Wally West challenges Thanos (boxing match)

Float like a butterfly sting like a white star .

Flash rope a dope Thanos

The Silver Surfer using his speed and blasting with all he has does nothing to thanos/ has Thanos going " are you done ?"

Silver Surfer casually busts planets/ blows up multiple planets as a side effect of his bust up( out of which he comes uninjured) / releases enough energy to create black holes

This dude does nothing at all to Thanos.

Post crisis Superman never even moonbusted properly. Wallys feats are below Supermans strengthwise. Supermam is not nearly as strong as Surfer. Wally is not nearly as strong as surfer. Surfer does jackshit to Thanos

Thanos can take multiple blows from Odin on a day Odin is busting out enough power to one shot surfer, the dude who chills inside Black holes, no sells exploding planets , surfs supernovas for fun

Finally Thanos can come out with minor scratchesfrom a singularity tha collapsed everything in a two light year radius upon a single point. The diameter of our solar system is about a million millionth of a single light year

Even accepting stuff like Wally can one shot blow up planets ( ha! As if) , hes never going to dish out nearly enough power to make Thanos notice him

That said. If there is a specific time limit, Thanos is never going to land a hit in 15 rounds.

Wally can't hurt him. The Justice League and The Avengers together can't hurt him. But he can't land a hit on Wally either in only so many rounds with no TP/ energy blasts etc. So Stalemate I guess

Wally.

You do realise that Wally hits way harder than Superman?

@greatcaesarsghost: based on what

Yeah, the light projected from his nose would stomp Thanos.

I was normally say Wally but Thanos has energy projectile and matter manipulation when he punches, I dot know if Wally speed force strong enough to take that.

For one it's a boxing match and Wally can land a million blows a second if he wants to, so even if Thanos doesn't fall over, Wally still wins on points.

That said, Wally can definitely harm him now that the shields are off, because even if Thanos is very durable without them, I dont recall him actually being on par with Superman in that department.

That guy in the Flash scan looks A LOT like Magento at first glance.

Post Crisis Superman shattered dimensions(time and space) apart with his punches

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and he lifted Spectre's host body(weight of an eternity) with Wonder Woman

Stalemate.

Thanos wins.
He can change the shape of the ground so Flash can't move likes he wants.

@dorukesin: Narrative hyperbole frankly.

Nothing Wally has ever done suggests he can hit quite as hard. As a direct example, the second scan you posted. Wally doesn't even exceed lightspeed vs Zum. Zum didn't die on impact. Now either Martians have star level durability supported by nothing, any Martian has ever shown especially not that bit were they have been specifically shown a number of times to be weaker than Kryptonians, or thats extreme narrative hyperbole in case of Wally

So which is it? Can Martians tank star busters? Or is that narrative hyperbole?

Again with regards to Zum. Wally faced the Martians again in a later arc and didnt quite show the same kind of one shotting feats/broke his nose /was KOd and eventually only served as a distraction before running away

While that particular showing ignored Wallys obvious speed advantage, it is pretty consistent with Wallys overall hitting power and the Martians' class 100 durability

Its not that Wally cant hurt class 100s with his punches. He most definitely can. Its just that he lacks anywhere near the kind of feats to ONE SHOT class 100s. Heck people ridiculously faster than Wally can't one shot class 100s ( Zoom vs Diana for eg) despite punching them around the planet. When Flash notes that all of his lightspeed punch hits like a white dwarf star( what does that even mean? Hits as hard as the gravitational pull of one? Hits as hard as an exploding sun? As hard as the pressure ? Maybe an equivalent amount of energy as heat released? Er just as hard as crashing into one would hurt?). So when lightspeed alone is enough to one shot Kryotonianish people, why the hell did the lightspeed-ish Jay Garrick fail to one shot Black Adam?

Which is without even addressing stuff like Wallys best feats , not related to jobbing out class 100s involve all of window panes shattering as a side effect. Superman on the other hand shakes the entire planet as a side effect of punching a dude

That .....fight is vs an alt earth superman. DC has an actual thing where interaction with alt earth versions have.....strange consequences. Superman TOUCHING Ultraman annhilated both and created enough energy to power a cosmic idea. Thats not because they are that powerful on their own or together. That is simply a side effect of their interaction

Regarding that particular fight, it happened at a time people were getting magically teleported to alt universes because basically a giant hand was shaping reality to his whims and fancies. There was literally a dude playing around with universes. Reality was in a fragile state to say the least....so the two Supermen living out each others lives each time they touched.....is hardly something to do with strength.

It was literally a side effect of them Interacting. And those issues were....well stating all kinds of things. Like " with a blow that shattered the world we begin again". You can actually see a huge ball of light in the background. You can see alt supermen( red/ electric blue etc) fighting in the background

So when Wonder Woman turned up., was earth two shattered? Nope. Was she even mildly affected by the shock waves of these " reality breaking" punches? Nope. Did she then easily restrain earth2 superman with her rope? Yup. Did earth two superman whose punches shattered " time and space" only fight evenly with earth one superman whose punches ...well don't even KO the likes of Black Adam/ Cap Marvel/ any class 100? Yep.

