Viner Challenge Tournament

Welcome, to the Viner Challenge Tournament!

How does this work?

1. Challenge an opponent, pick the team parameters in which you would like to debate, and I will create the Round 1 tournaments for the two of you. Round 2 will be much the same, but you will be limited to challenging people who have advanced to the second round, and again, you will choose the team parameters.
2. Choose your battle conditions, the two of you will tell me if you want prep, no prep, bfr disabled, etc. However, you will both be going into this battle blind. I will decide the conditions, perks, goals, etc. So you will debate on an even playing field
3. When players are locked in, I'll create a PM. I will create a PM once you are all ready to go. This should take about a week or more to set up, just an FYI. So if you're in another tournament, this won't start for awhile, so no worries there.
4. Don't challenge an opponent, If you want, you can sign up and wait to be challenged. You can even pick a level you want to debate at, your choice.

What makes this tournament unique?

Well, unlike other tournaments, this offers more customization for the debaters. You choose your conditions and your teams from round to round, and you are not stuck with a static team. This allows each round to cater to the players needs.

Tournament Rules:

§ All parties involved in a debate must state they are ready for voting before votes are taken into consideration. Meaning anyone who votes prior to this point will be discounted.

§ Personal attack are prohibited. At any point, if you insult your fellow debater(s), and they feel personally insulted, I will ask you apologize for the jest. I'm not talking about joking around, or meaningless jabs at one another, I'm talking about over the line insulting and ridicule. If someone is offended, either apologize, or under the even someone really crosses a line, they will be flagged and kicked out of the tournament.

§ Feats must be backed up with scans, or at the very least sourced. For example, if you know something happened and what issue it's from, but don't have the scan, just source the issue. If you can find the scan, great. However, if you are just pulling information off a wiki, and can't find what issue it's actually from, then as far as I'm concerned it is irrelevant. Even sourcing the Story Arc would be fine.

§ Follow the character rules, battle rules, and the scenarios given.

§ As always, respect each other.

Character Rules

• No one shot or limited feat characters... Everyone you choose must meet one of the following criteria (and yes, it has to be the version you are using that fits it): Appeared in 10 or more comics, Appeared in 5 or more manga books, Have at least 10 minutes of combat showings, be a major character in at least one book, appeared in at least 5 episodes of their tv series. If your character doesn't follow this criteria or is from another source you may ask, but they probably won't be allowed.
• Picking someone outside the guidelines is forbidden... They will be instantly removed from your team if they are revealed to be well above the guidelines, and you will be forced to debate absent one player!
• No nerfing! We can eliminate powers, that's okay. However, no picking 100+ tonners and then toning them down to be 5-6 tonners or whatever. If they have a power that is above the limits, they are simply not allowed. This includes power amping themselves to above the limits.
• No equipment outside of their universe, or what they have been seen using... You can make a case for Deadpool with adamantium katanas. You cannot make a case for Deathstroke with the muramasa

Teams and Character dynamics:

• You will be picking from a set of guidelines and debating with characters that fit that criteria...That is, you will be picking from: Street Level Threat, Street Level Threat+, City Level Threat, Planetary Threat, Cosmic Threat, or Cosmic Teambuster
• Feel free to mix and match. As in, you may do a challenge with 2 city levelers and one street leveler. Or 3 street levelers and one street leveler+. It's up to you to choose for the most part.
• You may use characters who are below the category chosen if you wish... If it's street level plus and you want Batman, you can have him, even though he's a street leveler. Same with if you want Punisher in a cosmic match for whatever reason.
• Team size is limited. No greater than 5 characters, no fewer than 2 characters per team.
• Teams are allowed to be voted on... Not just by you two, but by everybody involved in the tournament. If someone is unfamiliar with a character, and you try to take advantage of that and sneak in someone who is overpowered, you will be punished, or that character may be thrown out.

Threat Levels:

Street Level

• No more than 2 powers
• Strength max is 4 tons
• Outside of gear, no
• Nobody above peak human speeds and reflexes
• Energy blast maximum strength is no more powerful than a .50 caliber rifle.
• No adamantium or vibranium
• No telepathy

Street Level+

• No more than 5 powers
• Strength Maximum is 25 tons
• Speed below Mach 1
• Reflexes limited to Iron Fist levels
• Durability limited to Spiderman and/or Beast
• Energy blast, maximum strength is no more powerful than a fragmentation grenade
• Limited Vibranium / Adamantium / Enhanced Metals / Enhanced Materials. I will allow Wolverine, but no suits (Black Panther with Vibranium Suit not allowed)
• Limited to mind reading
• Cloners and Duplicators can make up to 3 clones or duplicates.

