Voldemort vs Gandalf - Battles

#1 Edited by onilordasmodeus (1769 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Both are in their strongest incarnations.

Battle is in Hogwarts

win condition: KO or death

morals on

Prep is 1 day

Fight!

Bonus round:

Voldemort and Gandalf team up to fight the Deadly Alliance of Shang Tsung and Quan Chi from Mortal Kombat

Bonus fight takes place in Shang Tsung's Palace in MKD.

Win condition: KO or Death

morals on

no prep

Edit: DA has access to the Dragon Kings Army

FIGHT!

#2 Posted by HolySerpent (11728 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Voldemort wins

#3 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Gandalf in his strongest incarnation is omnipotent. He wins easily.

#4 Edited by DrRenekton (255 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

In their strongest incarnations wasn't Gandalf a Maia? The lesser gods of LOTR? I don't think Voldermort could contend with that.

#5 Posted by Trinity00 (2504 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@XMen1963 said:

Gandalf in his strongest incarnation is omnipotent. He wins easily.

Bull shit

#6 Posted by theicon (1797 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

vold is too powerful for him

bonus round vold and Gandelf rule

#7 Posted by HolySerpent (11728 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

XD that made me laugh

#8 Posted by DrRenekton (255 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Trinity00 said:

@XMen1963 said:
Gandalf in his strongest incarnation is omnipotent. He wins easily.
Bull shit

Not necessarily I've heard this before, he is a lesser god. but omnipotent is far from what he can do.

#9 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Trinity00 said:

@XMen1963 said:
Gandalf in his strongest incarnation is omnipotent. He wins easily.
Bull shit

Gandalf's strongest incarnation is his pure Maiar form, in which, he is indeed, omnipotent.

#10 Posted by Trinity00 (2504 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@XMen1963 said:

@Trinity00 said:
@XMen1963 said:
Gandalf in his strongest incarnation is omnipotent. He wins easily.
Bull shit
Gandalf's strongest incarnation is his pure Maiar form, in which, he is indeed, omnipotent.

best feat?

#11 Posted by BringnIt (3680 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Lol omnipotent is the most loosely used term to describe anyone with just a modicum of powers

#12 Edited by ShootingNova (9460 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Strongest incarnation of Gandalf would be one where he is a Maia and is not limited or restricted in any way. If that's him, he stomps. What has Voldemort got that can really stop him. Pretty much nothing. Gandalf's feats (while he is restricted) outclass Voldemort's anyways. Gandalf wins.

The duo also take the bonus round.

@XMen1963 said:

Gandalf in his strongest incarnation is omnipotent. He wins easily.

@XMen1963 said:

@Trinity00 said:
@XMen1963 said:
Gandalf in his strongest incarnation is omnipotent. He wins easily.
Bull shit
Gandalf's strongest incarnation is his pure Maiar form, in which, he is indeed, omnipotent.

No. Not true at all. His most powerful incarnation is NOT omnipotent, far from that. The Ainur, Valar, Aratar etc. hold greater power, so does Morgoth and Sauron as a Maia. Eru Iluvatar is the only one who gets that title. He was the all-creator, Gandalf is far from that.

#13 Posted by Mad8Baller (469 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Voldemort can only win if Avada Kadevra can work on Maian form of Gandalf...

Bonus Round - Volde wins by Avada Kadevra.
All those characters you listed in this round seem to be human so can be killed easily.

#14 Posted by ShootingNova (9460 posts) - 11 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Mad8Baller said:

Voldemort can only win if Avada Kadevra can work on Maian form of Gandalf... Bonus Round - Volde wins by Avada Kadevra. All those characters you listed in this round seem to be human so can be killed easily.

Gandalf solos all.

#15 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Gandalf wins cause he has a Big Staff and Voldemort has a little stick. KO

#16 Edited by HowTerribleIsThat (349 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

"Avada Kadavra" gg no re

#17 Posted by posterser (103 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Voldemort wouldn't need a second to stomp the gandalf restricted form however if Gandalf is allowed to use his full potential.. It would be a better battle. But I still think voldemort can pull it off.