Is this a valid showing of anyone or anything? Nope.

The last one is hilarious and you used the wrong scan to pursue that sort of logic. Might as well have shown post crisis superman lifting infinity in Final Crisis.

So anyway lets stick with Eternity for now. Post crisis superman vs 616 Eternity. Who wins? Go.

Wally wins by unanimous decision, Thanos won't land a hit whereas Wally would have landed millions by the time the match is over.

ZüM get knocked out because he's as durable as Man of Steel.Panel stated that and do you want to know how durable Man of Steel is ? Martians aren't weaker than Kryptonians panel stated that too

do you even know what white dwar star is ? it's a fanfiction dude

but still you should watch it

Wally just used metaphor there.But sure you didn't understand that

yeah he faced one time later and he has an injury

you're still denying the panel.Martians are as durable as Kryptonians.Thats clearly stated on panel

First of all they're not class 100s.

and really ?

Wally has shattered the Anti Monitor's armor,destroyed the Anti-Matter cannonwhile outracing a speeding tachyon.

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and do you realize how strong Anti Monitor is ?

Pre - Crisis Superman would rip Thanos in half and look at this scan

he bounced off.Just like rest of the Pre-Crisis heroes.

Wally shattered his armor and they couldn't even see him.They couldn't even realize what happened.Which puts him above to Pre Crisis Superman in striking and I guess you should know how strong Pre-Crisis Superman is.

as for Jay Garrick

I guess I answered that

It wasn't Ultraman.It was Kal-L and you showed your DC Knowledge with this comment

dude really what are you talking about ? Did you write this unnecessary things for make a long comment ?

1. They didn't shatter the earth.They shattered the dimension,the time and space
2. and when did she tie Kal-L with her lasso ? can you share a scan for that ? Because I don't have any page like this on my Final -Crisis book
3. Really ?

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guess what ? Teth turned his head back because he knew how strong Clark's punch is and he knew that Clark is a honorable man.It should knock Teth down and Teth was aware of this

for Captain Marvel

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Clark punched him from Metropolis and send him to Hawaii

and your last paragraph lmao

@dorukesin: simmer down pal. There seem to be a couple of misunderstandings

1.Why don't you tell me how durable you think Superman is? In any case , that is Wally making a statement.

The statement being "Martians are as durable as Kryptonians"". That is contradicted by a whole bunch of things, not least Heavens Ladder where Jonn (who solos 6 White Martians on his own) does much worse against Asmodel than Electric blue superman, a weaker version of Superman, not to mention Supermans overall feats being better than Martians

Now are Martians ABOUT as durable as Superman? Sure they are in the same bracket. But Kryptonians as I have said have been shown to be stronger

Which brings us back to the original . Can Wally one shot a Class 100? Not a chance considering his own lack of feats and people faster than him failing to do the same

2.white dwarfs are not fan fiction. These are actual things that exist. So what did Flash mean by a punch as strong as a white dwarf? Which one of the options listed is it?

A second thing. Feats to show a Martian can survive a white dwarf anything

Again I repeat my questions. Does wally hit as hard as a white dwarf or is that narrative hyperbole? If yes, then it automatically means that Martians have star level durability . Why then are they one shotted by Jonn Jonnz , he of struggling to move the planet with 2 others fame. The earth is 1/100 the size of the sun

White Dwarfs have as much mass as the sun and far lesser volume....meaning a ridiculously high density that shits all over our suns

so I would like to see anything, any feats at all for Martians having anywhere close to those power levels

3 . Wally was injured? All of a bloody nose is " injured"? So when Plas has been lasered in half and Kyle has broken his arm, and still Kyle moves the moon.....among the lot of them....you feel Wally was injured....ha. when Wally does things like recover from having burnt his body to death , in pages, you feel Wally was " injured" with a bloody nose. Wow

4.Martians are not as durable as weaker versions of Kryptonians. As clearly stated in a different story by the same writer. White Martians in particular are thumped by a single green Martian when its 6 against one.

Now I expect that silly " bruce wayne is white martian" epic jobbery of a fight to be brought up..

befor you do that, you realise both 6 martians losing / getting one shotted by Jonn and the other story, were written by the same writer,right?

5. Lol Wally beating the Anti Monitor.

I will start with the simple questions.

Wally West .more powerful than Spectre powered by every magician, yes or no?

6. And who do you feel is NOT a class 100 among the people I listed?

7.Jay Garrick does stuff like needing to borrow speed from the likes of Black Adam to hit lightspeed. That particular instance of him moving a few seconds through time ignores this and much else including him running even ( and actually falling slightly behind) Post Crisis Kal, he of " But im not FTL!" Fame

8.You didn't answer anything so much as showing the anti monitor and various PC heroes jobbing the hell out. But thats all right. I finally realised how to debate you

Superman lifted an infinitely heavy book in Superman Beyond

As we know Anti Monitos power topped out at infinity-5 . So post crisis superman is stronger than Anti Monitor! Superman is the strongest hero evah! He lifted infinity and as we know, nothing trumps infinity!

