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#1 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

In character

On an abandoned planet

Sorry if this is a stomp for Thor. In Vulcans page it says, "it can be argued that Vulcan is a match for other god-like heroes or villains such as Silver Surfer or Onslaught."

#2 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

In character

On an abandoned planet

Sorry if this is a stomp for Thor. In Vulcans page it says, "it can be argued that Vulcan is a match for other god-like heroes or villains such as Silver Surfer or Onslaught."

It is a stomp. Mjolnir can drain energy to higher degree (at least it has better feats) and Vulcan never matched Thor's strength level. Gladiator one-shotted him.

#3 Edited by King Saturn (223834 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor should be able to defeat Vulcan.

#4 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is a complete stomp and no one can provide an argument for Vulcan I'll delete this post. Didnt mean it as spite or anything like that.

#5 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is a complete stomp and no one can provide an argument for Vulcan I'll delete this post. Didnt mean it as spite or anything like that.

No problem, simply there can be no case for Vulcan.

Thor has every Vulcan power (energy drainning, ability to fly, energy projection) in higher level and a lot of other powers.

#6 Posted by comic_book_fan (5312 posts) - - Show Bio

i wouldn't call it a stomp i think vulcan could win.

#7 Posted by cfrehse (1004 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: When did gadiator one shot him? I read war of kings i musta missed it. I only read the main six issues though

#8 Posted by cfrehse (1004 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont think its a stomp for thor. Vulcan is crazy powerful. He took a roar from blackbolt and survived it. I know that would have def hurt thor at least

#9 Edited by Simon_the_digger (2855 posts) - - Show Bio

Mjolnir to the head.

#10 Edited by comic_book_fan (5312 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

Would an in character Vulcan be more quickly inclined to take Thors powers, than Thor would?

#12 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

i wouldn't call it a stomp i think vulcan could win.

In what way? He has completly no power that can hurt Thor. And his physical stats are nothing compared to Thor.

@cfrehse said:

@czarny_samael666: When did gadiator one shot him? I read war of kings i musta missed it. I only read the main six issues though

When Vulcan came to Shi'ar and attacked Imperial Guard. Much before WoK.

#13 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2855 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@ferdelance: Can Vulcan just de-power Mjolnir?

No chance.

1.What would he drain from it?

2.Mjolnir has higher drainning feats than Vulcan, so it would be Mjolnir drainning Vulcan, rather than opposite.

#16 Edited by Simon_the_digger (2855 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Drain what exactly?,only way I see Vulcan winning if he could shut down Thor's brain, I have a scan of him doing that but I can't upload it...

#17 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: How long would it take for Vulcan to drain its power? If Vulcan does it before Thor does why do you think Thor can then think "oh hey he's draining my power, let me start to drain his", instead of it already being too late and Thor not having any power?

#18 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

what would Vulcan drain from Mjolnir?? It has some kind of energy right? Vulcan drains energy.

#19 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Drain what exactly?,only way I see Vulcan winning if he could shut down Thor's brain, I have a scan of him doing that but I can't upload it...

Never done on someone with Thor's level of durability.

@czarny_samael666: How long would it take for Vulcan to drain its power? If Vulcan does it before Thor does why do you think Thor can then think "oh hey he's draining my power, let me start to drain his", instead of it already being too late and Thor not having any power?

1.No, it would be Mjolnir drainning Vulcan, not Vulcan drainning Mjolnir. There is nothing to drain from Mjolnir.

2.Thor can't be drained. Similar about Mjolnir.

3.Thor can one-shot Vulcan with his hammer. As did Gladiator.

#20 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: Why cant he drain Thor? Vulcans main power is to drain energy. I guess if Thor can't be de-powered Vulcan has no chance.

#21 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth said:

@czarny_samael666: Why cant he drain Thor? Vulcans main power is to drain energy. I guess if Thor can't be de-powered Vulcan has no chance.

Because Thor doesn't have any energy that can be drained.

Hal Jordan has limited source of energy. Similar Hulk, Superman or Iron Man, but not Thor, Destroyer or Thanos.

Vulcan actually has limitted amount of energy. Not Mjolnir or Thor.

#22 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: I mean, not to get all technical when this is comics not real life but, everything uses energy to move. Whether its mitochondria producing ATP's or plants using photosynthesis. Thor has to get power from somewhere. Hasn't Odin stripped him of his power? Stands to reason that he can have his power taken away then.

