Vinersaurs Tournament:YourNeighborhoodComicGeek VS. YoungJustice

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#1 Edited by deadpoolrules (4567 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

OKAY,as YNCG hasn't much time,I'm just adding the rules:

Rules:

  1. Team composed by four members,two powerhouses,one street lvl fighter and one street lvl assistant.
  2. Bloodlusted characters
  3. Morals on
  4. BFR allowed,but no space BFR's and stuff
  5. Any version of character
  6. Three rounds battle

Battles rules:

  1. Assistant can't be killed
  2. Assistants can't hit the other characters
  3. Max.Strenght:Superman
  4. Max.Speed:Bleeding Edge Iron Man
  5. Max.Magic use:Dr.Strange
  6. 1st round:Normal round,no prep and no gears allowed,just the basic,for example,Deadpool can only use his two swords
  7. 2nd round:Normal round,2 hours prep,can choose gear
  8. 3hd round:Fighting a random team
  9. 24 hours debate,each round has 8 hours,who get more votes in the 8 hours wins the round

Teams:

  1. Thanoseid
  2. World War Hulk
  3. Street lvl fighter:Obiwan>no force on 1st round or it would be unfair
  4. Assistant:Aku

  1. Powerhouse:Breach
  2. Powerhouse:Captain Atom
  3. Street lvl fighter:Batman
  4. Assistant:Anarky

Get ready to rumble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck for both of you,the best shall win.

Gear especifications:

  1. Only three clones of Obi w/ force or one Thanosei to YNCG.
  2. No time bending or stuff like it.

Can't wait for this fight:

#2 Edited by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Round 1

Well, Breach and Atom would take on WWH and Thanoseid. This could go on for quite a while. Breach could stun Hulk with one of these

and finish him with one of these

and if he doesnt stay down then he gets defeated by one of these

Captain Atom would have his hands busy with Thanoseid for a bit but this is how things would end (referring to bottom right scan)

+

Yeah thanoseid dies

Anyway, Batman would beat Obi-Wan. Better H2H skills and weaponry.

#3 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio
#4 Posted by XImpossibruX (3319 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio
#6 Posted by Docnick (10453 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

You guys hold tournaments? I'm so joining.

#7 Posted by deadpoolrules (4567 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

I will add the 3hd round team as soon as possible.

Listening "Nigga stole my bike":

#8 Posted by deadpoolrules (4567 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

You guys hold tournaments? I'm so joining.

Welcome to the family,tournaments...

A courtesy of:

#9 Posted by TheCannon (14192 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Come on......Thanoseid aint even real.

He is. Amalgam of Thanos and Darkseid.

I'll go with YNCG's team.

#10 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@nickthedevil: Totally forgot to ask if you wanted in.................

#11 Posted by XImpossibruX (3319 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Really wanna see Y.N.C.G argue for World War Hulk, because he's like he 1% of the Vine that doesn't hate Hulk.

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#12 Posted by deadpoolrules (4567 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@TheCannon said:

@YoungJustice said:

Come on......Thanoseid aint even real.

He is. Amalgam of Thanos and Darkseid.

I'll go with YNCG's team.

Cool

#13 Posted by ChaoticSuperman (325 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Thanoseid on a team? Is this even fair?

#14 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: Thanks.

Anyways I shall begin.

Round 1

Okay, so Superman alone could already hold off Captain Atom, and even beat him most of the time, and Darkseid can stalemate Superman if not overpower Supes, so Thanos + Darksied >>> Captain Atom.

For Batman, I shall eliminate him with Aku, who cannot be hurt by spears, swords, and other human weapons, so Batman's utilities will be a nuisance. Samurai Jack is faster and stronger than Bruce, and Aku has shown to be stalemate Jack numerous times, and beat him when Aku is not toying around with him.

World War Hulk has stalemated Sentry and beaten tons of Marvel's heroes, so Anarky wouldn't be a problem.

And Breach would eventually be overcome from Obi-Wan's superior speed, reflexes, agility, and swordsmanship.

Round 2

From here on out, it's a guaranteed win for me.

http://samuraijack.wikia.com/wiki/Aku

As you can see, Aku from the series, the reason I picked Aku and not Samurai Jack are two key elements.

  • Aku has time manipulation.
  • Duplication of himself.

^^^ Proof of time manipulation.

That's right.

Aku makes a time portal so that he can release past versions of himself, so he could get an Obi-Wan from 1 second ago, or 2 seconds ago. Anyways, this is easily over 1,000 Obi-Wans in only one hour. In the second hour, he will start duplicating himself from all versions and that would be around 1,000 Aku clones in another hour.

