#1 Posted by jsav777 (658 posts) - - Show Bio

  • Ryu
  • Sephiroth
  • Tifa Lockheart

  • Chris Redfield
  • Akuma
  • Megaman X

Rules:

  • For any characters with melee weapons, assume they're unbreakable and can withstand adamantium.
  • Fights win by death or KO, NO BFR
  • Takes place in a Colosseum that cannot be left.
  • Game characters with feats elsewhere can use those feats as long as it doesn't push them over the aforementioned rules and they are originally from a game. (so no using Superman as a video game character and trying to use comic feats for example.)
  • The fights are whole team vs whole team, NOT 1 vs 1's.
#2 Edited by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay would my opponent like to go first?

#3 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001 said:

Okay would my opponent like to go first?

I think Chris might be a bit out of his league here...

Ryu (Breath of Fire 3)

Overview of Abilities

Superhuman Strength - Ryu possess strength above that of your average person. He can break through reinforced steel bars with his body, and can cut through logs of wood with a single swing of his sword.

Superhuman Durability - Ryu can tank lightning shots, extreme blunt force attacks, has been stabbed, and can withstand extreme temperatures.

Skilled Swordsman - Ryu is pretty skilled with his sword

Healing Magic - Ryu has a host of healing magic, protective magic, and healing items.

Dragon Form - Ryu, being of the brood race, can transform into many dragon forms. He is extremely powerful in this form, and can be extremely devastating.

Ryu as a child

I'm going to be using Adult Ryu, who is stronger, faster, better trained, and at this point in the game has a much wider selection of Dragon Forms.

Jump to 2:20 - Gets stabbed in the back and survives. Regenerates to full when he switches to whelp form.

Jump to 8:55 - Ryu runs through a jail cell door

Whelp Feats

Ryu with full Ascension can go Dragon form, but for now I'll open with Whelp Form feats. This is Ryu as a whelp, as you can see his breath weapon is more than potent enough to fry your average human being into a skeleton.

Feel Free to Skip around between 6:00 and the end, you don't have to watch it all if you don't want.

Jump to 10:00 - Gets KO'd by taking a crane to the face. I mean, he still tanked it and survived, and he literally JUST woke back up, so it's a decent feat.

Sephiroth (Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core, Final Fantasy 7: Pre-Crisis, Final Fantasy 7: Lifestream Black, Final Fantasy 7: Last Order, Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children)

Overview of Abilities:

  • Superhuman Strength - Sephiroth has immense strength. After running some math, it becomes clear Sephiroth could easily be Class 100+. He has thrown several hundred pounds over 50 meters and through several feet of steel/concrete effortlessly. He's also held several hundred pounds at the end of his 7 foot sword with one hand effortlessly for about a minute or so, with zero signs of strain. But more importantly, he impaled a giant snake on top of a huge tree, unknown as to how much effort he put into it, but it was done by him, and it was ridiculous.
  • Superhuman Durability - Sephiroth has been struck several times by fire magic capable of destroying large steel structures without showing any signs of physical harm. He has also been thrown through several floors of steel, and stood at point blank range for a wave of heat strong enough to melt the steel beneath him without any visual signs of harm. Sephiroth has blocked an all out attack from Cloud, which was capable of leaving a 1-2 foot deep crater in the steel structure he was standing on, and showed no signs of strain across his body.
  • Superhuman Speed/Reflexes - Capable of blocking attacks from multiple sources effortlessly, as well as keep up with Cloud with zero difficulty. He can cover vast distances in a moments time both on foot and in flight.
  • Master Tactician - Sephiroth was capable of manipulating Shinra, Cloud's party, and pretty much everybody within the entire Final Fantasy franchise. Almost everybody became subject to his will at one time or another.
  • Genius Intelligence - Sephiroth was always a brilliant mind. He was capable of reading Hojo's entire library in a few weeks. After this, he falls into the lifestream and begins absorbing knowledge from there.
  • Phasing - Sephiroth can phase through solid objects, both in and out of flight.
  • Teleportation - Sephiroth can teleport both short range and long range distances, and has been known to do so in order to ambush his opponents.
  • Telepathy - Capable of reaching into a person's mind and trapping them, as well as other people, in that nightmare. He has done this feat once.
  • Illusion Casting - Capable of projecting illusions of individuals.
  • Telekinesis - Sephiroth was able to collapse an entire steel/concrete structure with the wave of his hand.
  • Weather Manipulation - Sephiroth was able to turn the weather from sunny, to a full on storm with the flick of his hand.
  • Rain Darkness - Sephiroth can make clouds of darkness rain from the sky in order to conceal himself and obstruct his opponents vision.
  • Soul Energy Absorption - Sephiroth can absorb the corrupt souls of individuals after they have passed, or just plain absorb soul energy in its raw form if he is exposed to it.
  • Natural Magic - Because of his extended time spent trapped within the lifestream, Sephiroth can cast most magic without the aid of materia.
  • Astral Projection - Upon death, Sephiroth may project himself into the afterlife and continue to exist as an individual. He may also do this when he is living, but must abandon his vessel to do so.
  • Conjuration - Sephiroth created the three Remnants of Sephiroth, with one of them (Kadaj) to act as his vessel when he returns (because Cloud's party destroyed him in FF7). This is useless in combat, but hey, why not?
  • Long Ranged Attacks - Sephiroth is capable of cutting through several feet of steel from a distance with a single attack.
  • Weapon Materialization - Sephiroth can conjure the Masamune into his hands.
  • Flight - Sephiroth is capable of extremely fast self-sustained flight.