City Level

• Strength Maximum is 80 Tons
• Speed must be equal to or below Mach 8
• Durability is limited to Iron Man level (Bleeding Edge Armor)
• Energy Blast maximum strength is powerful enough to destroy a building (smaller than a skyscraper, about the size of a bar or liquor store)
• No limitation on enhanced metals
• Can read minds across the city, and can control minds
• Cloners and Duplicators can make up to 5 clones or duplicates

Planetary

• Savage Hulk strength
• Speed limited to Wonder Woman level (below Superman)
• Savage Hulk durability
• Energy Blast maximum strength is powerful enough to wipe out a city
• No limitation on enhanced metals
• Moondragon / Martian Manhunter level telepathy is allowed

Cosmic

• Silver Surfer level characters
• Herald level to be more specific

Cosmic Teambuster

• Below the Tyrant
• Below Skyfather level
• Thanos level characters (including Darkseid, Orion, Despero, etc.)

Current Challengers:

YoungJustice vs. Esquire

Killemall vs. beatboks1

Strider92 vs. HigorM

CadenceV2 vs. laflux

Sherlock vs. Floopay

nickthedevil vs.

Mr_Ingenuity vs.

Donovan Montgomery

I will not be joining unless I am challenged (in which case, someone else will have to make our battle), or unless someone is left signed up, but unchallenged.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

I challenge @Esquire, he can go ahead and choose th conditions.

Team (In order)

Daken

Dr.Doom

Morg the Executioner (w/ Waters of Life)

Kid Flash (Wally)

Superboy Prime

Shoot, didn't see the speed limit for number 4. Change I'm a sec.

@YoungJustice said:

Shoot, didn't see the speed limit for number 4. Change I'm a sec.

You may wanna read the rules again :P

You get a team of 3-5, and you choose the level you want to argue at. Street Level, Cosmic, etc. You don't choose one of each :P

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@YoungJustice: I'm on this so hard. What levels do you want to use? I'm thinking

• 1 Street Level +
• 1 City Level
• 2 Planetary Levels
• 1 Cosmic Level

How's that sound?

@Floopay You're brilliant. Also, are you dropping out of Nick's Going Away Tourney? I haven't seen your match posted.

Ok since i have never been a part of a tournament lets try one.

My team (cosmic teambuster class)

1. Thanos (Pre - Bendis's pointless Retcon)

2. Monarch (Final Crisis, Captain Atom in Containment Shield version as opposed to orginal Hank Hall)

3. Silver Surfer

@beatboks1: Sounds interesting, although i dont know a lot about MAtthew Tyler? he isnt the Hour man one million is he? That guy would be overkill. Also doesnt Mordru seem a little too powerful, Dr. Fate i dont mind. Magic vs Cosmic is very hard to argue though.

@beatboks1: Oh hour man one million is too damn scary, a complete control over time is not something i can counter. Alan Scott sounds good as long as you follow the restriction , unbound starheart would be a little too much.

I have no clue who ray is apart from that fact that he is light manipulator but if he is on the same leagues as say Alan Scott with morals on than it seems fine.

Ultra Humanite i would not mind, the problem being apart from Silver Surfer, neither of the character have actually ever been affected by telepathy, at least for Thanos we know telepathy doesnt work on him unless he allows, not too sure about Monarch. John Constantine i wouldnt mind, but its a random encounter, you see wanna go there?

Also lets go most random encounter, perp against Thanos is hard to put a limit at, specially when he has a team buster and now that we have on panel confirmation he can track powerful artificats, and unless hampered by plot Thanos should be able to get his hands on cosmic cube, ultimate nullifier as well as infinity gauntlet with mere 30 mins prep (the formal two are in shield headquarter, the last one is in illumaniti valut, and Thanos has telepathy Monarch has more than enough firepower that neither shield nor illumaniti can stop them form taking those items).

@Floopay: Cool Idea bro.

I like to try my hand at this and I challenge .... FLOOPAY! I been thinking awhile of super solider vs super soldier.

I wanted Ultimate Captain America vs Cloud at least. That be what? Street Level Plus?

Then we can throw in 1 or 2 more Street+ or City.

I was thinking...

Ultimate Captain America with Shield, Sub Machine Gun, Frag Grenades, Flash Bangs, Tear Gas, Taser, and HVGs. (Street+)

Captain Titus with Power Armour, Iron Halo, Storm Bolter, Plasma Pistol, Power Ax, Frag Grenades. (City)

Liara with Predator Pistol, Biotics (City)

@beatboks1: Sounds all good, so if Ray cant be harmed and keeps reforming (assuming i am understanding it correctly) then could you change that to a different character? How do i beat someone who keeps reforming? If however it is possible that he can be KOed then the power level sounds fine.

Also i think we should ban time manipulation, what do you think? Coz one of the character stops time, i have nothing to counter :p thats downright cheating :p

As long as you can help out with those rest sound perfect, should be a cool battle.

Lets go random encounter, prep with Thanos is just hard to explain. I know nothing about Ultra so will get to learn. Sorry misread that, so you are going with Fate, sounds fair enough.

I am pretty sure you will win, its my first time in a tournament and i am a little overwhelmed going against the top tournament debator. but lets give it a try.