As for World War Hulk, he will be cloned while the battle is starting while your team tries to handle 1,000 Akus and 1,000 Obi-Wans.

That would be around 100 World War Hulk's in a minute at minimum.

Your team would be overwhelmed quickly and don't forget that Aku can shapeshift to massive heights, and he has turned into a dragon before.

Now for Thanoseid, his gear is :

Haha just kidding : I will unleash his Thanosi clones :

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/thanosi.htm

That's about 50 minimum Thanosi clones you can't afford to handle. They all have Thanos' basic powers with one specific upgrade that specializes them from the other Thanosi clones.

Round 3

What do you mean by fighting a random team?

How's that for my team is a flop?

#15 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (11301 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Thanoseid? Damn that going to be hard to beat....

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#16 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Thanoseid? Damn that going to be hard to beat....

Not as hard as my argument.

"Be water my friends"

#17 Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Oh yeah I almost forgot :

"Be water my friends"

#18 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (11301 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Thanoseid? Damn that going to be hard to beat....

Not as hard as my argument.

"Be water my friends"

If I met you in the Torny I would probably be crushed I would put up a great case nonetheless.

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#19 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Thanoseid? Damn that going to be hard to beat....

Not as hard as my argument.

"Be water my friends"

If I met you in the Torny I would probably be crushed I would put up a great case nonetheless.

LOL It's all good.

And you never know. I have my good and bad days.

"Be water my friends"

#20 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Well, I'm about to go offline so I won't be able to put up a counterargument if I need one until tomorrow.

"Be water my friend"

#21 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

Round 2

You gave me 2 hours prep with 3 extremely intelligent people.

First of all Anarky finds a Green Lantern ring. Yes he can do this with his Universal Power Suit

He gives this ring to Bats.

This should take an hour.

Bats creates a plan. He uses Anarkys LTD

to go to Y.N.C.G's teams prep base and destroy everything that they worked on. So those clones are being destroyed. You just wasted your prep.

Meanwhile, Batman has given Breach his Insider Suit and Captain Atom a stealth suit.

Battle

So my whole team would be invisible when you got there. Batman hidden in the shadows, with Captain Atom and Breach invisible in their suits. While your team trys to find us. Breach uses the speed force function to speedblitz and K.O. Obi-Wan. While Thanoseid and WWH are trying to figure out what going on Batman uses the ring to stun Hulk by creating 4 huge boulders and hit him in the back of the head. Then, Breach does this

that should finish him off.

Thanoseid gets sneak attacked and my whole team and BFRed by a combination of the ring, Captain Atoms strength.

#22 Posted by greenteaforme (1745 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

Really wanna see Y.N.C.G argue for World War Hulk, because he's like he 1% of the Vine that doesn't hate Hulk.

We would never allow a team with Hulk on it to win a tournament.

Because the Hulk is a terrible character.

#23 Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: I use 2 hours to clone Thanoseid about 1,000,000 times.

@YoungJustice said:

Round 2

You gave me 2 hours prep with 3 extremely intelligent people.

First of all Anarky finds a Green Lantern ring. Yes he can do this with his Universal Power Suit

He gives this ring to Bats.

This should take an hour.

Bats creates a plan. He uses Anarkys LTD

to go to Y.N.C.G's teams prep base and destroy everything that they worked on. So those clones are being destroyed. You just wasted your prep.

Meanwhile, Batman has given Breach his Insider Suit and Captain Atom a stealth suit.

That's too bad since Darkseid has owned Batman with prep before, and Thanos + Darkseid >>>>> Batman w/ prep.

Not to forget that Thanos has high intellect along with Darkseid.

Darkseid would have killed Batman if it was not for his plan to destroy his planet. However, this isn't the case, so Batman gets killed swiftly by a single blast by Thanoseid.

Also, Aku cannot be hurt by those cosmic blasts thingamajigs. He can only be hurt my weapons crafted my god-like beings.

Samurai Jack's sword was crafted by gods btw.

Battle

So my whole team would be invisible when you got there. Batman hidden in the shadows, with Captain Atom and Breach invisible in their suits. While your team trys to find us. Breach uses the speed force function to speedblitz and K.O. Obi-Wan. While Thanoseid and WWH are trying to figure out what going on Batman uses the ring to stun Hulk by creating 4 huge boulders and hit him in the back of the head. Then, Breach does this

that should finish him off.

Thanoseid gets sneak attacked and my whole team and BFRed by a combination of the ring, Captain Atoms strength.