Sephiroth vs. Elfe

Jump to 1:30 - Elfe blocks Sephiroth's attack, and it shatters the concrete and steel beneath her feat...

The Midgar Zolom

The Midgar Zolom is a breed of snake in Final Fantasy 7, that are found in one location in the game. They are very powerful, but over and above everything else, they are giant. Now then, the largest anaconda recorded weighed about 550 lbs, and was 30 feet long, and roughly 12 inches in diameter. This thing is about 100 feet long, and about 6-7 feet in diameter, these are rough numbers based on the player's height, and the size of the tree in the following picture. But at those dimensions, it would weigh roughly 6,000 tons. That's a big snake!

Sephiroth encountered one of these...

and what was his solution to the problem? Well obviously a quick fight with it would be...too easy.

Watch the whole thing, this is Sephiroth before he became stronger and more ruthless, this is essentially a training exercise between friends.

This contains most of Sephiroth's greatest slashing feats. As you can see, he can cut through steel like butter and carries a 7 foot blade.

Tifa Lockheart (Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core, Final Fantasy 7: Case of Tifa, Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children, Final Fantasy 7: Last Order, Final Fantasy 7: Dirge of Cerberus, Dead Fantasy)

Overview of Abilties

Superhuman Strength - Without any enhancements, Tifa can smash pews with her bare fist with minimal force. She can leap 15 feet or more vertically with no real issue. She can throw a human being a couple dozen feet in the air under her own power. She has many more strength feats, but I'll provide those later.

Superhuman Durability - Tifa can tank blows that shatter concrete without any enhancement. She is resistant to high and low temperatures.

Superhuman Speed and Reflexes - Tifa can react at speeds beyond those of your average human being. Including fighting multiple super fast opponents simultaneously, dodge bullets, and etc.

Superhumanly Attractive - Look at her, are you serious? I mean come on, easily in the top 10 hottest video game chicks every created.

Magic - With materia, Tifa has access to a wide variety of magic and magical abilities. This gives her enhanced physical abilities, protective magic, healing magic, buff spells, and offensive magic.

I'm giving her all the materia she uses in Dead Fantasy.

Tifa vs. Loz

As you can see, Tifa is clearly superhuman all around in stats. She took the forefront of an attack that was able to shatter a concrete pillar behind her, and she still remained conscious (though definitely worse for wear). She has no materia during this fight, and this is just her in her base form with zero enhancements.

Tifa vs. Bahamut and Creepers

Jump to 2:30 - Tifa beats the crap out of some creepers, these things can throw a human being several meters into the air under their own power, and are superhumanly durable and fast to boot. They can run 60+ mph, and can transform into mist and go intangible. Tifa handles them pretty nicely before they grab her, drag her into the air, and then mist away from her (she handles them pretty handily)

Afterwards, she redirects a blast from Bahamut SIN that is fired at her, capable of devastating a small building under it's own power.

Game Plan:

  • Ryu will probably take care of Chris pretty handily here. He'll open up with Dragon Form, and proceed to use his breath weapon to see if he can't score some quick KO's or kills. Honestly, Chris lacks the durability to tank one of these attacks, and they have pretty decent AoE.
  • Sephiroth has amazing cutting power, anything he makes contact with could prove fatal. Over and above this he is the most versatile character here. Everything from flight, to illusion casting, to the ability to assault people telepathically, make things vanish, teleportation, and magic. Sephiroth will probably open up with making my team invisible right off the bat, and maybe some illusions or something. This should give me a good opener.
  • Tifa is not only a skilled martial artist, but she also has everything from fire, cold, lightning, gravity manipulation, time manipulation (to a lesser degree), healing magic, protective magic, buffs, etc. She'll open up by hasting my party. Essentially doubling their speed, maybe even better. And then move to more powerful offensive magic.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#4 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

Since your formating is all very clean, I'll be borrowing it lol.

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Name: Megaman X
Height: 5'3
Weight: 125 lbs.

Gear: Megabuster,Ultimate Armor,Subtanks (2 energy, 1 weapon) ,Absorbed boss abilites from X1-X8

Abilites:

Increased Damage resistance: Ultimate Armor reduced all incoming damage to X by 50%

Experienced Maverick Hunter: X is an experinced Maverick Hunter and has dozens of victories against rampaging Mavericks over his career.

Plasma Buster: Ultimate Armor grants X the ability to fire a powerful plasma shot that sticks to his opponent and deals damage over as short period of time.

Nova Strike: The Ultimate Armors Giga Attack, It grants X an indestructable attack for a short duration, it causes massive damage and has a short recovery time.

limited flight: Ultimate Armor grants X limited flight and the ability to dash through the air.

Boss Absorption: X's ability to absorb Boss abilities grant him a variety of abilities depending on the boss from freezing time, to generating clones.





Feats: Video 1 @1:50 X can freeze time for over a minute

Video 2 @1:30 demonstrating the invincibility of the Nova Strike.

Destroying a forest by unleashing his Ki

Cleaving Ayres Rock in two, and destroying a battleship with a single puch.

