanos doesn't have the gauntlet. Assuming current is from the Infinity arc.

there is a difference between PIS and Consistency. Supes isnt the only one either

im pretty sure Wonder Woman has also. and just recently Supergirl did also (but that doesnt count since this is Pre 52 Flash!)

Nope. His math was off. You're trying to use math to quantify the feat. But he already did it for you. Almost the speed of light.

I'm giving this to The Flash. I don't think Thanos can even react to his movements, especially when bloodlusted and with 5 mins prep Flash can do a lot. He can have Hal (or any other GL for that matter) to examine Thanos' forcefields and stuff (if outside help is allowed during prep).

How?

@darkraiden: Like he did in that scan on the 1st page.

No I mean...how would Hal get there in time, and how and why would he know Thanos has a forcefield? Would it even be up for him to look at? Seems....unlikely.

It doesn't matter because there is a contradiction. Its inconclusive. The writer messed up. It is WIS.

Not sure why it even matters considering there have all ready been other feats which show flash being billions of times faster then light. Just use those.

Yes, and he did it wrong. Forgive me for trying to get the facts right. I didn't know it was an unreasonable thing to do.

Wally can carry Flash. His speedforce aura protects whoever he's holding, plus Hal has his own protection.

@pooty: @green_skaar: Ugh, if he wanted Infinity arch Thanos then why why wasn't that stated firstly?

Thanos has two objectives (so far) in the Infinity arc

1. Find and kill his son.
2. Find one of the infinity gems.

He doesn't have the other gems at this point.