1) Batman hidden in the shadows? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Obi-Wan can sense him using the Force, and this is 1,000+ Obi-Wans.

Thanoseid could easily track him using cosmic awareness.

2) Batman with a green lantern ring vs 1,000 Thanoseids/Obi-Wans/World War Hulks. Umm.... no.

He gets stomped.

3) Captain Atom, again, can't even take on Superman. What makes you think he can take on Thanos and Darkseid combined? Breach may be strong, but not strong enough to take on an army of Thanoseids, or even World War Hulks.

Also don't forget Worldbreaker mode and Hulk's healing factor. Hulk could regenerate from a puddle of blood or less. He healed himself from a skeleton in 17 seconds before.

Some feats on Hulk :

Don't forget you're dealing with 1,000 of these guys.

"Be water my friend"

#24 Posted by deadpoolrules (4567 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

Really wanna see Y.N.C.G argue for World War Hulk, because he's like he 1% of the Vine that doesn't hate Hulk.

Hey,how about me?You forgot to ask,Hulk is an awesome character.

2% than:

Man,I should be more specific with gear stuff,you can't use more than one clone,they're too powerfull.

Time bending isn't allowed as well,I will edit the OP.

#25 Posted by Floopay (5608 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Thanoseid? Damn that going to be hard to beat....

Not as hard as my argument.

"Be water my friends"

I hate to say it, but Thanoseid was beaten by two Wonderwoman level characters and a street leveler similar to Batman. And at the time he had an Infinity Gauntlet like item.

I don't want to downplay him, but I think most people are unaware of the amalgam comic that he came from.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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#26 Posted by deadpoolrules (4567 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Thanoseid? Damn that going to be hard to beat....

Not as hard as my argument.

"Be water my friends"

I hate to say it, but Thanoseid was beaten by two Wonderwoman level characters and a street leveler similar to Batman. And at the time he had an Infinity Gauntlet like item.

I don't want to downplay him, but I think most people are unaware of the amalgam comic that he came from.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Wow,thanks Floopay,I was about to say YNCG would win,but it seems like YJ got the edge here,so my vote goes to him,sorry Geek.

1-1 so long

#27 Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@deadpoolrules said:

@Floopay said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Thanoseid? Damn that going to be hard to beat....

Not as hard as my argument.

"Be water my friends"

I hate to say it, but Thanoseid was beaten by two Wonderwoman level characters and a street leveler similar to Batman. And at the time he had an Infinity Gauntlet like item.

I don't want to downplay him, but I think most people are unaware of the amalgam comic that he came from.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Wow,thanks Floopay,I was about to say YNCG would win,but it seems like YJ got the edge here,so my vote goes to him,sorry Geek.

1-1 so long

How would YJ win?

I have 1,000 Aku's, 1,000 World War Hulks, and 1,000 Obi-Wans, and about 50+ Thanosi robots.

Also my Hulks would just keep coming back via healing factor and Aku can't be harmed.

"Be water my friend"

#28 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

No counterargument?

Anyways I'm done with schoolwork but I am sooo tired.

"Be water my friend"

#29 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

DPR said you can only have 1 clone. Also, Anarky is as smart or even smarter than Darkseid. I can't post a ca right now but later.....

#30 Edited by UnderDogs_OverBoard (1137 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

@deadpoolrules: when can I join?

#31 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 8 months, 27 days ago - Show Bio

I wanna fight the winner :P

#32 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Okay new plan :

1 clone for who? I'm assuming this is Obi-Wan or World War Hulk?

Anyways Aku could still duplicate himself and he has done it before and he doesn't need time manipulation. Even if he is assistance, he is durable and strong enough to take blows from ordinary human weapons and some enchanted weaponry excluding god-enchanted weapons. He could duplicate himself rapidly in the 2 hours prep and :

120 minutes = 2 Hours

60 seconds = 1 minute

Which means Aku could make 7,200 duplicates of himself and surround your entire team, block attacks from my teammates, cast illusions onto your opponents, distract them, etc. Don't forget that Aku can duplicate during the battle as well and that would just keep adding until you kill the original Aku, which would be practically impossible. Aku can shapeshift into the following animals :

  • Bird (uses mostly to escape ) used lots of time
  • Scorpion :used in I and XXX also shown in opening titles
  • Gorrila:used in I
  • Billy Goat:used in I
  • Octopus:used in VIII and briefly seen in XXXVIII
  • Manta Ray:used in VIII
  • Spiked Tubeworm Forest:used in VIII
  • Spider:used in XXXVIII
  • Dark Tentacled being:used in I but also shown in begining opening titles
  • Dragon:used in XIII
  • Chinese Dragon:used in XXX
  • Preying Mantis:used in XXX
  • Mouse:used in XXX
  • Frog:used in XXXIV
  • Fish:used in XXXIV
  • Flying Dragon:used in XXXVIII
  • Dark Mass of shadow tentacles:used in XXX
  • Bat: used in XLVIII