Oni Akuma erupting a volcano from inside and walking away unscathed

Chris Redfield: Gear/Abilites

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Name: Chris Redfield
Height: 6'1
Weight: 216 lbs

Gear: Knife, Incideary grenade x2 Hand Grenade X2, Flashbang x2 ,Samurai Edge (4 Clips), Magnum (6-Shots), Assault Rifle (4 Clips) ,R.P.G (1 Shell), Grenade Launcher (full clip), Assault Shotgun (full clip), Herbs x6

Abilities:

Elite level operative: Chris has 22 years of field experience (1990-2012) as an operative in a variety of organizations including: United States Air Force (1990-1997), S.T.A.R.S Alpha Team (1997-1998), Private Anti-Biohazzard Unit (2003) and as a B.S.A.A agent (2005-current)

Elite level training: Chris has undergone instinctive training in armed an unarmed combat; he is a master of CQC and a number of weapons including; knives, pistols and shotguns. In addition with the loss of his partner (Jill Valentine) during a mission Chris underwent extensive physical training that put him on a closer playing field with the superhuman Albert Wesker.

High level Marksman: Chris was S.T.A.R.S top sharpshooter.

Natural Leadership: Chris is a high ranking operative, he is often the feild leader of S.T.A.R.S and B.S.A.A teams/cells.

Feats:

Strength: Chris's best Strength feat is probably the 'Boulder Punch' from RE5

Combat Ability: Chris has a lot of combat showings, here a couple showcasing his combat skills:

#5 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: As for the battle itself:

While Tifa is casting buffs etc. I'd have X utilize Dark Hold, he then has a minute or so to wreck havock, His Plasma canon could one shot Tifa, and probablly Seph., All that leaves is Ryu. He'd Nova Strike, dispel the Dark Hold, and even in his dragon form I don't see him tanking hits from X, Chris and especially Akuma.

#6 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001:

First of all he didn't freeze time for over a minute, he froze time for 10 seconds. Which would be nice and all, if Sephiroth wasn't immune to that sort of thing, even in his weakest forms, and in his Safer Sephiroth form, he was immune to stop time and slow time abilities.

Tifa will also be opening up with haste, which manipulates time relative to the person it is being cast on. Additionally, she can stop time as well.

As for your plasma cannon. Well, that's great and all, but Sephiroth in the video I showed tanked dozens of powerful fire blasts with no effect to his person, and Tifa was able to redirect a fire blast powerful enough to level a city block, so I'm doubting it'll be one shotting anyone, or even doing a significant amount of damage to that matter. She has also been shown running on top of lava...

Sephiroth:

Sephiroth's versatility is ridiculous, he very well may solo this for me... Your team better have some impressive resistances towards...well....everything...

Sephiroth shows off his phasing abilities...

Only watch the first minute.

You can watch the rest, but it's pointless for this debate :P

The Videos Below: These are mostly of Sephiroth's clone, which are created from Sephiroth's consciousness. They aren't as powerful as him, they are much like Kadaj in the previous videos. Sephiroth is actually much more powerful than these guys, I'll dig up some more later, but for now these'll have to suffice.

Sephiroth has teleportation, as well as some other abilities.

Sephiroth first displays teleportation:

10:45-11:15 - Sephiroth seems to phase walk, and then teleport in this scene

Note: You can watch the rest of the video...but it's 100% irrelevent.... :P

Sephiroth displays teleportation a few more times...

0:00-1:30 - Sephiroth teleports several times, displays flight, phase walking, etc.

19:30-20:45 - Sephiroth teleports in out of nowhere, displays flight, and then compels Cloud to give him the Black Materia (which is needed to call forth a giant meteor to crush a portion of the planet, but not destroy it). Cloud starts running to Sephiroth, but it's in slow motion, you can see Cloud's spirit attempting to save him from himself, but is unable to do so at this point in the game.

Sephiroth has telepathy, illusion casting, mental assaults, etc.

Sephiroth displays telepathy, speaking to everyone's minds within the northern crater, does some illusion casting, teleports more, flight, levitation etc.

Note: the rest of this video is completely irrelevent, feel free to watch it if you REALLY want, but again, nothing special in there.

6:45-7:00 - Sephiroth clone easily puts down Cloud and his party after appearing out of nowhere and flying into them with a single attack. Also, you can see he is somehow broadcasting his thoughts to everybody in the northern crater.

Sephiroth displays more illusion, and some telepathic assault abilities.

0:00-6:30 - Feel free to skim through it - Sephiroth drags the full party into Cloud and Tifa's darkest memory.

7:30-8:30 - Sephiroth KO's the entire party, and sends Barret into an illusions. When he comes out of the illusion, he can't see anybody. At that point Sephiroth, who has now cloaked himself to look like Tifa, appears and send Barret to the party, so that he may obtain the Black Materia he desires. At this point you see the whole party on the ground, KO'd and just coming to.

Ryu

Ryu is an incredible warrior of legend. His brood powers allow him not only increased physical stats in his base form, and also give him incredible healing and protective magic, but they also allow him to transform into a number of extremely powerful dragon like creatures. He is a master of the elements, of shadow magic, of light magic, and can go so far mimic the nature of his party members with his forms.

Ryu fights Dragon Slayers...people who have spent their entire life honing the ability to kill people like him...and he wins.

Ryu's Myriad of Forms:

This includes the Following:

Fire / Lightning / Ice / Shadow / Light

Forms:

Whelp - The weakest and least strenuous form of them all. Still more than potent enough to fry someone at peak physical condition with a single breath attack.

Wildfire - A fire, lightning, ice combination whelp, haves massive versatility, and is much faster than your average whelp.

