Wally vs Barry - Racing

So who wins between the two Flash when it comes to racing? Wally or Barry?

Wally is way faster

@age_of_ultron_Prime2000:

but Barry outran death during Final Crisis so he might have a chance. Barry ran through darkseid while being chased by death, and death took the now grievously injured darkseid (thanks to batman and hismagic bullet) because Barry was too much of a hassle and batman didn't die from the omega beams because, Death was busy.

@Proxicide: Wally has also outran death. I believe twice.

Well i'm not an expert on the Flashes but i know that Wally is faster because he knows how to control the Speed Force so by my logic that makes him faster.

@xeon1cs: Wait wait, Wally outraced Death to a point in time where death ceased to exist as a concept, right?

If nothing exists to the point where death disappeared then shouldn't the flash disappear too?

Wally

@Proxicide said:

@xeon1cs: Wait wait, Wally outraced Death to a point in time where death ceased to exist as a concept, right?

If nothing exists to the point where death disappeared then shouldn't the flash disappear too?

Speed Force yo.

Don't think about it too long or your head will explode.

@Proxicide said:

@xeon1cs: Wait wait, Wally outraced Death to a point in time where death ceased to exist as a concept, right?

If nothing exists to the point where death disappeared then shouldn't the flash disappear too?

Speed Force.

Sense.

Pick one.

He just kept running throughout nothingness.

@Decoy Elite: wait, one last question.

then wouldn't the speed force shouldn't exist as a concept at that point?

@Proxicide: Well now that I think about i-*head explodes*

@Proxicide said:

@Decoy Elite: wait, one last question.

then wouldn't the speed force shouldn't exist as a concept at that point?

Speed Force was weaved into pretty much everything and anything.

Just accept it.

The Speed Force has always been DC's deus ex machina.

@xeon1cs:

No death = past heat death of universe, meaning no movement and no speed force. If the speed force is pumped into the universe then the concept of death revives.

@Proxicide said:

@xeon1cs:

No death = past heat death of universe, meaning no movement and no speed force. If the speed force is pumped into the universe then the concept of death revives.

Why are you trying to make sense of a fictional thing?

He broke the barrier to reality, and kept going. There's no need to make sense of it, it just happened.

@xeon1cs: Alright I'll stop now

@Proxicide: If you think thats bad then think about this.He was present when the second big bang happened,the universe would be the size of dust yet he somehow was in it.He also has become omnipresent IIRC by running so fast.

@Proxicide said:

@age_of_ultron_Prime2000:

but Barry outran death during Final Crisis so he might have a chance. Barry ran through darkseid while being chased by death, and death took the now grievously injured darkseid (thanks to batman and his fucking magic bullet) because Barry was too much of a hassle and batman didn't die from the omega beams because, Death was busy.

Wally was right next to him when he did all those things so i think in racing they're the same though wally may be able to pull of a win cuz he has more knowlege on how the speed force works n if it was a fight then ill give it to wally fr the same reason[man i really miss him :'( ]

@Proxicide said:

@xeon1cs:

No death = past heat death of universe, meaning no movement and no speed force. If the speed force is pumped into the universe then the concept of death revives.

dude thats deep......lol!

@Skit: Damn, that's just... I don't even know anymore

@Proxicide said:

So who wins between the two Flash when it comes to racing? Wally or Barry?

Wally's got better speed feats and, if allowed, can speed steal to increase his speed (not from Barry, per se, just from other things that exist). I assume you're forbidding time travel, otherwise Wally finishes the race 14billion years before it started and chills out at the big bang.

Wally West,

Zoom.

This is a dumb thread, Wally may have the better feats, but Wally is not faster than Barry, considering Barry was the the reason the speedforce existed and became the true avatar of the speedforce before new 52. So please stop saying wally is faster because he's not.

@Blacharrt1 said:

This is a dumb thread, Wally may have the better feats, but Wally is not faster than Barry, considering Barry was the the reason the speedforce existed and became the true avatar of the speedforce before new 52. So please stop saying wally is faster because he's not.