So Superman who lifted infinity beats Wally who only hurt a guy specifically short of infinity and We are Going to Ignore All Their Other Showings in every title from 1985 to 2011 because thats the way to debate!

9.er....hello? Im talking about the anti matter universes Superman , Ultraman ,an alt universe superman , whose very contact with Superman caused them to annhilate each other and behave in never before seen ways

This is an example of alt earth supermen and their fragile relationship with each other

Im using this to point out why . were happening as they did with Kal L

10. While the video is amusing.....you missed the meaning of that sentence altogether. Im talking about a specific issue here. Part 3 of that arc where Kal L fighgs Kal el. The last page of the last issue of Adventures of Supermam

A lot of things were said and shown in that issue.... that never happened in Infinite Crisis. That whole issue, and indeed the whole arc was full of hyperbole

11. Oh wow really?leaving aside you ignoring many things in my post, " they shattered time and space" but not even the city?

You know....im beginning to doubt if you actually read those issues in question. In the very arc where he states that they are "breaking time and space", he also states that a blow " that shatters the world" was delivered

But I guess only the time and space busting selectively happened huh? which had totally nothing to do with alt universe supermen interacting at a time reality was incredibly fragile, right?

2. You are unlikely to find it in Final Crisis.....since it happened in Infinite Crisis

3. I didn't get the " really?". Im asking you how Superman fares against marvels eternity considering according to you, he can lift eternity.

This is pushing it now. Issue number. I want to see if you have any idea what you are talking about

Or I will make it simple for you. Superman traded a no of blows with adam , before that scene, without KOing him

Issue no for the Marvel fight?

Not to mention the fight didn't end there. Marvel wasn't even hurt by the blow and he was holding back to boot

Boring, boring stalemate, ending 0-0 after twelve rounds.

Flash is too fast for Thanos to hit, and Flash would have to go faster than the judges can see his hits and score them to avoid Thanos.

Or maybe Thanos TP's one of Flash's seconds during a ringbreak and have him slip a roofie in Flash's water.

he's able to survive in a explotion which was 50x bigger than a supernova and soaked up enough anti solar energy that was capable of destroying half of a galaxy.But the thing is "Panel" stated White Martians are as durable as Man of Steel so they don't need any feats like that.

J'onn would solo 500 Superman without TP,shall we make a CaV ? J'onn already stomped Clark like a thin toy soldier,he fused him with table like hot knife through butter

are you serious ?

each one of them are equal to an average Kryptonian

why didn't you look at my post ? I shared the whole COIE issue.Just look at my post

I know they're real but DC's White Dwarf Stars' weight are fan fiction.Do you even know that,in "Adventures of Superman, Vol 1, #618" Superman has successfully lifted white dwarf star matter (about the size of a cantaloupe) and used it to restore Earth's gravity temporarily by placing it at the center of the Earth and The Earth's gravity had been temporarily removed by magic.

and Wally used a metaphor.He didn't hit with the force of the white dwarf star you should understand that if you're not 3 years old.He said my fist hits like a white dwarf star

I answered that

It's just a metaphor.If Wally hit with force of a white dwarf star,his force would destroy the whole galaxy.

I'm anwering your question with question ,Why Superman get one shotted by J'onn J'onzz ?

no in the issue he simply had injury and he get blitzed by White Martians with the rest of the Justice League.

and since when we are talking about pulling strength ? or a green lantern ? I didn't feel,it has been clearly stated on panel.Do you really think a white martian would blitz Wally ?

1. Clark has been one shotted by the same green martian and panel stated they're as durable as Man of Steel.I don't see any wrong here

• yes and I don't even understand what you're talking about

Wally just shattered his Armor,which puts him above to Pre-Crisis Superman in striking.

dude what kind of sentence is that ? Ask again

For example Superman.He's 100+

lolwut ? you said "why the hell did the lightspeed-ish Jay Garrick fail to one shot Black Adam?" and I answered your question with my scan.Jay is an old speedster.He mustn't run like Wally or Barry because it causes a heart attack

PC Heroes jobbing the hell out ? You should really stop denying the panel

Pre Crisis Superman said "My most powerfull blows don't even make him blink" and Pre Crisis Superman's most powerfull blows would beat the sh*t out of Thanos

Superman did it with Captain Marvel and it's just raw strength.Even Pre-Crisis Superman couldn't make him blink and you should stop trolling

lot of unnecessery sentences

did you eat too many candy today ? I don't even understand what you're trying to prove me

if you're talking about lifting Spectre's host body "JLA/Spectre: Soul War mini"

and if you're talking about Black Adam and Superman it happened in "Action Comics #831"

I never make a comment if I don't have that issue

Clark wasn't holding back on that fight,though.But still he don't want to give real damage.He thought Adam's guilty and he want him to get judged.But when Adam throwed that little girl to wall,he completely pissed Clark off and then he turned his head back.Because he knew that punch would crush his face.