Dragon - The next step up above whelp. Several times more powerful, and not very strenuous to maintain at all.

Trygon - Three element Dragon form, it's the wildfire version of the Dragon.

Behemoth - Massive beast, does huge damage, can manage entire groups, and can tank lots of damage, plus has huge defense to boot.

Mammoth - Much like the wildfire, except the mammoth version.

Warrior - Increase Ryu's physical stats across the board, and makes him into a powerful brood fighter. Almost like a half dragon form.

Myrmidon - Grants an incredible boost above and beyond that of the Warrior, and gives huge AoE attacks and the ability to increase his physical stats even further.

Pygmy - Incredibly fast, dodgy, and has great AoE and range. Much like the whelp, but faster.

Tiamat - Some sort of hell beast, does massive range, is incredibly durable, and extremely lethal. Has great speed as well.

Fusion - Ryu dawns certain aspects of his nearby teammates into a special form to reflect their abilities and dawn them unto himself.

Failure Kaiser - Transforms into Kaiser. Increases his stats across the board by quite a bit, making him incredibly powerful, and gives him the ability to fully transform into the Kaiser dragon. It's an enhanced version of himself.

Ultimate Kaiser - An even greater version of the Kaiser form. Incredibly strenuous to maintain, but amps him to unbelievable levels.

Tifa Lockheart

If you think Megaman was versatile...well..you haven't seen Tifa Lockheart. She has a number of abilities with materia, including:

Tifa, with materia can do:

  • Gravity Manipulation
  • Fire Blasts
  • Ice Blasts
  • Lightning Magic
  • Speed up time relative to an individual
  • Stop Time across localized areas
  • Poison
  • Shield over a localized area
  • and so much more...
Pretty much the whole thing contains nothing but great feats for Tifa...and shows off some magic, I'll post more later, but this is what I have for now.
As you can see, Tifa can take blasts that shatter concrete, and she herself can punch through stone walls, and withstand extreme conditions on any end of the spectrum. She is an extremely well trained fighter.

Realistically:

Megaman X showed he can stop time for all of 10 seconds. Impressive, but Sephiroth is immune to such things, and again, Tifa will be opening up with haste, which will move my characters out of sync with normal time. The reason she is opening up with that instead of anything else, is because once that's going on, my team will be able to buff themselves up in no time at all.

Sephiroth can essentially KO anyone on your team who doesn't have any resistance to telepathy, which is probably most of your team. Meanwhile, your Plasma Cannon will only really be effective against Ryu, who is still an extremely powerful fighter who has resistance towards heat, and can go into any number of forms that could tank a blast on that level (though he himself could tank it as well,as he was able to run through steel bars as a child...).

Tifa's Gravity attack can handle a good portion of your team, and she can slow time, which would give Sephiroth a chance to slice many of your team members in half. The guy has cut through several feet of steel and concrete without much effort, I don't think any of your party members have shown that sort of slashing resistance.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#7 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay:

Okay, first I'm somewhat familiar with FFVII's canon and Dead Fantasy isn't canon, it's showings have no bearing.

Second in the video I posted X's Dark Hold has a timer of 72 seconds, the creator of that video, dispelled it in 10 when he used Nova Strike, Giga Attack's dispel Dark Hold. As far as versatility of abilities go, you'd be hard pressed to match X, across the X series of games he catalogues something like 70 Maverick abilites. Including but not limited too: Electricity, Fire, Ice, Gravity, lasers, sheilds, clones, blades, time freezing, black holes, etc. Seph's, TP, also wouldn't work on him as he has a CPU and not a brain. The damage reduction of Ultimate Armor plus my subtanks ensure X is not getting one shoted.

Chris's grenade launcher should be able to stop Ryu, I haven't seen anything that wouldn't suggest it couldn't.

Seph's power is impressive however Akuma's destructive power is far greater and I haven't seen any tank feat that would suggest that any of your fighter's could take more than a single strike from him.

As far as tanking goes for my team, I've shown that Akuma can stand at the center of an erupting volcano unscathed, I'm searching atm for some X and Chris feats and I'll post them in a bit.

#8 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001 said:

@Floopay:

Okay, first I'm somewhat familiar with FFVII's canon and Dead Fantasy isn't canon, it's showings have no bearing.

Second in the video I posted X's Dark Hold has a timer of 72 seconds, the creator of that video, dispelled it in 10 when he used Nova Strike, Giga Attack's dispel Dark Hold. As far as versatility of abilities go, you'd be hard pressed to match X, across the X series of games he catalogues something like 70 Maverick abilites. Including but not limited too: Electricity, Fire, Ice, Gravity, lasers, sheilds, clones, blades, time freezing, black holes, etc. Seph's, TP, also wouldn't work on him as he has a CPU and not a brain. The damage reduction of Ultimate Armor plus my subtanks ensure X is not getting one shoted.

Chris's grenade launcher should be able to stop Ryu, I haven't seen anything that wouldn't suggest it couldn't.

Seph's power is impressive however Akuma's destructive power is far greater and I haven't seen any tank feat that would suggest that any of your fighter's could take more than a single strike from him.

As far as tanking goes for my team, I've shown that Akuma can stand at the center of an erupting volcano unscathed, I'm searching atm for some X and Chris feats and I'll post them in a bit.

I specifically asked for Tifa from FF7 and Dead Fantasy. And though it's not cannon, it really isn't that hard to believe as far as materia strength goes. In fact, in some instances the materia seems less powerful than it's initial showings. Additionally, that version of Tifa was taken from FF7 and is from an alternate continuity of the story line after Dirge of Cerberus.