We tend to value feats over assertions, even assertions that come from the comics themselves. That being said, I don't know of any feats that Wally has done that Barry hasn't done at least as well...I'd say it's a tie.

id like to say barry but the fastest hes ran is 10 million times the speed of light, while i think wallys ran 13 trillion times the speed of light.

@AllStarSuperman said:

id like to say barry but the fastest hes ran is 10 million times the speed of light, while i think wallys ran 13 trillion times the speed of light.

Where are you getting those numbers?

@Equonox: 10 million of barrys wikipedia, 13 trillion off that image of wally saving all those people from a nuclear explosion.

@Decoy Elite: He ran to the end of time where death has no meaning

Wally!!!

@Equonox said:

@Blacharrt1 said:

This is a dumb thread, Wally may have the better feats, but Wally is not faster than Barry, considering Barry was the the reason the speedforce existed and became the true avatar of the speedforce before new 52. So please stop saying wally is faster because he's not.

We tend to value feats over assertions, even assertions that come from the comics themselves. That being said, I don't know of any feats that Wally has done that Barry hasn't done at least as well...I'd say it's a tie.

it's not an assertion it's a fact. The speedforce allows all speedsters to do what they do. Barry from the story in rebirth was said to have created the Speedforce and he also became the true wielder of the speedforce. Um that is supported, not assertion. Doesn't matter the feats, it only matters that one of them has more control over the speedforce than the other which would determine the outcome.

@Blacharrt1 said:

@Equonox said:

@Blacharrt1 said:

This is a dumb thread, Wally may have the better feats, but Wally is not faster than Barry, considering Barry was the the reason the speedforce existed and became the true avatar of the speedforce before new 52. So please stop saying wally is faster because he's not.

We tend to value feats over assertions, even assertions that come from the comics themselves. That being said, I don't know of any feats that Wally has done that Barry hasn't done at least as well...I'd say it's a tie.

it's not an assertion it's a fact. The speedforce allows all speedsters to do what they do. Barry from the story in rebirth was said to have created the Speedforce and he also became the true wielder of the speedforce. Um that is supported, not assertion. Doesn't matter the feats, it only matters that one of them has more control over the speedforce than the other which would determine the outcome.

I'm not refuting the whole creator/master of the speed force thing, I'm refuting whether or not that means that by default he is faster than Wally. Show me a scan that says because he is the creator of the speed force he is faster, otherwise you are making a conclusion not supported by evidence (no matter how reasonable you think said conclusion is)

Wally is faster than Barry.

@AllStarSuperman said:

id like to say barry but the fastest hes ran is 10 million times the speed of light, while i think wallys ran 13 trillion times the speed of light.

@xeon1cs said:

@Proxicide: Wally has also outran death. I believe twice.

Well...yeah.

He ran outside of known space time....where death ceased to exist on a conceptual level. Was there really a second time? I was not aware....

@Blacharrt1 said:

@Equonox said:

@Blacharrt1 said:

This is a dumb thread, Wally may have the better feats, but Wally is not faster than Barry, considering Barry was the the reason the speedforce existed and became the true avatar of the speedforce before new 52. So please stop saying wally is faster because he's not.

We tend to value feats over assertions, even assertions that come from the comics themselves. That being said, I don't know of any feats that Wally has done that Barry hasn't done at least as well...I'd say it's a tie.

it's not an assertion it's a fact. The speedforce allows all speedsters to do what they do. Barry from the story in rebirth was said to have created the Speedforce and he also became the true wielder of the speedforce. Um that is supported, not assertion. Doesn't matter the feats, it only matters that one of them has more control over the speedforce than the other which would determine the outcome.

I can create a gun, that does not make me a better marksman than anyone else. Wally has greatly, greatly overshadowed any speed feat that Barry has ever even dreamed of putting out. It's like comparing Post Crisis Superman to SA Superman.

Wally.

Wally wasn't fast enough to beat the Reboot...:D

@Shawnbaby said:

Wally wasn't fast enough to beat the Reboot...:D

FUCKIN DC COMICS

:(

rip wally

wally

@Malevolent1:They both kept ahead of the Black Racer in Final Crisis.

Hard to say