Issue for Marvel fight sure , "Superman Vol 2 #216" .Billy was holding back because it was Eclipso.But still Clark's body punched him from Metropolis to Hawaii

Arguing against Flash fanatics or Thanos fanatics is a lose lose situation because of the hyperbole existing.

Please note that lifting, and striking force are not the same thing.

Wally, obviously.

Wally stomps hard.

Thanos punches the planet. The planet explodes, Thanos survives, Wally dies.

Does anyone knows if Thanos has Light speed reaction?

@dorukesin: your standards for evidence are getting ridiculous even by ridiculous comicvine standards

1. Superman didn't surve a supernova anything. I .....don't even know how you can claim that if you have have read the issue in question. Pa Kent actually specifically noted that " the radiation would have killed him on contact" . The dude was clearly shown outracing the explosion and even then he wouldn't have made it without his dad's help. Pa Kent again also notes that the dude is actually outracing the light waves themselves from the explosion. I ....don't know how thats him tanking anything

Superman absorbing sunlight or anti sunligh.....is supposed to be impressive? Is him getting sundipped impressive? Is Captain America's shield absorbing kinetic energy impressive??

Heck he actually noted "hmmm I can ABSORB sunlight like crazy....how about anti sunlight?

2. Oh wow. Statements on a panel. Side question. Side question. Is superman faster than Wally? Is Sentry = Galactus? These are by your own logic statements on a panel

These "statements on panel" have the added bonus of not actually being contradicted by the same writer specifically showing Martians to be weaker than weaker Kryptonians to the point of people in that arc going " Jonns good but we need Superman"

3.I am not talking about Jonn beating Superman in anything. Im talking about superman being physically stronger than Jonn , there are actual feats and character presentation backing that up

Fernus' feats are not Jonns feats. Fernus' feats of surprising Superman who still thought Jonn was his friend , are not among his better feats

4. Martians taking Superman by surprise....are not the same as actually physically taking him down head on. Its not the same thing when Mike Tyson takes us a punch in the ring and when Mike Tyson is socked on the jaw while looking the other way thinking about goodtime girls and cheapass movies . The first would see him spit out a tooth and grin. The second would KO him stone cold

Martians most definitely can hurt Superman....the fact that they cant even KO him with a surprise blow to the gut is hardly something credible particularly when the guy who is " oh so far out of Supermans leaguw" Captain Marvel has both one shotted and two shotted him on separate occasions when taking him by surprise

Certainly Superman has never particularly crushed skull/ thrown like a ragged doll Captain Marvel like he did to Martians

And oh , who particularly do you think won that fight there in the scan?

5. I have a) read the issue b) read a bunch of other Flash/ JLA issues that make that whole showing meaningless in terms of Wallys consistent feats

Without even going to the part where Pre Crisis Characters, actual Pre Crisis characters shit all over Wally in terms of actual feats

6. I have actually also read that issue. Since you too have read it, you will know why there were mitigating factors that make the whole feats nebulous with regards to the white dwarf and superman as shown the very first panel we see the star

And also mentioned in that very panel....is that its a FRAGMENT of a star...not an actual star

7. If Wally used a metaphor, that makes the whole feat meaningless or about as meaningful as " power of a million exolodingsuns " other characters dish out

Also assume im a 3 year old. What exactly did that metaphor mean? Gravitational force? A supernova? Force that explodes a couple of windows?

There is a wide range of things the metaphor might mean. To say they vary in scale....is hilarious to say the least

8. When did Jonn one shot him? And same question then. Why did Cap Marvel one shot him?

Why did Bronze Tiger one shot batman?

why do pro wrestlers who burst through tables and chairs and barbed wires get concussions from a single badly timed punch?

How many of these examples were

pretending to be a friend before phasing them / not even physical force

9.you didnt answer that so i will repeat it.What feats do you feel make Martians beings with star level durability

10. Again you are ignoring what I actually said to suit your own purposes

Wally who has feats of coming back to blitz pages after he burned himself to death by friction because of his metabolism, got all ofbloody nose in this issue. He has actually fought previously with a BROKEN nose healing in a couple of panels after crashing into a mountain( the JLA Avengers fallout arc)

Kyle whose healing feats aren't quite as noteworthy had his arm in a sling.....and proceeded to move the moon

Talking about Wallys injuries in such a context is not something that actually works

11. That.....was a one shot? Who do you think won that particular fight?have you even read new world order?

The same writer who gave white martians their best feats later had Superman crushing their skulls and tossing them away like rag dolls/ Jonn soloing 6 of them/ TPing ALL of them

12. No. That puts him above the Spectre powered by every magician on the planet.

Do you think Wally is more powerful than the Spectre?