Either way Akuma and Chris don't have any TP resistance that I'm aware of, and Sephiroth in all versions of Final Fantasy 7 is immune to stop and slow from the time magic ability, so he will be able to assault them telepathically while time is stopped, once they awaken they will be KO'd.

Which means it would be X verse Sephiroth for 72 seconds, and once those 72 seconds are over, it will be 3 vs. 1. Sephiroth can easily protect Tifa and Ryu, and has already shown that he can multitask pretty easily. Akuma and Chris will be out of the fight, as they have no TP resistances.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#9 Edited by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: Akuma has beaten a telepathic opponent before; M.Bison. (In The SF turbo II comic) Bison's powers had no effect on him.

Sephiroth has shown resistance to time magic, X's ability is not magic it is technology based, unless there is a showing of Sephiroth resisting technological time manipulation I don't see him being able to do anything against Dark Hold.

It won't take X the whole 72 seconds to beat a frozen Sephiroth, and even if it did I don't see Tifa and Ryu survivng Akuma.

#10 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001 said:

@Floopay: Akuma has beaten a telepathic opponent before; M.Bison. (In The SF turbo II comic) Bison's powers had no effect on him.

Sephiroth has shown resistance to time magic, X's ability is not magic it is technology based, unless there is a showing of Sephiroth resisting technological time manipulation I don't see him being able to do anything against Dark Hold.

It won't take X the whole 72 seconds to beat a frozen Sephiroth, and even if it did I don't see Tifa and Ryu survivng Akuma.

I don't see why magic and technology in this situation are any different. Regardless of whether the source is magic or not, the effect is exactly the same, time is stopped. Whether the source is magical or technological, the plain and simple fact is, time was stopped, the fabric of space/time was affected, and Sephiroth was immune to that effect....

So time will be stopped, Sephiroth will be immune, but he will be hasted, which will amplify he's speed a few times over, and then it will be X vs. Sephiroth for 72 seconds.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#11 Edited by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: The source matters, Sephiroth's immunity to slow, stop etc. could be the source ie; the materia rather than the effect itself. It's not as if Stop, slow etc. take hold and he shows an immunity, if either is cast the effects are never introduced, that seems to support some sort of immunity to that particular materia. Unless there is some evidenece for Sephiroth dealing with a technological time attack in a similar manner there is nothing to substantiate his resistance to Dark Hold.

#12 Edited by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: Haste only doubles speed. Also if Sephiroth is immune to time materia, Tifa can't haste him, that immunity works both ways.

#13 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001 said:

@Floopay: Haste only doubles speed. Also if Sephiroth is immune to time materia, Tifa can't haste him, that immunity works both ways.

He's not immune to haste, which makes sense. Most of Sephiroth's powers and immunities come from the fact that he's not only imbued with the power of an incredibly powerful alien being. But the fact that he's also absorbed knowledge directly out of the lifestream. Materia is really just crystallized pieces of the lifestream. When used properly, it provides the user with the abilities (green materia), the skills (yellow materia), the enhancements (pink materia), application of knowledge (blue materia), or even the ability to summon powerful godlike beings (red materia).

This is what allows him to cast magic without any use of materia, or to summon his weapon at will. What allows him to fly, teleport, become ethereal, create powerful magic barriers that can repel entire fleets. It's what allows him to alter his form, cast illusions, broadcast thoughts, do telepathic assaults, become all but immune to the effects of heat and cold (at least from what's cannon), what allows him to exist without a body, conjure beings from the lifestream, create living beings out of nothing, and shape them to his will. What allows him to manifest a new body for himself to live in. He can do all of these things WITHOUT materia, and it's 100% cannon.

@Sovereign91001 said:

@Floopay: The source matters, Sephiroth's immunity to slow, stop etc. could be the source ie; the materia rather than the effect itself. It's not as if Stop, slow etc. take hold and he shows an immunity, if either is cast the effects are never introduced, that seems to support some sort of immunity to that particular materia. Unless there is some evidenece for Sephiroth dealing with a technological time attack in a similar manner there is nothing to substantiate his resistance to Dark Hold.

First of all, the source does not matter. If something deals electrical damage, does it matter if it's cast from the hands of a wizard, or shot through a taser? No, it doesnt. If something shoots out a ball of fire that has the impact force of a howitzer and produces a temperature equal to the core of a sun, does it matter if it comes out of a cannon or out of a dragon's mouth? No, it doesn't. The plain and simple fact is slow and stop time are produced by a myriad of sources in Final Fantasy 7. Whether it's from Sephiroth himself, an item known as the Hourglass, the Gun Cannon (a piece of SHINRA tech), Emerald Weapon, or any other numerous sources of time-based attacks in the Final Fantasy 7 franchise.

So here's what I'm going to do...

Instead of sitting here and debating game mechanics, I'm going to keep debating as if Sephiroth is immune to stop time, and when it comes time for voting, I'll let the readers decide. As I will create a debate based on cannon feats, not trying to take advantage of a gameplay mechanic, and attempt to construct a game winning strategy off of it, and complain when someone has a means of avoiding it...

Now then...

Alright, so time is frozen. But by this point, Megaman X has cast Dark Hold, Ryu has gone Ultimate Kaiser form, Sephiroth has attempted a mental assault on your group, and making my team invisible (this isn't something outside of what he can do I showed him doing this very thing in my video of him using mental assaults), and Tifa has cast group haste.