#18 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

I know nothing about Voldemort. LoTR, however, has one of the weirdest fandoms out there. None of the people who have so far spoken about Gandalf have read any of the books. It's VERY clear in the books that the Maiar are spirits and not gods.

There is no such thing as a maia form for Gandalf. He IS a maia as is Saruman. They are also weaker than the original maia who in themselves weren't very powerful.

Also... Gandalf has no feats! Beyong defeating Durin's Bane which killed him to the degree that it took Eru's (the ONLY god in LoTR) direct intervention to bring him back.

#19 Posted by The_Thunderer (2883 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@Baldy said:

I know nothing about Voldemort. LoTR, however, has one of the weirdest fandoms out there. None of the people who have so far spoken about Gandalf have read any of the books. It's VERY clear in the books that the Maiar are spirits and not gods.
There is no such thing as a maia form for Gandalf. He IS a maia as is Saruman. They are also weaker than the original maia who in themselves weren't very powerful.
Also... Gandalf has no feats! Beyong defeating Durin's Bane which killed him to the degree that it took Eru's (the ONLY god in LoTR) direct intervention to bring him back.

Actually the Valar brought him back not Eru.

@BringnIt said:

Lol omnipotent is the most loosely used term to describe anyone with just a modicum of powers

seems to be.

If Gandalf was omnipotent he wouldn't have died, and Sauron wouldn't have existed... thats all im saying...

#20 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

voldemort stomps hard here, even if gandalf did take his maia form i dont think he could take on voldemort but it will be a very close fight

#21 Edited by SHAZAM117 (1183 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Gandalf....Didn't dude slay a Balrog?..... by himself at that!....Not trying to be a A-hole here or anything, but what feats on that scale does Voldemort have?....Gandalfs the man!

#22 Posted by Nefarious (16259 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

I'm going with Gandalf.

#23 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Like I said Gandalf has a Way Bigger Stick.

#24 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@The_Thunderer said:

@Baldy said:
I know nothing about Voldemort. LoTR, however, has one of the weirdest fandoms out there. None of the people who have so far spoken about Gandalf have read any of the books. It's VERY clear in the books that the Maiar are spirits and not gods.
There is no such thing as a maia form for Gandalf. He IS a maia as is Saruman. They are also weaker than the original maia who in themselves weren't very powerful.
Also... Gandalf has no feats! Beyong defeating Durin's Bane which killed him to the degree that it took Eru's (the ONLY god in LoTR) direct intervention to bring him back.
Actually the Valar brought him back not Eru.
@BringnIt said:
Lol omnipotent is the most loosely used term to describe anyone with just a modicum of powers
seems to be.
If Gandalf was omnipotent he wouldn't have died, and Sauron wouldn't have existed... thats all im saying...

Nope. It was Eru.

The Valar wouldn't have had the power to do so as his spirit had traveled beyond time.

#25 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117: voldemort has much better feats. he can create a fiendfyre which is a massive amount of unnatural fire around balrog's size if not bigger. and then he broke an extremely powerful town level magical shield by a single spell. around 1000 very powerful sorcerers couldnt break it with multiple attacks. also he caused a worldwide thunerstorm.

#26 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@justleader said:

                    @SHAZAM117: voldemort has much better feats. he can create a fiendfyre which is a massive amount of unnatural fire around balrog's size if not bigger. and then he broke an extremely powerful town level magical shield by a single spell. around 1000 very powerful sorcerers couldnt break it with multiple attacks. also he caused a worldwide thunerstorm.

So did he wave his magic stick faster than anyone else? Im sorry I watched all those god forsaken films and Voldemort was beaten by a Kid. a little teenage kid. Time and again. Gandalf dont loose. He fought real Invincble Dark Lords, Balrogs, and other powerful Sorcerors. Hell with his Staff he could just block any spell Volde throws at him and then stab him with a real weapon.

