Voldemort vs. The Witch King

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#1 Edited by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

vs.

20 minutes to prep.

Both are at full power. Battle takes place in a valley near Mordor, who wins ?

#2 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

this shouldn't be a stomp match

#3 Posted by Bo88gdan (4126 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

The Witch King cut his head

#4 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Bo88gdan: it shouldnt be that easy bro, voldemort has magical powers

#5 Posted by NeonGameWave (5107 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

It could go either way.

#6 Posted by Bo88gdan (4126 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@fatalsniper728: Witch King owned Gandalf the White

#7 Posted by theONEtaichou (546 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Stalemate... Witch king cannot be killed by a man and Riddle is too powerful to be felled by his opponent... although I guess Voldemort can use a transfiguration spell and turn himself into a woman then kill the witch king. Voldy ftw?!?!

#8 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@theONEtaichou: good point, i think this is one of the better matches ive posted

#9 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (2686 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@theONEtaichou: It is only in the movie that the Witch-King has to be killed by a woman. The book stated that he was doomed to be killed by a woman. The only reason why he was able to be hurt was because Merry had a sword specifically made to counter the Witch-King's invulnerability and allow Eowyn to kill him. The Witch-King himself is a very powerful sorcerer as well.

#10 Posted by theONEtaichou (546 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@theONEtaichou: It is only in the movie that the Witch-King has to be killed by a woman. The book stated that he was doomed to be killed by a woman. The only reason why he was able to be hurt was because Merry had a sword specifically made to counter the Witch-King's invulnerability and allow Eowyn to kill him. The Witch-King himself is a very powerful sorcerer as well.

I do get that, and while I take nothing away from the king in the books he is far uber than the movies... but I assumes since the OP used film versions (and didn't clarify) that it was film versions in this fight. Also even if it was the book version of the Witch king, what if Voldemort does transfigurate himself into a woman?

#11 Posted by Nefarious (16243 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Witch King.

#12 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (2686 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@theONEtaichou: how would that hurt the Witch-King? He was only hurt because Merry's sword made the Witch-King vulnerable to attack. Him dying to a woman only fulfilled the prophecy of his demise, he doesn't suffer a weakness to woman. Nazgul, by default, in the Lord of the Ring series are unkillable because they're already dead. Not saying that the Witch-King wins but Voldemort would need to do something else besides spamming his death spell at him.

#13 Posted by Outside_85 (4637 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Question, is Voldemort immune or at least able to withstand the Witch-Kings scream? (he can be as powerful as you like, but it wont do him any good if he's rolling around on the ground covering his ears)

And for @fatalsniper728: is Voldemort even aware of the prophecy concerning the Witch-Kings fate?

#14 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (5853 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Witch King has this is in the bag...Voldy hasn't a prayer unless he has an actual blade of Arnor to smite him with.

#15 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Outside_85: they have 20 minutes to prep, i'm sure he'll find out, but voldemort has a lot of curses and dark magic abilites and he has horcruxes....

#16 Edited by Outside_85 (4637 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Hmm, going to go with the Wtich-King. Unless Voldemort carries around a library or book about the subject he can somehow near insta-read and go into the fight knowing he cant (or perhaps more accurately wont) kill the Witch-King, I could imagine he tried making quick work of his opponent, then that would fail and either a nazgul blade is heading his way, some 250kg of spiked flail and both accompanied by a scream that brings most people to their knees. That is if the WK doesn't just shatter Voldemorts defences the same way he did against Gandalf (in the movie that is, in the book they didn't strike at one another but Gandalf was still marked by standing in the WK path, which Pippin remarked as Gandalf looking considerably older and more withered).

#17 Posted by SSJLozza (1115 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

WK uberstomp

#18 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4569 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio
#19 Posted by Manhunter_Prime (59 posts) - 3 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

Batman with prep.

lol.

But in all seriousness, Witch King takes this. Won't be a stomp, Voldemort is powerful and tricky, but he is unable to inflict any real damage against WK.

#20 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Manhunter_Prime: what damage would voldemort be able to inflict though ? wouldnt his killing curse have any affect ?

#21 Posted by Manhunter_Prime (59 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@fatalsniper728: I don't think so, all the killing curse does is rob a being of life; WK is undead, like the rest of the Nazgul, therefore killing curse has no effect.

#22 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

dang, i think i posted a good fight here, cuz honestly i think its a stalemate

#23 Posted by TERMINATORFAN (1250 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Voldemort stomps.

