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#1 Posted by AgentJ07 (127 posts) - - Show Bio

So, I did Man of Steel Superman vs Vilgax and most viners thought Vilgax would win. How would he fare against animated versions of Justice League heroes?

Vilgax from Alien Force movie Vengeance of Vilgax.

Only feats from JL/JLU allowed for DCers. Fight in Metropolis. Normal morals.

Round 1:- Hawk Girl

Round 2:- Wonder Woman

Round 3:- Green Lantern(John)

Round 4:- Flash/Wally West(no speed force)

Round 5:- Superman

Round 6:- Martian Manhunter

Round 7:- Darkseid

Starting distance 2 miles.

Can Ben10's arch enemy defeat the Justice League? Does he clear it or not?

#2 Posted by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops 2 possibly 3

#3 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

Darseid is the only one who Vilgax will have trouble against. Can clear it.

@uchiha454: Seriously? Wonder Woman? Same person who broke her hand trying to punch Mongul?

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#4 Edited by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Darseid is the only one who Vilgax will have trouble against. Can clear it.

@uchiha454: Seriously? Wonder Woman? Same person who broke her hand trying to punch Mongul?

Vilgax never seemed that strong imo ben continuously brought him down and not with high level aliens either and yea I forgot how weaker that wonder woman is but I still doubt he is clearing I'll give him to 4 Flash was impressive in JLU IIRC

#5 Edited by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchiha454: This is Alien Force Vilgax. He overpowered Humungosaur on many occasions and tanked a hit from a full sized Humungosaur. None of the opponents here are as strong as Humungosaur. Not even Darkseid.

Flash was only impressive when he blitzed LexBrainiac using Speed

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#6 Posted by Dratini1331 (6975 posts) - - Show Bio
@agentj07 said:

Round 4:- Flash/Wally West(no speed force)

You are aware that without speed force, Wally is just a normal dude. A dude capable of hauling a 400 pound gorilla several hundred yards, but still, just a normal guy.

#7 Edited by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchiha454: Flash was only impressive when he blitzed LexBrainiac using Speed Force which is not allowed here. Flash is slower than XLR8 and Vilgax has reacted to XLR8 on various occasion.

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#8 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dratini1331: Flash, without Speed Force is still a speedester in JLU verse. There was only one time he used Speed Force when he blitzed LexBraniac.

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#9 Edited by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

@uchiha454: This is Alien Force Vilgax. He overpowered Humungosaur on many occasions and tanked a hit from a full sized Humungosaur. None of the opponents here are as strong as Humungosaur. Not even Darkseid.

Flash was only impressive when he blitzed LexBrainiac using Speed

I know that is the moment I was referring to he out shined the rest of the league as they stood their and did nothing I don't think Vilgax can get through that unless it is Diagon or herald of Diagon vilgax I don't see him clearing

#10 Posted by Dratini1331 (6975 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Speed force is always on flashes, it's where they get their powers from. Wally just got sucked into the speed force in the episode, it wasn't him expressly using it. DCAU has the same basic lore for the characters.

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#12 Posted by Jmarshmallow (3584 posts) - - Show Bio

@agentj07 said:

Round 4:- Flash/Wally West(no speed force)

What in the world does that mean?

Jmarshmallow

#13 Posted by AgentJ07 (127 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by Experio (14130 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 6.

#15 Posted by Jmarshmallow (3584 posts) - - Show Bio

@agentj07: Oh, alright then.

In that case, this:

@experio said:

Stops at 6.

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#16 Edited by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash is useless then I think Superman could stalemate vilgax but not beat him Manhunter can stop him.

#17 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Doesn't he need that special glove or something I recall him having a lot of trouble when the ectonurites invaded his planet?

#19 Edited by Jgames (1621 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears or stop at darkside

#20 Edited by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@uchiha454: Yeshe does need his gloves but that'd be completely new thing to MM. The reason Vilgax had problem when Ectonurites invaded Vilgaxia was because they were possesing his men and turning them into Ectonurites.