As of now, the only two people standing are Megaman X, and Sephiroth are the only two standing, as Megaman doesn't affect himself, and Sephiroth is immune to time affects.

Sephiroth vs. Cloud:

I have listed below the video how to watch it on either Mac or Windows.

How to Watch this:

Mac: Control + Option + Apple + 8 to inverse colors.

Window: Go to START, go to SEARCH, Search "Magnifier", Open it, hit options, click invert colors

As you can see, Sephiroth has a myriad of abilities shown here, including, but no limited to:

  • Flight
  • Telekinesis (powerful enough to collapse the top of a large building)
  • Immense Strength
  • Conjure Darkness
  • Control Weather
  • Amazing Speed
  • Can conjure his weapon from nowhere
  • Incredible durability
  • Incredible speed

Now, I've already provided several of his feats earlier, so based on those this is how I believe Megaman vs. Sephiroth will go.

Sephiroth has double speed at this point, as has been proven by the Dead Fantasy video, Final Fantasy 7 description of haste materia, and Crisis Core's version of haste mako sphere. Now then, according to Advent Children he would be near hypersonic speed, but that could easily be a different piece of materia that he's using, so we'll use the most common version, which is double speed.

Sephiroth will teleport behind Megaman X, and perform his Octaslash technique. This was used in his fight against Genesis in the video above, and took about 0.9 seconds to perform 8 slash attacks, which is blindingly fast. Now he is hasted, so everything he does will be at double speed.

So he will teleport behind Megaman X and perform an 8 attack combo in easily less than one second. As Megaman X has no knowledge of Sephiroth's ability, he won't see this coming.

Now if Megaman survives this assault, which is doubtful, as Sephiroth's attack go through steel as easily as they go through butter, and have been shown to be capable of cutting through enhanced metals, such as the SOLDIER sword, during Crisis Core. Even if he survives, Sephiroth will hold him in place with his telekinesis, and go in for several more rounds of attacks. He will not survive 72 seconds alone with Sephiroth.

This is a training room exercise, and not even the real Sephiroth, just a projection of Sephiroth, not even close to being near him in terms of strength, but still more than powerful enough to cut a SOLDIER sword in half, a weapon strong enough to cut through steel without dulling.

Now I am assuming with Megaman gone, the effects will be lifted. Now it is Sephiroth, Tifa, and Ryu vs. Akuma. As Chris is KO'd from Sephiroth, and I honsetly don't see Akuma taking on all 3 characters.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#14 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsav777: How big is the Coliseum's battlefield our combatants are fighting on?

#15 Posted by jsav777 (658 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001 said:

@jsav777: How big is the Coliseum's battlefield our combatants are fighting on?

About standard size for a Roman Colosseum. 100 yards in diameter sounds about right

#16 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: Fair enough, I'll present both of my arguments; one for Dark Hold working, on all three of your members and one for it not... depending on votes and all that I'll use whatever argument is decided upon by my fellow 'viners.

Dark Hold Works on all three

I've already more or less stated this one but to reiterate:

-X is facing three frozen opponents and has 72 seconds

-He cannot uses other Maverick abilities or a Giga-Attack (Nova Strike in this case) otherwise the Dark Hold is dispelled.

-It takes X a shade over two seconds to form a fully charged Plasma shot (I'll round it up to 2.5 seconds) that would allow X to fire 28.8 (rounded to 29) Fully charged shots.

-X's Plasma Shot can one shot it also inflicts damage over time. I believe that 29 shots (or 28 and a Nova Strike) is more than enough to take out Seph. and possibly Tifa.

-At best I'm facing a 3 v 1, at worst a 2 v 3, either way Chris is my weakpoint here, he's not beating either Tifa or Ryu in cqc and could probably be one shotted by either. His best bet would be to stay as far back as possible and lay down cover fire with either his Assualt Rifle or Grenade Launcher. Worst case he's taken down by either Tifa or Ryu making this a 2v2.

Akuma's destructive power is so high that it won't take him much effort to one shot Ryu and/or Tifa I see that fight will end pretty quickly. Of course this is all assuming X doesn't use his weapon sub tank and put the surviving member/s of your team back into the Dark Hold.

Nova strike's power @ 3:45

X's Buster Charge time/ power: 4:56-5:26

#17 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay:

Dark Hold Works on two

-A number of Mavericks have the ability to teleport in the X series; teleportation isn't anything X is unfamiliar with. I think X's two energy subtanks would keep him from being one shoted.

But for arguments sake let's say he is; as you correctly surmised Dark Hold is dispelled upon X's death/ K.O. leaving just Akuma.

As I showed in that my earlier video Akuma is capable of leveling a forest with his Ki alone. This is not even Akuma at his full power.

Given we are in a collesium, there is nothing stopping Akuma from doing unleashing his Ki in a similar manner and since we are fighting in a space far smaller than that forest your team is going to catch the full brunt of that attack. His destructive feats in this form are probably enough to one shot your whole team and honestly speaking releasing his full power is probably overkill but just for arguments sake lets say that he did: When Akuma releases the full extant of his satsui no hado he transforms into Oni Akuma.

Here are a couple more videos of what Akuma can do in his base form:

Akuma surviving at the bottom of the ocean, able to withstand the pressure with no apparent ill effect and shattering a battleship with a single attack and in the other sinking an island with a punch.