You know what @Floopay? Im taking @laflux: for a little payback.

Ill take all three with Ultimate Captain America, Ultimate Wolverine, and Ultimate Spider-Man with Venom Suit.

@laflux said:

@CadenceV2 said:

You know what @Floopay? Im taking @laflux: for a little payback.

Ill take all three with Ultimate Captain America, Ultimate Wolverine, and Ultimate Spider-Man with Venom Suit.

Payback for what. Didn't we draw in our last CaV battle?

@laflux: ..... Im pretty sure you won 4-2.... It what eva, Now Im going to debate like a fiend this time!

@Esquire said:

@YoungJustice: I'm on this so hard. What levels do you want to use? I'm thinking

• 1 Street Level +
• 1 City Level
• 2 Planetary Levels
• 1 Cosmic Level

How's that sound?

I like it.

Team

Prep?

@YoungJustice said:

@Esquire said:

@YoungJustice: I'm on this so hard. What levels do you want to use? I'm thinking

• 1 Street Level +
• 1 City Level
• 2 Planetary Levels
• 1 Cosmic Level

How's that sound?

I like it.

Team

Prep?

I'd say a small amount of prep would be good. I'm not sure how much input we get, but I'm thinking a day or less? And I'd say either no BFR or maybe you can only BFR one of your opponent's characters. Also, morals on and in character? Anything you disagree with or want to add?

@Esquire said:

@Floopay You're brilliant. Also, are you dropping out of Nick's Going Away Tourney? I haven't seen your match posted.

Waiting for someone to make one with me in it for Nick's Going Away Tourney.... I make too many battles, someone else can post mine for a change :P

Looking for more challengers.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@beatboks1 said:

I'm in, whoever wants to challenge me. @Killemall ???

Planetary, cosmic or cosmic team buster levels ( of course)

@Floopay said:

• Speed limited to Wonder Woman level (below Superman)

In most Aspects Diana's speed is above Clark. He can get to greater pure speed, but her combat speed and reflexes leave him for dead

I was referring to Speed limit, no reflex or combat speed limit on that round. As in, travel speed.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@beatboks1: Ok its just minor time manipulation as oppose to outright time stopping, then it sounds fair enough. All looks good.

I am still very skeptical on the Ray though, Alan is fine , Fate is fine, Ray erm dont know. But meh lets try.

@YoungJustice Any other rules you want to add, or are you ready to make teams?

Remember, it was

• Street Level Plus
• City Level
• Two Planet Levels
• Cosmic Level

@Esquire said:

@YoungJustice Any other rules you want to add, or are you ready to make teams?

Remember, it was

• Street Level Plus
• City Level
• Two Planet Levels
• Cosmic Level

Eh, I think thats good.

My team.

SL+: Daken

City Level: Zatanna

Planet (1): Dr.Fate

Planet (2): Dr.Doom

Cosmic: Wally West

@YoungJustice: Convince me that Zatanna is below "Energy Blast maximum strength is powerful enough to destroy a building."

I see you're going with a magic focus. Interesting. I'm thinking of using the team below, but I'd prefer not to debate against Wally. The problem with speedsters of that level is they pretty much invalidate every non-speedster on the battlefield. Wally could solo both teams before they can react, and the only way to counter is a) time manipulation, which also invalidates every other character, or another Speedster, which still limits the debate to which speedster is better. Would you mind changing him? If you want to stick with him, I can try something crazy like Amazo, Mimic, and Reaper, I suppose. That could be fairly interesting.

Regardless, my first draft of a team:

Street Level Plus: Spider-Man

City Level: Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes)

Planet Level: Martian Manhunter

Planet Level: Black Adam

Cosmic Level: Mister Majestic

@beatboks1 said:

@Killemall:

OK All good. Honestly I'd say Ray sits a little below both Surfer ( well more than a little) and Monarch. His power level has been described as limitless, but the feats to support are few and far between ( in actual fact i can only think of one REALLY high end energy feat).

Guess we just have to wait for @Floopay to set up our scenario now

Our matched just got side-tracked, where is Floopay :p

Damn.

CadenceV2 you have your work cut our for you against laflux's lineup.

Best of luck!

@Killemall said:

@beatboks1 said:

@Killemall:

OK All good. Honestly I'd say Ray sits a little below both Surfer ( well more than a little) and Monarch. His power level has been described as limitless, but the feats to support are few and far between ( in actual fact i can only think of one REALLY high end energy feat).

Guess we just have to wait for @Floopay to set up our scenario now

Our matched just got side-tracked, where is Floopay :p

The tournament starts next week. Looking forward to making most of these matches, hopefully we can get some more contestants.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Esquire:

NVM on Zatanna, since I really dont want her all that much.

Wally can go.

SL+: Daken

City Level: Dazzler

Planet (1): Dr.Fate

Planet (2): Dr.Doom

Cosmic: Doctor Destiny (Pre-Crisis)