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#21 Posted by swordmasterD (1763 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331: I think it means no putting vilgax in the speed force or speed steal though but I can't remember if he needs speed force to speed steal

#22 Posted by Dratini1331 (6975 posts) - - Show Bio

@agentj07: cool, now If only I knew crap about vilgax :P

#23 Posted by Dratini1331 (6975 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331: I think it means no putting vilgax in the speed force or speed steal though but I can't remember if he needs speed force to speed steal

he clarified. JLU can't speed force dump or speed steal.

#24 Edited by swordmasterD (1763 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331: Well then I have no Idea what he means by no speed force.

#25 Posted by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331: Well then I have no Idea what he means by no speed force.

It means Flash can do anything except this

#26 Posted by Thewhitecrownofphoenix_stormforever (404 posts) - - Show Bio

@agentj07 said:

So, I did Man of Steel Superman vs Vilgax and most viners thought Vilgax would win. How would he fare against animated versions of Justice League heroes?

Vilgax from Alien Force movie Vengeance of Vilgax.

Only feats from JL/JLU allowed for DCers. Fight in Metropolis. Normal morals.

Round 1:- Hawk Girl

Lose

Round 2:- Wonder Woman

Lose

Round 3:- Green Lantern(John)

Lose

Round 4:- Flash/Wally West(no speed force)

Lose

Round 5:- Superman

Lose

Round 6:- Martian Manhunter

Lose

Round 7:- Darkseid

Ultra-lose

Starting distance 2 miles.

Can Ben10's arch enemy defeat the Justice League? Does he clear it or not?

#27 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Posted by SirNeko (888 posts) - - Show Bio

By "No Speed Force" you mean that he can't go morals off? Why not? He went morals off in the show, he can do it against Vilgax as well. Flash doesn't run that fast because he doesn't want to damage the surroundings, going near Light Speed will wreck the surroundings as showed in the video above. Since you didn't say that there are humans around, he can easily blitz him around Metropolis.

I don't remember XLR8 going that fast or wrecking surroundings by running. Fastest speed that I can recall was in the baseball match when everyone else were in stand still, still not as fast though. Not to mention Ben has no actual experience in using XLR, he used him mostly as a brat and didn't learn any combat for the alien. Flash in other hand is an experienced super hero when serious.

Stops at 4, Flash wrecks. Might stop at 2 or 3, not sure about Green Lanter and Diana. IIRC Diana stalemated with Superman.

#30 Posted by AgentJ07 (127 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirneko said:

By "No Speed Force" you mean that he can't go morals off? Why not? He went morals off in the show, he can do it against Vilgax as well. Flash doesn't run that fast because he doesn't want to damage the surroundings, going near Light Speed will wreck the surroundings as showed in the video above. Since you didn't say that there are humans around, he can easily blitz him around Metropolis.

I don't remember XLR8 going that fast or wrecking surroundings by running. Fastest speed that I can recall was in the baseball match when everyone else were in stand still, still not as fast though. Not to mention Ben has no actual experience in using XLR, he used him mostly as a brat and didn't learn any combat for the alien. Flash in other hand is an experienced super hero when serious.

Stops at 4, Flash wrecks. Might stop at 2 or 3, not sure about Green Lanter and Diana. IIRC Diana stalemated with Superman.

Flash did it only once. He would stomp if I allowed that feat. So to make it a fair game, that feat won't be counted.

#31 Posted by AllStarSuperman (19985 posts) - - Show Bio

Vilgax

#32 Edited by Cold_Day (53 posts) - - Show Bio

actually, in the JLU, superman is more powerful than MM.

strength. superman

speed. superman

durability. superman

and superman all out is more powerful than darkseid at full power.

#33 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@cold_day said:

actually, in the JLU, superman is more powerful than MM.

strength. superman

speed. superman

durability. superman

and superman all out is more powerful than darkseid at full power.

What about the battle?