13. And what makes Superman better than any other class 100. Certainly not crazy out if context stuff like him tanking an explosion that he specifically outraced or him absorbing solar energy

To put this another way. How impressive do you feel superman walking on the sun is? Is it the same thing as say Thor walking on the sun?

14. Whether Jay is an old or young speedster is completely irrelevant since he can and has moved at lightspeed . His punches are at lightspeed, the specific speed determined by Wally when he is one shotting " Man of steel" or talking about God knows what exactly. ..but er ...a white star

So why did Jay fail to KO Adam?

15. No as I have already noted that makes him more powerful than the Spectre who failed to do anywhere near the kind of damage. Is wally more powerful than Spectre?

Thats without going into you ignoring PC Supermans feats that shit all over Wally West's except for that one time he totally hurt a dude he had no business hurting, without going to Lolwut stuff like " Im so fast people who can scan the UNIVERSE in " moments" and then proceed to exit the universe to the point of reality falling apart from their speed and God having to send his errand boy to say ' Yo dawg , slow down , you're going " reality breaks down around you" fast when these dudes are not casually time travelling/ taking punches that send them through time/ altering history/ that crazy metallo feat/ wonder woman flat out disappearing from the universe via speed scanning a planet where earth just about fills up a pond , in a microsecond etc etc that make my best feats look silly"

Anyway back on topic. Wally stronger than Spectre, yes or no?

16. Half of infinity is infinity

If his raw strength is infinite and you treat the feat as valid give me any reason anyone beats infinity?

Also are you actually saying PC Superman wouldn't make post crisis Superman blink?

17. The unnecessary sentences are because you assumed I was calling Kal L ultraman when what I was actually doing was pointing out the way alt universe superman interact

Of course his meetings with Ultraman never happened while a dude was playing around with universes to the point of causing both supermen and wonder woman to split into various alt universe versions .......

Now that I mentioned it you will surely claim thats also something superman can do under his own power

Also. Superman can bust time and space....but not even in the city he is fighting. ANY rational explanation for that?

Hint: this does not happen in Final Crisis :D

18. Im noting that the same arc that stated superman busting time and spacd also had him saying he had shattered the world.

In reality, not even the city was properly destroyed

19. If Clark cant do any real damage even while NOT holding back......does the rest of your sentence even bear reading?

20. A punch which did nothing at all. Cap marvels punches on the other hand have flat out one shotted him

I .....I dunno. I really think you need to take a look at this whole thread and ask yourself if you have any idea what you are talking about.

Either that or you are so ridiculously biased , at this point you are saying anything to go with the flow and support your argument.

Also one final question. If Diana can lift eternity, who wins in Wonder Woman vs Marvel 616 eternity?go.

@dorukesin said:

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Rules

• No escape from ring(also ring is indestructible)
• No shield,no speed steal,no item,no TP etc.
• Out Character
• Bloodlusted
• Fight to the death
• Morals:OFF
• They have knowledge about each other

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• Blue Corner : Thanos
• Red Corner: Wallace

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This fight sort of doesn't make any sense. Wally is too fast for Thanos to hit. But Wally can't really do much damage to Thanos, because of his crazy durability.

I don't know, draw?

Blood lusted Wally takes it. I know Thanos fans will cry about it but the fact is Thanos doesn't have the reaction time to keep up.

Thanos' durability is massively overrated here

Then Wally stomps.

This!

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People are willing to accept the Wally/Antimonitor instance without questioning, and then turn around to disagree with the notion of Superman being = H/P Doomsday despite being portrayed on panel.

Basically, the only way the Anti-Monitor could lose was PiS. Wally just happened to be the tool.

Though based on how Boxing is scored, Flash would win.

Pssh people get mad that Flash wins here a lot and even more mad when cases are made for him and end up usually winning.People can make the claim of Superman=Doomsday but Flash>Superman so it doesn't matter really

Lol it doesn't stop the instance from being PIS riddled, yet people still use it as a legit feat for Wally.

I guess you're right on your second point.

@reaverlation:

Pssh people get mad that Flash wins here a lot and even more mad when cases are made for him and end up usually winning.

People get mad, for good reasons; the cases made for the Flashes are usually ridiculous! The cases made for them tend to rely on using dubious feats with heavy context behind them and relying solely on No Limit Fallacies to make their points. Flash threads usually end up turning into how powerful they should be vs how powerful they are portrayed in their comics.

People can make the claim of Superman=Doomsday but Flash>Superman so it doesn't matter really

I'm talking about H/P Doomsday, the guy who solo'd the Justice League, yet was fighting on par with Superman for a prolonged time. Killemall pointed this out in a thread a while ago and a lot of people got mad and disagreed with him. People argued that Superman should not be able to fight on par with a being who just solo'd a whole team full of powerhouses (including Flash). Yet when the Wally/Antimonitor instance is brought up, no one questions it, they just accept the notion of Wally being more powerful than the entire Pre Crisis Earth combined. It's ridiculous.