#23 Edited by spiderbuck (2449 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor, ten out of ten times.

#24 Edited by New_World_Order (12604 posts) - - Show Bio

#25 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: I mean, not to get all technical when this is comics not real life but, everything uses energy to move. Whether its mitochondria producing ATP's or plants using photosynthesis. Thor has to get power from somewhere. Hasn't Odin stripped him of his power? Stands to reason that he can have his power taken away then.

Vulcan never done anything like that, that is why we don't see him doing it.

#26 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth said:

@czarny_samael666: I mean, not to get all technical when this is comics not real life but, everything uses energy to move. Whether its mitochondria producing ATP's or plants using photosynthesis. Thor has to get power from somewhere. Hasn't Odin stripped him of his power? Stands to reason that he can have his power taken away then.

Vulcan never done anything like that, that is why we don't see him doing it.

He can apparently use his energy manipulation to suppress powers, but Thor's physiology might be different, though his Mjolnir can probably be manipulate to some degree (Magneto has done that, and Vulcan in theory should be more powerful than Magneto).

#27 Edited by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: I mean, not to get all technical when this is comics not real life but, everything uses energy to move. Whether its mitochondria producing ATP's or plants using photosynthesis. Thor has to get power from somewhere. Hasn't Odin stripped him of his power? Stands to reason that he can have his power taken away then.

I'm not expert on Vulcan or Thor but i'm also thinking that Vulcan can hurt Thor. Every thing has energy. Vulcan affected the electrical current in Rachel's mind and she has the Phoenix force. i don't see why he can't shut down the electrical current in Thor's mind. as you said, Vulcan took an unprotected roar from Black Bolt and came back. People talk about how Gladiator one-shot Vulcan, but Vulcan took on The Imperial Guard and had an extended battle with Gladiator. Vulcan also manipulated or shut down Adam warlock magic and said magic is nothing but energy. Vulcan has a chance. here is the scan of him shutting down Phoenix mind and taking away Cyclops power.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/128/xmendeadlygenesis01page222zl.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/507/xmendeadlygenesis2080ny.jpg/

#28 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

yea i think he beats thor too maybe

#29 Posted by dondave (34674 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulcan

#30 Posted by NeoRunnerNova (3 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor should win if he fights smart.

#31 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

yea i think he beats thor too maybe

No chance for that. Not even slightest one. Thor is leagues above Vulcan in every possible area. Every area. Serisously.

Thor should win if he fights smart.

He just throw his hammer on Vulcan face and Vulcan is KOd or dead.

@dondave said:

Vulcan

As above.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@inconvenient_truth said:

@czarny_samael666: I mean, not to get all technical when this is comics not real life but, everything uses energy to move. Whether its mitochondria producing ATP's or plants using photosynthesis. Thor has to get power from somewhere. Hasn't Odin stripped him of his power? Stands to reason that he can have his power taken away then.

Vulcan never done anything like that, that is why we don't see him doing it.

He can apparently use his energy manipulation to suppress powers, but Thor's physiology might be different, though his Mjolnir can probably be manipulate to some degree (Magneto has done that, and Vulcan in theory should be more powerful than Magneto).

When has he done it? I mean when after Darwin escaped from his body? Mjolnir will manipulate Vulcan, not opposite.

Mjolnir abosrbed Grandmaster's bomb, Nega Bomb and planet's energy to attack a Celestial. When Vulcan has done anything near that level?

@pooty said:

@inconvenient_truth said:

@czarny_samael666: I mean, not to get all technical when this is comics not real life but, everything uses energy to move. Whether its mitochondria producing ATP's or plants using photosynthesis. Thor has to get power from somewhere. Hasn't Odin stripped him of his power? Stands to reason that he can have his power taken away then.

I'm not expert on Vulcan or Thor but i'm also thinking that Vulcan can hurt Thor. Every thing has energy. Vulcan affected the electrical current in Rachel's mind and she has the Phoenix force. i don't see why he can't shut down the electrical current in Thor's mind. as you said, Vulcan took an unprotected roar from Black Bolt and came back. People talk about how Gladiator one-shot Vulcan, but Vulcan took on The Imperial Guard and had an extended battle with Gladiator. Vulcan also manipulated or shut down Adam warlock magic and said magic is nothing but energy. Vulcan has a chance. here is the scan of him shutting down Phoenix mind and taking away Cyclops power.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/128/xmendeadlygenesis01page222zl.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/507/xmendeadlygenesis2080ny.jpg/

Vulcan can't do it anymore, at least not what he has done to Jean and Scott, since he was depowered at the end of X-M Deadly Genesis. He was separated from Darwin by Marvel Girl.