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#34 Edited by Cold_Day (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: i hate ta say it, but vilgax clears. supermans most impressive feats just fall short of vilgaxs. but he might stalemate MM, i don't see how strength can beat intangibility. though if he found out about the fire, then he still wins.

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#36 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@cold_day said:

@rbt: i hate ta say it, but vilgax clears. supermans most impressive feats just fall short of vilgaxs. but he might stalemate MM, i don't see how strength can beat intangibility. though if he found out about the fire, then he still wins.

Vilgax can counter intangibility.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/ben-10-alien-force-season-3-episode-2-vengeance-of-vilgax-part-2

Watch after 37:40.

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#37 Edited by Cold_Day (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: so he can, but MM would not just stand around stupidly waiting to see what would happen, and even though his strength is not on par with superman, he still is able to match the empty armor, which can throw tanks with ease

#38 Edited by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@cold_day said:

@rbt: so he can, but MM would not just stand around stupidly waiting to see what would happen, and even though his strength is not on par with superman, he still is able to match the empty armor

Yeah. I'm just saying that Vilgax wouldn't be totally helpless if MM decides to go intangible. And to attack MM would have to go tangible again.

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#39 Edited by Cold_Day (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: he still has telepathy though...

#40 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16012 posts) - - Show Bio

Only feats from JL/JLU allowed for DCers. Fight in Metropolis. Normal morals.

Round 1:- Hawk Girl: Stomps.

Round 2:- Wonder Woman: Wins. I don't recall WW doing anything hugely on par with others, but maybe I'm missing something.

Round 3:- Green Lantern(John): Stomps. What did John do again?

Round 4:- Flash/Wally West(no speed force): PIS off, flash isn't getting tagged at all. He doesn't need to go full speed force for that. Does anyone recall the episode where someone morgan (?) trapped people in their worst nightmares.. Flash is scared of going too fast, because then, everything literally stood still. No slo-mo, no anything.

Round 5:- Superman Isn't getting past him. Superman tanked majority of a city buster easily, albeit he was badly hurt by that, and his fight with captain marvel took place fully on the level as Vilgax and humongosaur fight's peak (hum got Ko'd by exchanging one hit on that level lol).

Round 6:- Martian Manhunter: Starting distance two miles? TP ftw. But did he actually beat non-fodder with tp? idk? 0_0

If he fights seriously, I've always viewed him far more dangerous than superman. But didn't JLU nerf him.. even more than clark?

Round 7:- Darkseid: Darkseid Easily. Omega beams (don't give me that batman dodges them, he's batman. Omega beams dodge him.) And that 'pain of thousand years' or whatever he used on superman. Plus quite serious bit of damage soak.

#41 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@cold_day said:

@rbt: he still has telepathy though...

I don't remember MM using TP offensively in JLU. But I could be wrong about this.

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#42 Edited by Cold_Day (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: not directly, but he used it against Hawkman to get info, then turned him into a drooling wreck. and he can turn tangible inside villas as he has done many times

#43 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

Only feats from JL/JLU allowed for DCers. Fight in Metropolis. Normal morals.

Round 1:- Hawk Girl: Stomps.

Round 2:- Wonder Woman: Wins. I don't recall WW doing anything hugely on par with others, but maybe I'm missing something.

Round 3:- Green Lantern(John): Stomps. What did John do again?

Round 4:- Flash/Wally West(no speed force): PIS off, flash isn't getting tagged at all. He doesn't need to go full speed force for that. Does anyone recall the episode where someone morgan (?) trapped people in their worst nightmares.. Flash is scared of going too fast, because then, everything literally stood still. No slo-mo, no anything.

Round 5:- Superman Isn't getting past him. Superman tanked majority of a city buster easily, albeit he was badly hurt by that, and his fight with captain marvel took place fully on the level as Vilgax and humongosaur fight's peak (hum got Ko'd by exchanging one hit on that level lol).

Round 6:- Martian Manhunter: Starting distance two miles? TP ftw. But did he actually beat non-fodder with tp? idk? 0_0

If he fights seriously, I've always viewed him far more dangerous than superman. But didn't JLU nerf him.. even more than clark?