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Anyways, based on the rules, Wally should win this.

Wally bloodlusted is capable of punching Thanos to a pulp from all angles. Thanos would never be able to touch him either.

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I know right.

Wally wins

It will take Wally a bunch of punches, and if it is strictly hand to hand, Thanos has no way to connect.

The Anti Monitor feat is about as relevant as Superman lifting an infinitely heavy book

No other feat for either character even remotely approaches those levels they showed that one time over 20+ years

"Thanos' durability is overrated " is a statement made by people who ignore actual , quantifiable feats

HP Doomsday didn't solo the JLA. Doomsday Wars Doomsday with Braniacs telepathic powers did. Superman performed no better than the JLA against this particular version either, being hung by his cape and savagely beaten till he got in his deux ex machina psi blocker

And as with everything involving Doomsday, the PIS in this issue was jaw dropping. Taking down Wally with shock waves( seriously?) And taking down Kyle and Jonn off panel ( "he must have found somw way around his phase powers. " what way lol?)

That whole issue should have begun and ended with Kyle going " Oh Braniac in Doomsdays body. Cool"

Doomsday:" Im better than ever. Im goi..."

* Doomsday dumped in anti matter universe*

Especially considering teleporting him was how they beat him in the end anyway

@ancient_0f_days:

ok ok dawg West wins thanks ta his IMP.

I just aint no expert on West....an' Thanos is a bada** villain so I just said he wins back then, but whatever dafuq, West takes this as much as I hate ta admit it.

2200th post!!!!!!

@rudebomberboy01: You couldn't be farther from the truth.People who know how to actually debate Flash don't do anything you claim whatsoever.Just most people who get mad don't know much,if at all,about the Flash.Like people who claim Flash is a guy who just runs fast or he fights a dumb group of villains when some of his rogues are very powerful.There are those who take it too far(Wally beating Odin for example which is ridiculous)but there are those who display ignorance.

Wrong Doomsday.And like I said:In the end,Flash>Superman.Superman is the one who has to save the day most of the time so of course he ends up doing things like taking on Doomsday when he just finished taking on the Justice League and beating them in either dumb ways through jobbing or off panel.

Exactly. Thanos's durability is time tested. He just tanked Ronan's Universal weapon (which has been used to one shot herald level beings) like it was a back scratcher. His shields have tanked Galactus's blasts long enough that a fed Galactus started to hunger. He essentially needed "stitches" after enduring a black hole.

The Anti-Monitor feat is there for two reasons. One: To give Wally West instant credibility as the Flash. Two: Because Anti-Monitor could only be beaten by the heroes by PiS.

Seriously, if you're the Monitor and you need to defeat the Anti-Monitor, you get Lucifer Morningstar, The Spectre, and other high end beings. You don't seek out the freaking Justice League. They're there because they sell books, not because they could logically do anything to a being wiping out entire universes.

you should stop saying "if you have read the issue" because I've read every single issue which I'm talking about but you couldn't.Because you didn't read those issues.

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in the 5th page,"panel stated the explosion was about 50x bigger than Kepler's Supernova" and it exploded on Clark's face

really ,you must stop judging the panel .

It was anti sunlight and it was capable of destroying half of a galaxy and It's a really great durability feat for Clark.You must ask those questions to writer not me

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what the hell are you talking about ? where did I say Superman is faster than Wally ? you're writing too many unnecessery things you should make your comments multum in parvo,I really bored

J'onn is not physically stronger than Superman.They're pretty much equal and please don't show me that Doomsday saying you're no superman scan

and regular J'onn could cut Boy Prime's legs off the ground off,who's 3x stronger,faster,better than regular Superman

Fernus is just bloodlusted J'onn.

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he didn't take Clark by suprise.Clark has X-Ray Vision,Super Hearing,Super Senses etc. he should be able to detect J'onn.J'onn just simply put him into table

dude really wtf are you talking about ? They didn't take him by surprise.Clark has picosecond reaction speed he's faster than Martians.Not stronger

Also Clark has blitzed Billy's ass and your Billy example was a epic sucker punch of the year.Martians didn't take Clark like Billy's did.

are you sure about that ?

do you even know what you're talking about ?

you're mixed up as hell.You should write short

consistent ? so we should throw Crisis on Infinite Earth issues on garbage right lol

and we actually saw that Wally is >>>>>> than most of the Pre Crisis characters on CoIE.

which issueee ? your comment is so f*cked up.

and where the hell panel said its a fragment of a star not an actual star ? you're making things up

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you still don't know what you're talking about

I could debunk every single word you said because I had every issue on my computer which I'm talking about

It wasn't meaningless.He meant he can his fist is like a white dwarf star.His fists force could knock anybody down

you should research Infinite Mass Punch really

in "JLA #86 - Trial by Fire, Part 3"

because you're writing too many unnecessary things

because Shawn Michaels > Undertaker pfffff what a question

when did I say Martians have star level durability ? They're as durable as Man of Steel

and what you're saying ? White Martians are faster than Wally ?

yes that was a one shot and unlike you I've read every issue which I'm talking about.

prove it dude.I've never seen Superman crushing a white martians skull

Krypto did attacked to 6 white martians on that issue and he buy some time to Clark

Clark took his weapons from Fortress and even for that JLA lost

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on the whole issue all Clark's did is pulling the 1/3 of earth,thats it

lolwut ?