#24 Posted by KingOfAsh (855 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@TERMINATORFAN said:

Voldemort stomps.

No he doesn't

#25 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (1576 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Outside_85 said:

Hmm, going to go with the Wtich-King. Unless Voldemort carries around a library or book about the subject he can somehow near insta-read and go into the fight knowing he cant (or perhaps more accurately wont) kill the Witch-King, I could imagine he tried making quick work of his opponent, then that would fail and either a nazgul blade is heading his way, some 250kg of spiked flail and both accompanied by a scream that brings most people to their knees. That is if the WK doesn't just shatter Voldemorts defences the same way he did against Gandalf (in the movie that is, in the book they didn't strike at one another but Gandalf was still marked by standing in the WK path, which Pippin remarked as Gandalf looking considerably older and more withered).

1. Nazgul blade fails, he can teleport at thought.

2. With reasonable Legilimency and occlumency he should be able to resist the scream (which is a mind attack)

3. Gandalf the white vs the witch king in the movie is non-canon. Extended editions are non-canon. The books state Gandalf severely outclasses the Witch King.

4.. What's stopping Voldemort from transfiguring him on spot?

Im a little sick of this LOTR fanboyism. Everyone hates voldemort and Harry Potter.

#26 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (1576 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@fatalsniper728: I don't think so, all the killing curse does is rob a being of life; WK is undead, like the rest of the Nazgul, therefore killing curse has no effect.

Voldemort can transfigure him into a kitten. <.<

#27 Posted by TERMINATORFAN (1250 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@KingOfAsh said:

@TERMINATORFAN said:

Voldemort stomps.

No he doesn't

YES............YES.........HE DOES!

#28 Posted by TERMINATORFAN (1250 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@fatalsniper728: I don't think so, all the killing curse does is rob a being of life; WK is undead, like the rest of the Nazgul, therefore killing curse has no effect.

Voldemort can transfigure him into a kitten. <.<

Xactly

#29 Posted by KingOfAsh (855 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks: I'm getting sick of your LOTR spite

#30 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (1576 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@KingOfAsh said:

@Kingjohnrocks: I'm getting sick of your LOTR spite

And Im getting sick of you coming to all my threads yelling "Spite"

#31 Posted by KingOfAsh (855 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks: I m not yelling, I said it calmy. And this isn't your thread.

#32 Posted by Manhunter_Prime (59 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@fatalsniper728: I don't think so, all the killing curse does is rob a being of life; WK is undead, like the rest of the Nazgul, therefore killing curse has no effect.

Voldemort can transfigure him into a kitten. <.<

My guess is that the power imbibed in him by the ring protects him from most magic, but I would be lying if I said that I have proof of WK resisting that particular brand of magic....so there really isn't any way to argue that.

Of course, maybe WK actually just wanted to be a kitten all along, in which case he wins anyways.

#33 Posted by TheProwe (26 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

The Witch King..

#34 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (1576 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@fatalsniper728: I don't think so, all the killing curse does is rob a being of life; WK is undead, like the rest of the Nazgul, therefore killing curse has no effect.

Voldemort can transfigure him into a kitten. <.<

My guess is that the power imbibed in him by the ring protects him from most magic, but I would be lying if I said that I have proof of WK resisting that particular brand of magic....so there really isn't any way to argue that.

Of course, maybe WK actually just wanted to be a kitten all along, in which case he wins anyways.

Here is how this plays out::

Witch King: I am death voldemort. And now you shall feel it.

Voldemort: *Fires a transfiguring spell at him*

Witch King: *Turns into a kitten or a frog*

Voldemort: Simple enough. *Walks away*

#35 Posted by ShootingNova (9448 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

How is the Witch King stomping? LOL. Especially "uberstomping".

#36 Posted by Outside_85 (4637 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks said:

1. Nazgul blade fails, he can teleport at thought.

2. With reasonable Legilimency and occlumency he should be able to resist the scream (which is a mind attack)

3. Gandalf the white vs the witch king in the movie is non-canon. Extended editions are non-canon. The books state Gandalf severely outclasses the Witch King.

4.. What's stopping Voldemort from transfiguring him on spot?

Im a little sick of this LOTR fanboyism. Everyone hates voldemort and Harry Potter.

1. Not if he cant think.

2. It's a mind attack since when?

3. Then why didnt Gandalf just wave his hand and burn the WK to a crisp on either occasions the two met in the books? Also the OP doesn't state which versions of the characters that's being used, so it's fair game.