A rough list of his main powers :

  • Superhuman Strength: When Aku challenged Jack to a so called final match he was shown to have superhuman strength even in a somewhat human form.
  • Limited Invulnerability: Aku has shown the ability easily withstand weapons of any sort, such as simply absorbing arrows shot at him or not even being fazed after being hit by torpedoes as well as being capable of breathing underwater and existing in the depths of space, however he was shown to be vulnerable against mystic weapons and the weapons and artifacts of Deities and especially Jack's blade which was forged through the very essence of purity within Jack's father by the Deities Odin, Ra and Vishnu.
  • Fire Generation: Along with being capable of breathing fire Aku has also been shown creating it such as in one comical situation he had to re-ignite his eyebrows.
  • Time Travel: This was the very ability that Aku had used to send Jack into the future at the beginning of the series, though so far it has only been used once and was a one way portal forward in time.
  • Laser Eye Beams: Aku used this ability in numerous battles with Jack and he also used it to destroy the majority of Jack's Kingdom.
  • Teleportation: Aku uses this quite often to appear before those he has business with, such as theImakandi.
  • Summoning Storms: Aku is capable of conjuring storms through will.
  • Magic Materialization: The ability to create objects out of thin air. He once used this ability to conjure gold, jewels, and treasure for the Imakandi.
  • Psychokinesis: Aku has shown the ability to move objects with his mind alone.
  • Sonic Scream: Aku was shown capable of producing a powerful scream that causes massive damage to the landscape.
  • Necromancy: Aku has been shown in one episode to be capable of animating countless dead bodies, and bending them to his will as they have neither mind nor soul.

That's right! Necromancy baby!

So if any of my teammates die, he could simply revive them so that my team is always technically "alive' no matter what you do. Also his magic would come in handy as 7,200+ Aku's with magical spells would be tons of trouble for your team.

Heck, even 1 Aku would be enough trouble for your team.

As for Obi Wan :

As you can see, with the Force Obi-Wan far outclasses Batman in everything. Speed, strength, durability, reflexes etc. Batman is a mere human with no meta-human powers, whereas Obi-Wan has been training since he was a teenager, and has The Force on his side. Also in the video he could hold off both of the Maul brothers for an extended period of time before being defeated. The Force also allows Obi-Wan to pinpoint Batman's location, dodge any attacks/simply redirect them/force push them away. Also, every Jedi has shown to have dark force powers as well, they just refrain from using them too much, and since I am assuming all characters are bloodlust, Obi-Wan could literally just crush Bruce's windpipe and kill him instantly.

Also Force Powers have a variety of talents that could keep enemies at bay.

  • Force Push
  • Force Crush
  • Force Choke
  • Force Electricity
  • Force Senses
  • And all statistics are enhanced.

More feats on Hulk :

Easily healing in seconds after being damaged by Beserk Wolverine

Healing from powerful blast in seconds.

Even The Leader, a person with extremely high intellect stated that Hulk can heal incredibly fast. He hit Hulk with a beam and healed himself back in under an hour. This isn't even World War Hulk, whose powers increase when he is angrier, and WWH was freakin' angry.

As for strength/power feats :

Lifting 150,000,000,000 tons.

Smacking up Gladiator

Breaking through Dr.Doom's shields, which were most likely prepped, so your prep still doesn't guarantee a safe haven.

And again, while testing on Hulk, Leader cannot track Hulk's strength.

Whupping Dog O' War

His Thunderclap alone sent The Avengers flying

Torch gets owned by Hulk's thunderclap.

And all this without even being World War Hulk or Worldbreaker.

For Thanosied :

Thanoseid has a variety of powers including Darkseid and Thanos' which could be major support to the team and could go head-on with any of the opponents on your team. He also has above genius intellect and could think of a plan within 2 hours, or could create something to boost his powers up. I mean Thanos alone could already achieve this :

And create these :

Thanos Chair

Thanosi (Thanos Clones) : http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/thanosi.htm

"Be water my friend"

#33 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

One thing that you overlooked. Aku doesn't fight. So bye bye first quarter of your argument. Also, Obi-Wan still has human duarability and has never faught someone that has teleportation and super speed. He wouldn't know what hit him. Also, Clone Wars isn't cannon so 1 or the other. Also, what is stopping Atom from turning Hulk back to Banner. Yes he has done this before to a somerhing similar and yes it was cannon. Also, those feats for Thanoseis aren't Thanoseid. He has done none of those things. Thanoseid is damn near featless. So anymore scans of Thanos or Darkseid will not be included in my counter arguments.