As Oni you've already seen him survive a volcanic explosion unscathed; we are talking about an explosion that could move thousands to potentially hundreds of thousands tons of debris with tempetures over 1000 degrees fairenhiet and walking away unscathed. He's so powerful in his Oni form his voice can shatter trees:

As far as his durability he has withstood blows from super powered individuals: Ryu, Ken, M.Bison etc. with no ill effect. The ocean feat also demonstrates a high level of durability as of course does the volcano.

Mind you this is just Akuma's striking power I'm referencing, I haven't even touched on any of his techniques or energy projection. I don't see anyone on your team generating the required force to injure him significantly enough to stop him and when he's hitting them they're not getting back up.

#18 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001:

Once Dark Hold is dispelled Sephiroth will use his TK to hold Akuma, and Tifa will open up her slow time against Akuma, essentially bringing him to a screeching halt.

Jump to 1:50

Akuma will be stopped.

As I've already proven, Sephiroth can slice through steel and concrete like butter, and without exerting any effort. He can then hack at Akuma pretty handily.

However, as far as Ki energy vs. Sephiroth...well

Jump to 1:45 - Sephiroth explains that he absorbs spiritual energy, it would be very difficult to use Ki energy to attack him with, or even defeat him with, as he can absorb it, and against Akuma, he could very easily take it.

Sephiroth has proven he can absorb Spiritual Energy.

The Maiden who Travels the Planet

Chapter 4

"It was so foolish of me to compare myself to such a stupid human. I'm not in a good mood. I'm pretty annoyed. Leave quickly if you don't understand what I'm saying."

"I'll do that."

This old man couldn't be saved. On the throne where his desires rotted drifting away, he was going to remain there until he reached the end of his long years and his ego disappeared.

Just when Aerith turned her back towards President Shinra and was about to return on her journey...

Something strange happened. A strange wave separate from the Lifestream, rushed into the Sea of Mako shaking it violently. It was an ominous wave like a great pulse.

"What is this?"

Hearing the screams of the old man, Aerith spun round.

All she could see was the figure of the President being drawn away into the distance. Gradually, the speed picked up extremely fast.

He wasn't on a current. The old man was dragged away as if he was caught by gravity, picking up speed as he dropped. He was heading somewhere in the Sea of Mako, drawn away.

Leaving a long trailing scream of terror behind, President Shinra disappeared.

Aerith felt the pulse again. She knew what it was clearly this time. It was the same wave of the one who ended her life in the Forgotten City.

That man was lurking somewhere in the Lifestream.

"Sephiroth..."

The silver haired apostate angel smiled thinly as if taking away the wicked souls to hell. This time Aerith knew the danger wasn't over.

The Holy she had summoned was being suppressed just as it was about to work. The Planet's scar from long ago... Sephiroth was in the Northern Crater that was Jenova's "Promised Land", waiting for the moment when he would be reborn as his original self.

The Ultimate Destructive Black Magic Meteor was on the move. The devil's hammer that would descend from the distant heavens to smash the Planet was summoned.

Him ripping the evil spirit of President Shinra out of the lifestream and into himself.

Here's some more evidence of it:

Aerith knew one of the reasons why there was a place that the Lifestream couldn't approach. That place had a barrier that Sephiroth setup. The disaster that would fall from the skies, Jenova, brought with it a meteor that created an enormous scar on the Planet due to its impact. Now that place, where lots of energy was gathering to heal the scar, had become a cradle for Sephiroth's resurrection. The flows of life all around were drawn into the unnatural swirl, preventing a discarnate entity like Aerith from approaching it.

Here's him doing it some more, though this time to a willing soul who has Jenova cells in his body:

The thoughts that Hojo emitted was pure madness and it wasn't like the madness that Dyne needed to be intoxicated. Unlike President Shinra's ambitions, the end point of his goals was of certain destruction. Hojo was like a living corpse. He had become a slave to knowledge, possessed by his own madness for science, with no regard of life or his future.

"Now this proofs I have far surpassed Gast who was recognized for his talent, even though he tried to flee from science like the coward he was. If Gast was in charge of the Jenova Project now, he surely would never have reached this stage... Haha, yes. Professor Gast was your father, was he not?"

"...Father realized that the Planet was more important than science."

Aerith found out when Tifa and Cloud’s memories merged with the Lifestream when they fell. She also found out that it was Hojo who shot her father when he tried to stop him from taking her as a newborn sample.

"Ha, that was the limits of Gast. Stopping and not doing what remained to be done was blasphemy to science... Heh, it’s time for our talk to end."

Without showing the least bit of guilt, Hojo turned his head in the direction of the Northern Crater in the distance.

"My son- Jenova's ruler is calling. He’s asking for more life energy. Hahaha, I shall offer myself. Then he will become one with me, the one who he hated the most and looked down upon. This will be our reunion."

Hojo, who had merged with Jenova was drawn away just like President Shinra that time. Laughing happily with madness, he was sucked towards the bottom of the gravity well.

"Let me give you one last piece of advice, Ancient. No matter what you do, it's futile. It's all part of this Planet's system. Many foreign entities from the skies fall into the Planet's life cycle unknowingly and now Jenova’s in there. So where does its soul go? Even if you try to destroy it, it will never disappear. It has merged with the Sea of Mako, drifting through every part of the Planet through the Lifestream. One day, you will all have to live as part of Jenova. Hahaha... It's only a matter of how soon that will happen."