• It exploded on his face
• huh ?
• he moved at lightspeed once and he did steal Adam's kinetic energy on that issue.Adam was going at Mach 500 and no Jay never punched at lightspeed

you should stop asking questions which you already know the answer.

pfffff I really bored.You screwed my holiday with those stupid meaningless questions

Wally wins (definitely can't lose). The point is his punches will hurt Thanos (it can be debated how much, but when they're coming in at lightspeed they will definitely hurt at least a bit). The rest is a question of how long it takes to put him down.

@dorukesin: im sorry I screwed up your holiday. Maybw now you can actually bother to read a comic book before creating stomp threads

If according to you Wally can beat the Anti Monitor, the only reason you could possibly have for making this thread must have been because you assumed Thanos too could beat the Anti Monitor

The alternative is that you ( in your mind) made a stomp thread all so you could have your love for Flash validated by various sections of the Internet .

Depressing as this is, do you seriously have so little confidence in your fav character that you feel the need to put him in ( according to you) stomp threads , to feel validated, while desperately arguing about this being a stomp ( this being the thread you yourself created) even while you are on a holiday, as you claim?

So what is it then ? Thanos is more powerfulthan the Anti Monitor? Or is this a stomp thread?

1. And yet in the 6th page which you haven't bothered to post, Superman is still shown outracing the " explosion RUSHING towards him at lightspeed" which as already noted in the scans you posted would have incinerated him on contact to the point of Pa Kent noting " I don't know if he is usually FTL....but that day he wasn't going to make it" and having to rescue him before the light reached him

I mean even if you haven't actually read the issue , ( which im not saying you haven't, you just must have MISSED the next page, riight? ) , even from the scans you yourself posted, it is noted that he would have been killed on contact from the explosion moving at lightspeed.....which he is shown clearly outracing in the last panel

Either you missed the next page, or you don't understand English, or you are ignoring feats

2. If I were to actually call up Grant Morrison I wouldn't be talking about Galactic forces, no sir.i would be asking him about Supermans infinite strength of course. And then id ring up Siegel and Shuster in heaven and ask them what they think about their " onlys stronger than a locomotive" Superman bench pressing the planet and all . Then Id ring up every Superman writer ever and ask them for their opinions on this thread

Or you know, I could just stick to consistent feats

Also Superman absorbing sunlight is about as impressive as Iceman walking around naked in the arctic, or Johnny storm putting his hand in a fireplace. Or absorbing man absorbing anything

So again I ask you, is Clark walking on the sun " a great durability feat for him"?

3.No what you said was " Martians are as durable as man of steel". That is a statement on panel backed up by nothing at all.

Superman saying he outreacts by Wally is also a statement backed by nothing at all. And has the added bonus of not being contradicted by the same writer showing weaker Kryptonians to be stronger than Martians or indeed...beating them in this very arc where the statement was made

And oh since you have trouble understanding my english, just to be clear, I , ME, I said Superman is faster than Wally, going by your logic of accepting on panel statements

4.Jonn Jonnz is not physically stronger than Superman nor even his equal . Martians in general have been shown to be weaker than Kryptonians multiple times including by the same writer in that same arc, who said Martians= Krptonians

You just said " superman and Jonn are pretty much equal strengthwise" then proceeded to post scans of Jonn knocking about a dude " 3X faster, stronger etc" than a normal Kryptonian.

So Whicih is it? Are they equal or is Jonn 3 times stronger than Superman?make up your mind

Also going by that hilarious logic, how much stronger is Conner Kent than Jonn considering he actually made Prime BLEED?

5.bloodlusted jonn is not fernus. Not unless you feel bloodlusted jonn somehow gets over genetic blocks/ becomes immune to fire/ develops an alternate split personality which he has to rip out of his own body, physically

Martians also have super hearing/ vision/ senses speed/ and then some.

You put forward an argument where CaptainMarvel selectively can get over supermans super hearing/ whatever to take him by surprise but ppeople with actual feats and powers for the same can't do the same

Especially when you say things like Martians are 3X faster and stronger than Krptonians while others who have been identified / shown as equals in actual fights can only sneak up on him

Also how many times were these other class 100s pretending to be a friend before phasing not even physically attacking him

Then you proceed to post scans of the fight which BEGIN with Superman being phased through the table. When the last time we sawww him in the issue , he was still chatting with Jonn as a friend

6. And now you completely ignore your very own " heres Jonn knocking about a dude 3X Times faster than a Superman" to say " Martians aren't faster than Superman!"

ignoring your latest inconsistency, if Martians are NOT faster than Superman , then superman NOT heat visioning them in a picosecond, is by your own logic, utter PIS

And frankly, scans of Superman reacting in a picosecond?