#34 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

One thing that you overlooked. Aku doesn't fight. So bye bye first quarter of your argument. Also, Obi-Wan still has human duarability and has never faught someone that has teleportation and super speed. He wouldn't know what hit him. Also, Clone Wars isn't cannon so 1 or the other. Also, what is stopping Atom from turning Hulk back to Banner. Yes he has done this before to a somerhing similar and yes it was cannon. Also, those feats for Thanoseis aren't Thanoseid. He has done none of those things. Thanoseid is damn near featless. So anymore scans of Thanos or Darkseid will not be included in my counter arguments.

I never said Aku would fight once in my argument. Read it again.

Obi-Wan is fighting Batman. Even if he decides to teleport he can still sense where Batman is if he is still alive. Also : Obi-Wan could get revived by Aku.

OP says any versions to I'm assuming you can use all versions.

Hulk has survived gamma bombs and other devices/powers trying to revert him to Banner and they failed.

Dr.Doom's device failed.

Survived supernova attack

Not fazed by Karnack's blows

Blip is made up of billions of megavolts of electricity and Hulk survived it and defeated him.

Easily survives nuke

Not fazing at Fing Fang Foom's flames

Surviving Man-Thing's touch

Fighting with Sentry

Tanking Human Torch's Super-Nova attack and holding his own against Surfer, who also has matter manipulation and similar powers to Captain Atom and able to not be reverted to Banner. (except that one time in the 80's comic crossover, but that was Savage Hulk not WWH)

Self-Explanatory

#35 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Obi-Wan doesn't need to die. Batman BFR's him from the battle. Also, CA has time manipulation. He could just go back in time and make Banner never become Hulk. Also, if you want to use all versions. You just f*cked yourself hard. In Batman Arkham City Batman has a thing called " Freeze Blast" that can freeze virtually anything. That includes YOU And Your Little Gang of MUTS............JK. Anyway, this would be able to freeze Thanoseid long enough for Batman to teleport and BFR Thanoseid away.

#36 Posted by 8bitGangsta (351 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Doesn't aku have time manipulation too, as well as Thanoseid? I'm voting for YNCG. He keeps countering YJ and then more.

#37 Posted by Killemall (13459 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: Here's one more for Hulk's durability from Bullet Point Issue 5, and that's the best durability feat i have seen hulk perform, he was alive and got back in page 21. However, i am not entirely sure if its considered cannon, it came with the Silver Surfer Chronology DVD which had his cannon and non-cannon appearances, i just thought you might wanted to see this.

#38 Posted by Killemall (13459 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

@8bitGangsta said:

Doesn't aku have time manipulation too, as well as Thanoseid? I'm voting for YNCG. He keeps countering YJ and then more.

Aku and Darkseid both have time manipulation in the sense that they can BFR people into the past/ future. Apart from that the real time manipulation as in slowing or stopping time, not so much.

To be fair the current Captain Atom has time manipulation too, perhaps better than Darkseid and Aku but not too sure if that works for pre -new 52. But current Captain Atom is a beast. Time manipulation, reality manipulation, self regeneration from water, bringing people back from life, giving other people power, size manipulation and apparently someone called Mota is supposed to take his powers and pawn JLA in a future (which might have changed), speaks volume about his powers.

#39 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

Also, Atom has the ability to duplicate himself in the New 52. What stops him from making 30 clones of himself and just overpowering Thanoseid. Like Floopay said Thanoseid was taken down by two powerhouses and 1 street level character. He isn't going to fair well against 30 powerhouses with Godlike powers. Also, you are highly underestimating Breach. The guy beat the sh*t out of Superman and Martian Manhunter. Hulk won't be a problem at all. So all you have left is Obi-Wan who can get BFRed by anyone on my team due to their various teleportation devices, and superior everything.

#40 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

I'll rally up a counter-argument tomorrow.

#41 Edited by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 26 days ago - Show Bio

KK. I may have like 2 more posts up tonight though. So be ready.

#42 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Also, Atom has the ability to duplicate himself in the New 52. What stops him from making 30 clones of himself and just overpowering Thanoseid. Like Floopay said Thanoseid was taken down by two powerhouses and 1 street level character. He isn't going to fair well against 30 powerhouses with Godlike powers. Also, you are highly underestimating Breach. The guy beat the sh*t out of Superman and Martian Manhunter. Hulk won't be a problem at all. So all you have left is Obi-Wan who can get BFRed by anyone on my team due to their various teleportation devices, and superior everything.