Adam Warlock had energy that could be drained from him, Thor doesn't have any.

Gladiator could end this battle whenever he wanted. But other IG are nothing like Thor. None of them is that strong and none of them has similar powers (or its level) to Thor.

When has he affected Rachel's mind?

#32 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: in the scans he shut down the electrical impulses in her brain. I thought that was a part of his original power set. If he can still do that, that can defeat Thor

#33 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@czarny_samael666: in the scans he shut down the electrical impulses in her brain. I thought that was a part of his original power set. If he can still do that, that can defeat Thor

1.Thor's durability > X-Men durability. Not too mention his godly orgin.

2.I don't recall Vulcan doing it since X-M:DG.

#34 Edited by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

1) i have seen nothing that says or implies Thor's brain does not have electrical pulses. If Vulcan can control massive amounts of energy then the tiny amount of energy generated by electrical pulses are nothing for him.

2) energy manipulation is his original power set. Being separated from darwin should not have affected that. Vulcan was controlling energy in War of kings so it appears he still has his powers

#35 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@czarny_samael666:

1) i have seen nothing that says or implies Thor's brain does not have electrical pulses. If Vulcan can control massive amounts of energy then the tiny amount of energy generated by electrical pulses are nothing for him.

2) energy manipulation is his original power set. Being separated from darwin should not have affected that. Vulcan was controlling energy in War of kings so it appears he still has his powers

1.He never defeated anyone in Thor's level, that is the point.

2.But after depowering he never done that, so there is reason to belive that he still can.

#36 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@czarny_samael666:

1) i have seen nothing that says or implies Thor's brain does not have electrical pulses. If Vulcan can control massive amounts of energy then the tiny amount of energy generated by electrical pulses are nothing for him.

2) energy manipulation is his original power set. Being separated from darwin should not have affected that. Vulcan was controlling energy in War of kings so it appears he still has his powers

1.He never defeated anyone in Thor's level, that is the point.

2.But after depowering he never done that, so there is reason to belive that he still can.

1) what does physical power level have to do with electrical brain activity? He is not attacking his physical brain. Electrical currents are electrical currents. I doubt the electrical currents in Thor's brain are more powerful then black bolt's blast or warlocks magic

2) He lost the powers that Darwin gave him. As stated, Vulcan is still manipulating energy. Electrical brain waves are a form of energy, correct?

#37 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

1.He never defeated anyone in Thor's level, that is the point.

2.But after depowering he never done that, so there is reason to belive that he still can.

1) what does physical power level have to do with electrical brain activity? He is not attacking his physical brain. Electrical currents are electrical currents. I doubt the electrical currents in Thor's brain are more powerful then black bolt's blast or warlocks magic

2) He lost the powers that Darwin gave him. As stated, Vulcan is still manipulating energy. Electrical brain waves are a form of energy, correct?

1.You don't know how it will work. Vulcan's only victims to this attack were X-Men. Normal people. It is not like Vulcan would be able to take on Galactus with this power.

2.You can't be sure how Vulcan managed to this. To my knowledge he never done that again. Until You have scan in which he did, it is not an option.

#38 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

1) Thor is physiology is not much different then human. he is stronger more durable but he bleeds and has been koéd. he has also been mind controlled. Vulcan did it to a Phoenix weilder. Rachel's mental powers far surpass Thor's. Again energy is energy. there is no difference.

2) I do know how he managed it: He shut down the electrical pulses in their brains. He shut down a sentinenls power also. again proving that energy is energy whether it's mutant, machine or magic. Vulcan has controlled it all.

3) Vulcan proves he can manipulate the energy inside of other people. even if it's their own natural powers:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/128/5td4.jpg/

and here is his official bio. the very first sentence under abilities say: Vulcan can manipulate "ALL FORMS OF ENERGY"

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=403618&pagenumber=9

#39 Edited by Fernando072295REBORN (502 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor beats him every time but Vulcan can put up a fight.

#40 Posted by Skaddix (3112 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say Vulcan would win if he had the powers of Darwin. Primarily because Darwin has so far been shown to be unkillable without those powers though he loses.