7.In fact since you seem to be ignoring all my questions, the scans you posted of Primaid sucker punching Superman, let me ask again. Who do you feel won that fight?

Also clarify this. Are Martians 3X faster than Kryptonians , making that fight PIS , or are they NOT as fast as a Kryptonian with you know eye beams that set things on fire,......making that fight, PIS again

Superman sucker punching Billy with super speed is about as relevant as Billy sucker punching / blitzing Clark while Power Girl distracted him by shoving her tongue down his throat

8. Im not saying COIE should be ignored

Im saying that Flash two parter which showed Wally West showing power levels not seen before or since, to the point of doing more damage than a dude who holds apart universes

This issue also flat out ignored the speed / strength / every feat over 50 years for PC characters in order to show how awesome wally was

We never so Wally do anything noteworthy at all in COIE. We saw him do all kinds of stuff in a later retcon

this is like Superman in For all Seasons LOLnoping a nuclear warhead in his hand whilw flat out ignoring him being KOd for a full 30 min by a nuke in Brynes issues.

What makes it even more unbelievable is that the nuke thing is chronologically set BEFORE thw nuke in Brynes issues when he was weaker still, this retcon being released at a time where Brynes origin story was official canon

9.well that certainly is NOT the adventures of superman issue in question which noted it was a fragment that weighed a 100 tons

Again what exactly do you mean by a white dwarf star punch? The gravitational force of one? The explosion of one? A punch that destroys windw panes?

We know that at lightspeed Wally hits like a " white dwarf star". We know that he hit Zum at lightspeed. We know Zum survived

Either Martians have durability equal to an edploding star/or that whole feat is a meaningless metaphor for a " really strong punch"

infinite mass punch by itself is a misnomer considering you just went from " White Martian tanked a punch= white star" to " White Martian tanked a punch= Infinity"

Which is it? How powerful exactly do you feel Wallys punches are, on a consistent basis oved 20 years?

And you said " his fists could KO ANYBODY". Wally vs Lucifer then. Who wins?

10. No again you completely misunderstood my point. Sarcasm seems lost on you

Anyway Billy KOd Superman because he is just as strong and caught him by surprise

Bronze Tiger KOd Batman because he is justas strong and caught him by surprise. To the point of Batman noting " I wasnt expecting that" and their second fight in the same issue running even ( despite ben yknow one shotting Bruce earlier)

This is an actual thing in comics

As an example in real life, pro wrestlers like Mick Foley fall off 30 feet and get back up smiling. Yet they get concussions from one mistimed blow/ one blow they are not tensed for.

That is the difference between someone clocking you by surprise and the same guy delivering the same blow when you are prepared to meet it

11. How does " Wally has healed froma broken nose in pages" ....translate to " Martians are faster than him?". My god

That whole showing of Wally failing to deal similar punches against WM was dismissed by you on the grounds of " Wally had a broken nose"

How the hell do you explain Wally not one shotting the Martians like he did before at all of lightspeed?

that wally was jobbing out spedwise does not in any way excuse Wallys punches not having the same impact especially when others in the arc slap around dozens of Martians before getting overhwelmed

12. That....wasn't a one shot. Asking you to check up issues you don't have is pointless, I now realize.

Superman got back up from that punch and beat the chick before the other came up and beat him. Not physically. Via Kryptonite

13.Clark crushed a Martians by grabbing him by his head underwater and then tossing him away like a rag doll for Jonn to use another as a bat and smack the dude Supermsn just tossed at him for a home run

This happened before they got to the fortress. When Jonn first escaped to destroy the towers and rescue them

14. " all" Clark did was move the earth? While Wally did nothing at all in that issue.

I mean sure Wally should have soloed them with a couple of hundred punches each. But thats not necessary is it? When all Wally had to do was connect ONE punch to end it according to you. Wally failed to do any such thing

Kyle on the other hand despite having his arm in a sling and no healing feats moved 1/3 of the moon. If you are in, this context, trying to talk about Wally not performing because of all of a bloody nose, its not something that actually works

14.I asked you a simple question. Is Wally West more powerful than the Spectre? Yes or no?

15.I don't know..im confused. If according to you Wally hurting the Anti Monitor is a valid feat, Wally being faster than PC heroes is a valid feat.....then Wally must be stronger than Spectre right?

I mean that is what YOU are trying to say after all. That Wally can do things that the Spectre cant.

15.And now you stopped answering questions .....at all. Which is a relief I guess considering WHAT you were trying to claim for characters

And oh the Jay Garrick thing. The dude has gone lightspeed on his own just fine. So has Superman. So has Jonn. Why then can only Wally one shot class 100s with lihhtspeed punches?

Anyway Im done. You made a stomo thread ( in your opinion) all to feel validated on the internet. I frankly have no interest debating this any longer