Okay I'm back.

Also, if BFR is allowed, that also means Aku can literally just warp your entire team away in almost any location he desires. He could BFR you across the planet, or 50,000 years into the future. There is nothing you can do to Aku. He is immortal and is immune to human weaponry. He also can duplicate himself and his magic spells could counter your team's major attacks.

For Obi-Wan, he would crush Bruce at the beginning of the battle.

Thanoseid also has great intellect, so he could create a huge invention to help my team, plus he's strong enough to hang with Atom. (he was defeated by 2 Wonder-Woman level characters and a Street Leveler which is roughly comparable with Superman and Martian Manhunter. However, if Thanos alone could already defeat Silver Surfer, than Thanoseid being defeated by 2 Wonder-Woman's is arguable)

Thanoseid shows he is capable of Omega Beams

Showing he can bound characters around Wonder-Woman level

Also, Thanoseid has been stated to have both powers of Thanos and Darkseid, so even if he doesn't have a lot of feats, that is non-negotiable.

"Thanoseid has all of the powers and ambitions of both villains, and is thus a very dangerous threat"

"Thanoseid is the Amalgam combination of Thanos and Darkseid and possesses the combined strength, agility, durability, and both of their various powers. However, he also carries on Darkseid's weakness, Radion."

That means Thanoseid has a looooot of powers.

Like matter manipulation.

Which could match Captain Atom's.

Now roughly, if you look at these scans you could estimate his power levels :

^^^ Yes, I know this was a prepped Thanos, but in Round 2 we will have a prepped Thanoseid.

It's also accepted that Darkseid could already defeat Captain Atom :

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/captain-atom-vs-darkseid/391415/

As for Hulk, Aku could endlessly revive him when he dies and Hulk will be a factor in the game no matter what. Also Captain Atom has a weak spot : his suit. If it gets damaged to much to the point of a breach, he would die. Thanoseid could probably harm Atom enough to do that, and his prepped weaponry would help him.

#43 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

Ok let's get this straight once and for all. DPR can assistants interfere with other teams.

#44 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Ok let's get this straight once and for all. DPR can assistants interfere with other teams.

Unnecessary question if you ask me. Doesn't matter if he can't attack or do some magic illusions to your team. (which he could IMO, since this is assistance)

They could literally keep duplicating so fast and create a huge wall of immortal Aku's in all shapes and forms.

The numbers of Aku's will never falter. If one Aku dies, another Aku will revive him via necromancy, and they will keep duplicating.

"Be water my friend"

#45 Edited by deadpoolrules (4567 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

No duplicates for Aku,just for Obi,man,read the fucking rules,well,you still in round 2,YNCG won the first and YJ has the chance to stalemate now that she is with my vote,I give you 1 more hour to finish round 2 and go to the third.

No prep in the 3hd round.

3hd round team:

Team Teen Titans:

  1. Superboy
  2. Wonder Girl - with complete gear
  3. Deathstroke-fighter
  4. Raven-assistance

Remembering that assists are only allowed if they don't damage the opponents.

and ,good luck

#46 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

Deathstroke gets taken down by Batman. He has better weaponry (freeze blast, remote electrical charge, etc.) and better fighting skills over all. Superboy gets taken down by Cap Atom. He can control radiation which includes red sun radiation. He gets weakened enough for Bats to unleash some krptonite on that son of a beach. Breach could stalemate WG long enough for Cap Atom to come and help. They are powerful enough to K.O her and potentially kill her.

#47 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@deadpoolrules said:

No duplicates for Aku,just for Obi,man,read the fucking rules,well,you still in round 2,YNCG won the first and YJ has the chance to stalemate now that she is with my vote,I give you 1 more hour to finish round 2 and go to the third.

No prep in the 3hd round.

3hd round team:

Team Teen Titans:

  1. Superboy
  2. Wonder Girl - with complete gear
  3. Deathstroke-fighter
  4. Raven-assistance

Remembering that assists are only allowed if they don't damage the opponents.

and ,good luck

  1. You never said no duplicates for who.
  2. If I can clone Obi-Wan that's good enough.
  3. YoungJustice is a guy.
  4. Let's get this started.

Superboy would be demolished by Thanoseid. Darkseid could already defeat Superman, so Superboy wouldn't do much better. He puts up a small fight but goes down hard. Here are videos/scans of Darkseid winning/stalemating/barely losing against Superman.