#27 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: i respect gandalf i really do but he fought orcs and even one seemed to kill him if it werent for pipin and harry potter is the chosen one he is the only one who could beat him, dumbledore himself stated that if voldemort rose to power not even his magic will be use against voldemort.

#28 Posted by posterser (103 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@justleader said:
@SHAZAM117: voldemort has much better feats. he can create a fiendfyre which is a massive amount of unnatural fire around balrog's size if not bigger. and then he broke an extremely powerful town level magical shield by a single spell. around 1000 very powerful sorcerers couldnt break it with multiple attacks. also he caused a worldwide thunerstorm.
So did he wave his magic stick faster than anyone else? Im sorry I watched all those god forsaken films and Voldemort was beaten by a Kid. a little teenage kid. Time and again. Gandalf dont loose. He fought real Invincble Dark Lords, Balrogs, and other powerful Sorcerors. Hell with his Staff he could just block any spell Volde throws at him and then stab him with a real weapon.

That sounded weird..............

Anyway, voldemort was defeated only because the elder wand was harry's not his. Him wielding the wand was not able to kill harry. Why? Because it was harry's,

And seriously, we go by feats, voldemort did magic that all the Lotr films combined did, and much more......

#29 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@posterser said:

@CadenceV2 said:
@justleader said:
@SHAZAM117: voldemort has much better feats. he can create a fiendfyre which is a massive amount of unnatural fire around balrog's size if not bigger. and then he broke an extremely powerful town level magical shield by a single spell. around 1000 very powerful sorcerers couldnt break it with multiple attacks. also he caused a worldwide thunerstorm.
So did he wave his magic stick faster than anyone else? Im sorry I watched all those god forsaken films and Voldemort was beaten by a Kid. a little teenage kid. Time and again. Gandalf dont loose. He fought real Invincble Dark Lords, Balrogs, and other powerful Sorcerors. Hell with his Staff he could just block any spell Volde throws at him and then stab him with a real weapon.
That sounded weird..............
Anyway, voldemort was defeated only because the elder wand was harry's not his. Him wielding the wand was not able to kill harry. Why? Because it was harry's,
And seriously, we go by feats, voldemort did magic that all the Lotr films combined did, and much more......

He did Magic all the time but his lossing streak not impressive at all. At least Gandalf fell Durins Bane and stood up to a fully powered Witch King. He doesnt loose top kids learning magic.

Feat wise Voldemort is a Jobber.

#30 Posted by KalTheHokage_2007 (651 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@justleader: being the chosen one didn't give Harry any more power than Voldemort.

#31 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@KalTheHokage_2007 said:

@justleader: being the chosen one didn't give Harry any more power than Voldemort.

So Harry was already as powerful as Voldmort? I thought in the Potter world power was base on Skill and Knowledge. Or is it like DBZ you can be born with a higher power lvl lol.

#32 Posted by HBKTimHBK (4377 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Not again...

#33 Posted by HolySerpent (11728 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

Not again...

lol

#34 Posted by KalTheHokage_2007 (651 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: not saying that. just saying being the chosen one didn't give Harry a giant power boost. Given what the series tells about Voldemort, it was PIS that Vold lost. just my opinion. (I'm gonna catch h#!! for that last comment)

#35 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Well I know Gandalf blocks some major Magic attacks with his Staff like he did with the Balrogs Flaming Sword. I never seen Voldemort block a Sword thrust. At the moment im leaning on Gandalf still.

#36 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@SHAZAM117 said:

Gandalf....Didn't dude slay a Balrog?..... by himself at that!....Not trying to be a A-hole here or anything, but what feats on that scale does Voldemort have?....Gandalfs the man!

It was more like a double kill as he died in the process. Although it's my favorite part of that book.