#41 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@czarny_samael666:

1) Thor is physiology is not much different then human. he is stronger more durable but he bleeds and has been koéd. he has also been mind controlled. Vulcan did it to a Phoenix weilder. Rachel's mental powers far surpass Thor's. Again energy is energy. there is no difference.

2) I do know how he managed it: He shut down the electrical pulses in their brains. He shut down a sentinenls power also. again proving that energy is energy whether it's mutant, machine or magic. Vulcan has controlled it all.

3) Vulcan proves he can manipulate the energy inside of other people. even if it's their own natural powers:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/128/5td4.jpg/

and here is his official bio. the very first sentence under abilities say: Vulcan can manipulate "ALL FORMS OF ENERGY"

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=403618&pagenumber=9

1.Thor physilogy can't be even similar to humans. He is immortal, his mind can't be normally affected by telepaths, he can open dimensions by his godly powers (warping reality?). He can survive in space and in core of star. He is nothing like a man. Besides, point is that Vulcan never done it to more durable beings than humans. By the same logic we could say that Vulcan can turn off Thanos' mind, Stranger's mind or Galactus' one. We don't know what kind of defences he would put thus, I don't see Vulcan affecting anyone similar to Thor by this kind of attack.

2.You don't understand - "You don't know how Vulcan has done it" means that You don't know if he has done it by his own power or thanks to all powers he had thanks to Darwin. You can't use any feat that was made when they were fused.

3.I know that Vulcan can manipulate all forms of energy - so can Mjolnir, but Mjolnir has done it in higher level.

BTW, Your links turns off my mozzila and thanks to them I had to rewrite my post...

@skaddix said:

I would say Vulcan would win if he had the powers of Darwin. Primarily because Darwin has so far been shown to be unkillable without those powers though he loses.

I agree with that. Darwin would evolve to be worthy of Mjolnir and possibly even change into some god-eater or something. If he can take out Hela, he can take out Thor.

#42 Edited by dondave (34674 posts) - - Show Bio

He just throw his hammer on Vulcan face and Vulcan is KOd or dead.

@dondave said:

Vulcan

As above.

If Thor threw his hammer at Vulcan it wouldn't hit him he'd just redirect it to hit Thor

#43 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

lol

#44 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:
@czarny_samael666 said:

He just throw his hammer on Vulcan face and Vulcan is KOd or dead.

@dondave said:

Vulcan

As above.

If Thor threw his hammer at Vulcan it wouldn't hit him he'd just redirect it to hit Thor

No, he wouldn't. Simply because there is nothing to suggest he could do it.

#45 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

sorry guys, i thought that a "omega level" mutant that absorbs energy could take thors energy, but apparently thats impossible

#46 Edited by dondave (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by pooty (10838 posts) - - Show Bio

sorry guys, i thought that a "omega level" mutant that absorbs energy could take thors energy, but apparently thats impossible

it's not impossible. Our bodies carry electrical impulses which are energy. he shut off adam warlocks magic which is immensely strong and fought the Imperial Guard and Gladiator. his power is to manipulate energy. that involves stealing, redirecting and depowering. it is possible

#48 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: well people keep saying he cant do it.

#49 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@czarny_samael666: He did it to Cyclops

He did what to Cyclops? Used Scott's magical hammer against him?

Cyke is using an energy, so it completly understandable that Vulcan manipulated this energy.

Mjolnir isn't energy.

@pooty said:

@inconvenient_truth said:

sorry guys, i thought that a "omega level" mutant that absorbs energy could take thors energy, but apparently thats impossible

it's not impossible. Our bodies carry electrical impulses which are energy. he shut off adam warlocks magic which is immensely strong and fought the Imperial Guard and Gladiator. his power is to manipulate energy. that involves stealing, redirecting and depowering. it is possible

Our bodies.

And Vulcan did it to human body not god's one.

Plus he didn't do it since he was depowered. He can't do it anymore.

So, no, it isn't possible. Not accroding to what we've seen. Besides, saying that he "fought" Gladiator is... well, unaccurate. Gladiator one-shotted him. And Mjolnir will do the same. Vulcan never won a battle with someone as strong as Thor. He never had to face enemy with greater energy manipulation.

#50 Posted by dondave (34674 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: Thor's Hammer produces Kinetic Energy as it moves, Vulcan just has to redirect it Thor. As shown by Hulk, Thor doesn't react well to having his hammer hit him in the face.