For Wonder-Girl I think World War Hulk could take her. It would be a harder battle, but it would go down the same as Lobo vs. Wonder Girl. World War Hulk has superior strength and durability, as well as a strong healing factor. Her speed will eventually slip up as Wonder Girl has no ways of defeating WWH.

Can't find the next scan but he cracks Onslaught's armor

And for Obi-Wan vs. Deathstroke, we both know who would win in that battle.

Obi-Wan, like I previously said, has superior reflexes, and Force Powers to keep Deathstroke at bay. Jedi can sense where their enemy is and have bullet-time/laser reaction feats and have even when caught off guard, able to still deflect the attack before.

For Raven, if Aku is allowed to attack, he would easily win.

If not, Aku would just deflect all of her attacks until my other teammates are done to gang up on her. Another factor is that Aku could revive any of my dead teammates in their other battles, and make clones (how ironic) of Obi-Wan to help him against Deathstroke.

"Be water my friend"

#48 Posted by deadpoolrules (4567 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@deadpoolrules said:

No duplicates for Aku,just for Obi,man,read the fucking rules,well,you still in round 2,YNCG won the first and YJ has the chance to stalemate now that she is with my vote,I give you 1 more hour to finish round 2 and go to the third.

No prep in the 3hd round.

3hd round team:

Team Teen Titans:

  1. Superboy
  2. Wonder Girl - with complete gear
  3. Deathstroke-fighter
  4. Raven-assistance

Remembering that assists are only allowed if they don't damage the opponents.

and ,good luck

  1. You never said no duplicates for who.
  2. If I can clone Obi-Wan that's good enough.
  3. YoungJustice is a guy.
  4. Let's get this started.

Superboy would be demolished by Thanoseid. Darkseid could already defeat Superman, so Superboy wouldn't do much better. He puts up a small fight but goes down hard. Here are videos/scans of Darkseid winning/stalemating/barely losing against Superman.

For Wonder-Girl I think World War Hulk could take her. It would be a harder battle, but it would go down the same as Lobo vs. Wonder Girl. World War Hulk has superior strength and durability, as well as a strong healing factor. Her speed will eventually slip up as Wonder Girl has no ways of defeating WWH.

Can't find the next scan but he cracks Onslaught's armor

And for Obi-Wan vs. Deathstroke, we both know who would win in that battle.

Obi-Wan, like I previously said, has superior reflexes, and Force Powers to keep Deathstroke at bay. Jedi can sense where their enemy is and have bullet-time/laser reaction feats and have even when caught off guard, able to still deflect the attack before.

For Raven, if Aku is allowed to attack, he would easily win.

If not, Aku would just deflect all of her attacks until my other teammates are done to gang up on her. Another factor is that Aku could revive any of my dead teammates in their other battles, and make clones (how ironic) of Obi-Wan to help him against Deathstroke.

"Be water my friend"

  1. Yes,I said
  2. OK
  3. My bad
  4. Can't wait for it
  5. Aku and Raven can't attack no one,they can just make illusions and the maximum they can do is use magic to stop others by 1 minute
  6. Deathstroke has one lightsaber,the red one,two automatic machine guns and one mini gun.
#49 Posted by YoungJustice (5668 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

Also, can Thanoseid defeat 30 Captain Atoms. Also, New 52 Atom is a straight up energy being. He can't be hurt by physical attacks. Also, he has shown to be able to give ordinary humans powers. Couldn't he just give Batman super speed and strength, or Atoms powers completely. So you have Batman w/Cap Atom powers and GL ring, Captain Atom, and Breach with the Insider Suit. Also, Aku cannot hurt my characters. Sending them away is against the rules.

#50 Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13822 posts) - 8 months, 25 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Also, can Thanoseid defeat 30 Captain Atoms. Also, New 52 Atom is a straight up energy being. He can't be hurt by physical attacks. Also, he has shown to be able to give ordinary humans powers. Couldn't he just give Batman super speed and strength, or Atoms powers completely. So you have Batman w/Cap Atom powers and GL ring, Captain Atom, and Breach with the Insider Suit. Also, Aku cannot hurt my characters. Sending them away is against the rules.

You can't clone Captain Atom dude.

  1. If I can't clone Thanoseid, World War Hulk, or Aku, then you can't clone Captain Atom.
  2. My team has more than just physical attacks. (Thanoseid's power set, Gamma Radiation, Magic, etc.)
  3. Not if Atom is too busy with Thanoseid. Also Aku could be assistance and counter that with his magic.
  4. Aku can hurt your characters with magic and his numerous abilities. However, you can't hurt Aku.
  5. BFR is allowed, just not in a grand scale. I can warp your team to another city or something.