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Gandalf in maiar form could take on Sauron(who only lost the war of the ring cause he was prideful and wanted to play with his opponents) sure Gandalf would lose(Sauron is more powerful because of the one ring) but he could do that. Gandalf also has Glamdring the foe hammer Volderemont has no feats that make me think he could take on a maiar.
Only time a maiar or valar has ever been defeated in the books is by another and when that has happened most of the surronding is utterly trashed. Based on feats Gandalf has turned invisible(as seen in hobbit), mimiced other people's voices(again hobbit), and he also bears one of the 3 rings of the elves which have the ability to heal.
Gandalf stomps on this guy quicker than Harry Potter ever could and then goes see Bilbo and the hobbits to smoke with them and drink their ale.

You're just making things up now. There is no evidence to suggest that there is any such thing as a maiar form. He had a different name when he lived in Valinor (Olorin) but that's about it.

Maiar were defeated all over the place by other non-maiar, they are only spirits after all. Huan the wolfhound defeated Sauron and he's one of the more powerful of them.

#37 Posted by KalTheHokage_2007 (651 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

If this based on moives Vole wins...if not then Gandalf stomps and then asks Harry why he had so much trouble.

lol. this is pretty funny.

#38 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@TheHokage_2007: the hell it doesnt. he could see through voldemort's mind, he could speak parseltongue, and as dumbledore stated he has many traits like voldemort

#39 Posted by posterser (103 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@KalTheHokage_2007 said:
@justleader: being the chosen one didn't give Harry any more power than Voldemort.
So Harry was already as powerful as Voldmort? I thought in the Potter world power was base on Skill and Knowledge. Or is it like DBZ you can be born with a higher power lvl lol.

Yes actually in potter world the wizards are born with different power levels. In cased you didn't notice voldemort is more powerful than a thousand death eaters,and dumbledore is more powerful than all the members of the order. Harry's shield charm is a joke compared to dumbledore's shield which shields all the hogwart's school.

#40 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: he didnt have voldemort's powers a piece of voldemort's soul was inside harry, otherwise how could harry die and come back in DH part 2 that is because voldemort avada kadavrad only the piece of his own soul inside harry. and harry potter verse there are powers that you are born with like parseltongue but you can learn how to do anything but the real power is how far can you get using that power, for example harry could conjure a small amount of fire while dumbledore was able to conjure it across all the cave

#41 Posted by buttersdaman000 (7085 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Voldemort being defeated by Harry isn't an argument you can use against him. Besides it being destined, Harry won through circumstances and prep.

#42 Posted by HBKTimHBK (4377 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000 said:

Voldemort being defeated by Harry isn't an argument you can use against him. Besides it being destined, Harry won through circumstances and prep.

It was not destined that Harry would win.

#43 Edited by posterser (103 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

@buttersdaman000 said:
Voldemort being defeated by Harry isn't an argument you can use against him. Besides it being destined, Harry won through circumstances and prep.
It was not destined that Harry would win.

#44 Posted by buttersdaman000 (7085 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK:
Ahh my bad, the prophecy only said that 'Harry' would have the power to do so. But still, he did not win by being the more powerful wizard.

#45 Edited by posterser (103 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies ..."

#46 Edited by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

As I've said book Gandalf stomps...



Gandalf wasnt destin for anything, he just Stomps mudholes.

#47 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Voldemort's Kill-Spell won't work on Gandalf. He is VERY resistant against magical attacks, and in his Maia form that resistance is only increased.

#48 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

If this is Gandalf with restricted powers, then voldemort stomps. If it's Gandalf with his true potential, voldemort would still win, but with dificulty.

#49 Posted by HBKTimHBK (4377 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@posterser: Exactly.

#50 Posted by rolldestroyer (2538 posts) - 11 months, 10 days ago - Show Bio

if we are going by the movies voldemort has shown more feats than gandalf but gandalf is stated to be a demigod and demigods in lotr can ddestroy countries casually so assuming that this is gandalf's strongest incarnation he wins. as for the bonus round voldemort and gandalf win