"I will never let that happen!"

"You too will understand someday. Hahahaha-!"

Leaving only his sneering laughter, the thing that was Hojo disappeared outside Aerith's conscious. And then Hojo became a sacrifice to Sephiroth with an expression dyed with joy and madness. Until the last moment before his soul was worn away, he showed no regrets or shame.

Aerith knew that Hojo's death meant the end of Shinra. In that case, Cloud's decisive battle drew near.

She started to run. If Hojo could die to support Sephiroth then there must be something that they could do to save the Planet.

That's what she believed.

Spiritual / Life Energy is easier for Sephiroth to absorb when it is evil or corrupt, both qualities Akuma shares to no small extent.

Even assuming Tifa doesn't get her time magic off in time, Sephiroth could very well not only survive his ki energy output, but become more powerful by feeding off of it.

Over and above this I don't believe Akuma has any answer to Sephiroth's phasing. Once phased, Akuma could literally do no damage to him. As far as Sephiroth's resistance to blunt force damage, well in his fight against Cloud (which I posted earlier), he has been shoved through dozens of floors of steel / concrete with one single shove, and wasn't even slowed down or phased to a lesser extent.

Not to mention he can perform ranged attacks and slashes capable of cutting through several feet of steel.

As for his resistance to heat...well...

Sephiroth blocks an attack against Genesis, the heat wave given off is enough to melt a crater below their feet...he then blocks dozens of fireballs from Genesis, and stands at the epicenter of their explosion and their fiery destruction. The thing to note, is he doesn't so much as sweat when he emerges from the resulting effect.

Tifa and Ryu should survive any outgoing attack. Tifa can create a shield to protect her and Ryu from any massive AoE attacks put out by Akuma, as shown at 5:35 of Dead Fantasy. This is most likely Shield Materia from Dirge of Cerberus.

Ryu and party travels through a Volcano

The feat of doing it is what matters, feel free to skip around or not watch it entirely, I'm just posting it so you know it happened.

Ryu and Party vs. Gisshan

The guy who made the video looks to have farmed Rings of Fire, which make him immune to fire attacks :P

This is a crazy old guy who lives in the mountain, commands lava, and commands these lava beasts.

Note: If you wanna have a laugh, skip to 10:45. They created these monsters called "Vulcans" which are mini volcanos. And when you fight them from this angle, they have a huge ass carved into their backside....always makes me chuckle :P

Jump to 12:30 - Summons Scylla and Charybdis (Clearly a tribute to the Illiad or the Oddysey, but rather than in water, in fire).

Feel free to skip around if you need/want to.

Ryu's Abilities include, but are not limited to:

  • Various healing - From minor to major wounds
  • Protect - Raises defense against physical attacks
  • Shield - Raises his parties defense against physical attacks
  • Barrier - Raises entire parties defense against magical and spiritual attacks (aka, Ki attacks)
  • Bonebreak - Powerful offensive ability, does massive damage
  • Ascension - Dragon forms, which I already listed

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#19 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: Ugh, like I said earlier I'm somewhat familiar with FF7 and I'd forgotten how many fracking abilities Seph @Floopay: has... :P

*Sigh* Realisitically Akuma's only chance against that would be to try Shun Goku Satsu, and try to destroy Sephiroth's soul. It's the same move he used to kill Bison and one of the strongest attacks in Street Fighter canon. The only thing that's countered it (storyline wise) is the power of nothingness

Here it is in game.

Here's a video of it being countered by Gouken.

Given that Seph can absorb Ki, I'm doubtful as to whether or not this would work. If Dark Hold does not take hold (haha) against all three of your team, my team would probably lose.

To elaborate on my position I think Akuma's demonstrated enough durability to tank hits from Seph (especially as Oni where I'm comfortable saying he's nigh invulnerable) for an extended period of time, but with the lion share of his power diminished, absorbed, neutralized or w/e he wouldn't be able to inflict enough damage to put Seph down and would probably have to rely on Seph tiring himself out.

Anyway, unless you have anything else you'd like to post I think we can let everyone decide how this battle unfolds if that sounds good to you.

#20 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001 said:

@Floopay: Ugh, like I said earlier I'm somewhat familiar with FF7 and I'd forgotten how many fracking abilities Seph @Floopay: has... :P

*Sigh* Realisitically Akuma's only chance against that would be to try Shun Goku Satsu, and try to destroy Sephiroth's soul. It's the same move he used to kill Bison and one of the strongest attacks in Street Fighter canon. The only thing that's countered it (storyline wise) is the power of nothingness

Here it is in game.

Here's a video of it being countered by Gouken.

Given that Seph can absorb Ki, I'm doubtful as to whether or not this would work. If Dark Hold does not take hold (haha) against all three of your team, my team would probably lose.

To elaborate on my position I think Akuma's demonstrated enough durability to tank hits from Seph (especially as Oni where I'm comfortable saying he's nigh invulnerable) for an extended period of time, but with the lion share of his power diminished, absorbed, neutralized or w/e he wouldn't be able to inflict enough damage to put Seph down and would probably have to rely on Seph tiring himself out.

Anyway, unless you have anything else you'd like to post I think we can let everyone decide how this battle unfolds if that sounds good to you.

I'm about ready for voting, how about you?

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#21 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3981 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: Yup, me too.

@jsav777: We're ready for votes

#22 Posted by jsav777 (658 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sovereign91001: K voting is now open