Round 7:- Darkseid: Darkseid Easily. Omega beams (don't give me that batman dodges them, he's batman. Omega beams dodge him.) And that 'pain of thousand years' or whatever he used on superman. Plus quite serious bit of damage soak.

Vilgax has tagged XLR8 without problem. And has reacted to lasers on many ocaasions.

I didn't get it. WHo wins Round 5?

What feats does OB has? The pain of thousand year was Agony Matrix. It was a weapon which DS won't have here.

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#44 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@cold_day said:

@rbt: not directly, but he used it against Hawkman to get info, then turned him into a drooling wreck. and he can turn tangible inside villas as he has done many times

I remember that one. That was because of Thangarian's defenses against TP. MM did it unknowingly.

When did he turn tangible inside someone? I'm honestly asking. And what happened to the opponent? Its been a while since I saw JLU.

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#45 Posted by Cold_Day (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: in the very first episode i think, he rose up behind two shape shifters, put his hand into their chests, then turned tangible, and they just screamed and fainted. during the missile catching episode, he did it to a missile, grabbed something inside, then turned tangible and the missile just became a dud. to machines, he can grab stuff inside. to humans and stuff, he can just either make them faint, feel pain, or just drop, weak and shivering as he did to that huge headed kid in the other dimension and the infiltration team sent by the government to get the annihilator.

#46 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@cold_day said:

@rbt: in the very first episode i think, he rose up behind two shape shifters, put his hand into their chests, then turned tangible, and they just screamed and fainted. during the missile catching episode, he did it to a missile, grabbed something inside, then turned tangible and the missile just became a dud. to machines, he can grab stuff inside. to humans and stuff, he can just either make them faint, feel pain, or just drop, weak and shivering as he did to that huge headed kid in the other dimension and the infiltration team sent by the government to get the annihilator.

I didn't remember any of this, lol. So he has used TP offensively. I guess if MM plays smart, then he can win. Especially because of TP. But if he engages in a straight battle, he would loose.

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#47 Posted by Cold_Day (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: and lose bad lol, the guy has really bad durability showings, but in the show when the gov was talking about him, they said his powers were: super strength, speed, flight, shape shifting, and the ability to read minds.

#48 Posted by RBT (4072 posts) - - Show Bio

@cold_day said:

@rbt: and lose bad lol, the guy has really bad durability showings, but in the show when the gov was talking about him, they said his powers were: super strength, speed, flight, shape shifting, and the ability to read minds.

Yeah. He was probably most nerfed. Except for maybe Diana.

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#49 Posted by SirNeko (888 posts) - - Show Bio

@agentj07 said:

@sirneko said:

By "No Speed Force" you mean that he can't go morals off? Why not? He went morals off in the show, he can do it against Vilgax as well. Flash doesn't run that fast because he doesn't want to damage the surroundings, going near Light Speed will wreck the surroundings as showed in the video above. Since you didn't say that there are humans around, he can easily blitz him around Metropolis.

I don't remember XLR8 going that fast or wrecking surroundings by running. Fastest speed that I can recall was in the baseball match when everyone else were in stand still, still not as fast though. Not to mention Ben has no actual experience in using XLR, he used him mostly as a brat and didn't learn any combat for the alien. Flash in other hand is an experienced super hero when serious.

Stops at 4, Flash wrecks. Might stop at 2 or 3, not sure about Green Lanter and Diana. IIRC Diana stalemated with Superman.

Flash did it only once. He would stomp if I allowed that feat. So to make it a fair game, that feat won't be counted.

Pretty sure adding and taking out feats is against the rules, why make him weaker? So Vilgax can wreck JLU? Every character should have ever feat allowed. He went morals off in the show once because he only needed to do it once, he can go against Vilgax too if they are losing, in the end he is going to wreck.

#50 Posted by Ashley_J_Williams (5 posts) - - Show Bio