4. That there is nothing physical for him to transmute.

And you don't think we are sick of the HP fanboyism?

#37 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (1576 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

Not if he cant think.

Can't think? Show me Witch King's attacks going faster then thought.

It's a mind attack since when?

It's obvious the scream effects the brain and the ears, Occlumency can seal the mind from such assaults.

3. Then why didnt Gandalf just wave his hand and burn the WK to a crisp on either occasions the two met in the books? Also the OP doesn't state which versions of the characters that's being used, so it's fair game.

Why? I don't know. Ask Tolkien about their incredible vaugness. But the books say he outclasses the Witch King, thus he does. Also, Im getting a little sick of your fanboyism and speculation on what the versions are. If this is most powerful incarnations then Voldemort should win fairly easily.

4. That there is nothing physical for him to transmute.

He can transmute the Witch King's armour. First you LOTR fanboys say Yoda fails against Witch King, now it's voldemort. Im getting sick of you.

And you don't think we are sick of the HP fanboyism?

It's not fanboyism. I have feats to back up my arguments, you have vauge tolkien who didn't even give Gandalf proper feats. Stop being a fanboy, please.

#38 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (1576 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

How is the Witch King stomping? LOL. Especially "uberstomping".

No one will respond to this comment because they know he doesn't uberstomp. They just hate HP.

#39 Posted by Outside_85 (4637 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks: Feel free to be as sick as you, because I quite frankly dont care if you drown in your own vomit. If you cba proving your claims then don't bother responding.

#40 Posted by TheProwe (26 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio
@ShootingNova said:

How is the Witch King stomping? LOL. Especially "uberstomping".

I don't see him stomping or uberstomping, just winning.. You can't just use any magic against the Witch King but rather specific magic or enhancement made for him (or his people--past).. He is also a powerful sorcerer (he was a sorcerer and king before becoming a Nazgul)..
 
The major downside of, with regards to battles outside (or even within) its own world, Tolkien is vague with the power and stuff in LotR lore but as to how I understand he should take this.. I personally prefer LotR lore to be less mentioned in battle threads due to vagueness unlike others..
#41 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks: quick question, in order for voldemort to die, you have to destroy his horcruxes ?

#42 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (4569 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@fatalsniper728: If you're a wizard in HP verse, yes. But in other verses, willow, If I recall right, can break very high level ancient spells, so should be able break the horcrux one as well..

#43 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (1576 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@fatalsniper728: If you're a wizard in HP verse, yes. But in other verses, willow, If I recall right, can break very high level ancient spells, so should be able break the horcrux one as well..

1. Willow is not in this. Keep on topic.

#44 Posted by Kingjohnrocks (1576 posts) - 3 months, 3 days ago - Show Bio

@fatalsniper728 said:

@Kingjohnrocks: quick question, in order for voldemort to die, you have to destroy his horcruxes ?

Yes. If he had about 8 Horcruxes I doubt the WK could get to them. I mean, I'd love for him to bypass soul sucking dementors and dragons (which Voldemort can kill with somewhat of a struggle)

#45 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4569 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@fatalsniper728: If you're a wizard in HP verse, yes. But in other verses, willow, If I recall right, can break very high level ancient spells, so should be able break the horcrux one as well..

1. Willow is not in this. Keep on topic.

Don't interrupt when adults are talking.

#46 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio
  • @Kingjohnrocks: im prety sure that voldemorts magic abilities can trick the wk, like u said he can summon dementors and dragons

#47 Posted by fatalsniper728 (477 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: i dont think the wk can summon anything like voldemort can...

#48 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4569 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@fatalsniper728: Idt he even needs to..

#49 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (2686 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@fatalsniper728: Voldemort can't summon Dementors or dragons...They fight for him because he promises them something. He has no control over their actions whatsoever. It's more like an agreement they made. A dementor would kill Voldemort since they are immune to spells and are only affected by Patronus charms, something I doubt Voldemort could muster up. They only listened to him because he promised them more victims and souls (i.e. Muggle-borns and regular humans).

#50 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (4569 posts) - 3 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: Though I agree that dementors are very strong, I am sure lupin mentioned that patronus is 'one of the ways of fighting dementors', because after finishing the book I spent some time thinking what the other ways may be. (That time I had hoped they'll mention it in the next books, and show some 'dementor fighting expert', which lupin said he was not, but of course it didn't happen)

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