@deadpoolrules:

Deathstroke wouldn't do much better with a lightsaber than a sword if Obi-Wan has his Force powers. His guns won't be of much assistance since Obi-Wan has been in wars before and deflect huge waves of gunfire from numerous directions.

Krell isn't even as experienced as Obi-Wan and he could already dodge/deflect tons of gunfire from an entire battalion of Clone Troopers.

This video shows Obi-Wan able to defeat/stalemate Grevious.

That means Aku could deflect all of Raven's attacks so both of our Assistance would just cancel each other out. But, Aku is more versatile and he can use necromancy to revive my teammates. Aku's various powers :

Shapeshifting: Called the "Shape Shifting Master of Darkness" at the opening of each episode, Aku can change into virtually any form he desires, from a giant dragon to a small insect, or even a beautiful woman. He can also change his size, liquefy himself, stretch, and expand his body. Aku's consciousness can exist even in a part of himself. He typically changes into animal forms that are threatening to fit certain situations, such as a scorpion or an octopus. He is however limited to his own colour scheme, no matter what form he takes it will always be black, red and green.

Known Forms he has taken

  • Bird (uses mostly to escape ) used lots of time
  • Scorpion :used in I and XXX also shown in opening titles
  • Gorrila:used in I
  • Billy Goat:used in I
  • Octopus:used in VIII and briefly seen in XXXVIII
  • Manta Ray:used in VIII
  • Spiked Tubeworm Forest:used in VIII
  • Spider:used in XXXVIII
  • Dark Tentacled being:used in I but also shown in begining opening titles
  • Dragon:used in XIII
  • Chinese Dragon:used in XXX
  • Preying Mantis:used in XXX
  • Mouse:used in XXX
  • Frog:used in XXXIV
  • Fish:used in XXXIV
  • Flying Dragon:used in XXXVIII
  • Dark Mass of shadow tentacles:used in XXX
  • Bat: used in XLVIII

Aku needs no food, drink, or air and is capable of interstellar travel. He also has the ability to spy on Jack through a large sphere he can summon at will in his tower.

As Aku is a great and powerful wizard, he possesses a wide knowledge of magic that varies from episode to episode as the series demands. His powers , as shown thus far in the series include:

  • Superhuman Strength: When Aku challenged Jack to a so called final match he was shown to have superhuman strength even in a somewhat human form.
  • Limited Invulnerability: Aku has shown the ability easily withstand weapons of any sort, such as simply absorbing arrows shot at him or not even being fazed after being hit by torpedoes as well as being capable of breathing underwater and existing in the depths of space, however he was shown to be vulnerable against mystic weapons and the weapons and artifacts of Deities and especially Jack's blade which was forged through the very essence of purity within Jack's father by the Deities Odin, Ra and Vishnu.
  • Fire Generation: Along with being capable of breathing fire Aku has also been shown creating it such as in one comical situation he had to re-ignite his eyebrows.
  • Time Travel: This was the very ability that Aku had used to send Jack into the future at the beginning of the series, though so far it has only been used once and was a one way portal forward in time.
  • Laser Eye Beams: Aku used this ability in numerous battles with Jack and he also used it to destroy the majority of Jack's Kingdom.
  • Teleportation: Aku uses this quite often to appear before those he has business with, such as theImakandi.
  • Summoning Storms: Aku is capable of conjuring storms through will.
  • Magic Materialization: The ability to create objects out of thin air. He once used this ability to conjure gold, jewels, and treasure for the Imakandi.
  • Psychokinesis: Aku has shown the ability to move objects with his mind alone.
  • Sonic Scream: Aku was shown capable of producing a powerful scream that causes massive damage to the landscape.
  • Necromancy: Aku has been shown in one episode to be capable of animating countless dead bodies, and bending them to his will as they have neither mind nor soul.

A significant aspect in the series is that Aku is ageless and immortal. Aku's body is immune to nearly all forms of physical injury. If wounded, the wounds inflicted upon him will regenerate in moments. He can only be harmed and finally defeated by Jack's samurai sword. It is notable that Aku is also vulnerable to various magical and divine attacks (such as the powers and artifacts of gods).

Although Aku can transform into any form, his reflection will show his normal form, most noticeable when Aku turns into a hermit, and asks Jack to look for the god's artifacts. When Jack and Aku are in the swamp, Aku shows his normal form even when he is transformed into his hermit form. He will always have the same reflection, so he splashes the water, and uses the ripples to hide his reflection.

"Be water my friend"

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