@Sovereign91001 said:
@Floopay: Haste only doubles speed. Also if Sephiroth is immune to time materia, Tifa can't haste him, that immunity works both ways.
He's not immune to haste, which makes sense. Most of Sephiroth's powers and immunities come from the fact that he's not only imbued with the power of an incredibly powerful alien being. But the fact that he's also absorbed knowledge directly out of the lifestream. Materia is really just crystallized pieces of the lifestream. When used properly, it provides the user with the abilities (green materia), the skills (yellow materia), the enhancements (pink materia), application of knowledge (blue materia), or even the ability to summon powerful godlike beings (red materia).
This is what allows him to cast magic without any use of materia, or to summon his weapon at will. What allows him to fly, teleport, become ethereal, create powerful magic barriers that can repel entire fleets. It's what allows him to alter his form, cast illusions, broadcast thoughts, do telepathic assaults, become all but immune to the effects of heat and cold (at least from what's cannon), what allows him to exist without a body, conjure beings from the lifestream, create living beings out of nothing, and shape them to his will. What allows him to manifest a new body for himself to live in. He can do all of these things WITHOUT materia, and it's 100% cannon.
@Sovereign91001 said:
@Floopay: The source matters, Sephiroth's immunity to slow, stop etc. could be the source ie; the materia rather than the effect itself. It's not as if Stop, slow etc. take hold and he shows an immunity, if either is cast the effects are never introduced, that seems to support some sort of immunity to that particular materia. Unless there is some evidenece for Sephiroth dealing with a technological time attack in a similar manner there is nothing to substantiate his resistance to Dark Hold.
First of all, the source does not matter. If something deals electrical damage, does it matter if it's cast from the hands of a wizard, or shot through a taser? No, it doesnt. If something shoots out a ball of fire that has the impact force of a howitzer and produces a temperature equal to the core of a sun, does it matter if it comes out of a cannon or out of a dragon's mouth? No, it doesn't. The plain and simple fact is slow and stop time are produced by a myriad of sources in Final Fantasy 7. Whether it's from Sephiroth himself, an item known as the Hourglass, the Gun Cannon (a piece of SHINRA tech), Emerald Weapon, or any other numerous sources of time-based attacks in the Final Fantasy 7 franchise.
So here's what I'm going to do...
Instead of sitting here and debating game mechanics, I'm going to keep debating as if Sephiroth is immune to stop time, and when it comes time for voting, I'll let the readers decide. As I will create a debate based on cannon feats, not trying to take advantage of a gameplay mechanic, and attempt to construct a game winning strategy off of it, and complain when someone has a means of avoiding it...
Now then...
Alright, so time is frozen. But by this point, Megaman X has cast Dark Hold, Ryu has gone Ultimate Kaiser form, Sephiroth has attempted a mental assault on your group, and making my team invisible (this isn't something outside of what he can do I showed him doing this very thing in my video of him using mental assaults), and Tifa has cast group haste.
As of now, the only two people standing are Megaman X, and Sephiroth are the only two standing, as Megaman doesn't affect himself, and Sephiroth is immune to time affects.
Sephiroth vs. Cloud:
I have listed below the video how to watch it on either Mac or Windows.
How to Watch this:
Mac: Control + Option + Apple + 8 to inverse colors.
Window: Go to START, go to SEARCH, Search "Magnifier", Open it, hit options, click invert colors
As you can see, Sephiroth has a myriad of abilities shown here, including, but no limited to:
- Flight
- Telekinesis (powerful enough to collapse the top of a large building)
- Immense Strength
- Conjure Darkness
- Control Weather
- Amazing Speed
- Can conjure his weapon from nowhere
- Incredible durability
- Incredible speed
Now, I've already provided several of his feats earlier, so based on those this is how I believe Megaman vs. Sephiroth will go.
Sephiroth has double speed at this point, as has been proven by the Dead Fantasy video, Final Fantasy 7 description of haste materia, and Crisis Core's version of haste mako sphere. Now then, according to Advent Children he would be near hypersonic speed, but that could easily be a different piece of materia that he's using, so we'll use the most common version, which is double speed.
Sephiroth will teleport behind Megaman X, and perform his Octaslash technique. This was used in his fight against Genesis in the video above, and took about 0.9 seconds to perform 8 slash attacks, which is blindingly fast. Now he is hasted, so everything he does will be at double speed.
So he will teleport behind Megaman X and perform an 8 attack combo in easily less than one second. As Megaman X has no knowledge of Sephiroth's ability, he won't see this coming.
Now if Megaman survives this assault, which is doubtful, as Sephiroth's attack go through steel as easily as they go through butter, and have been shown to be capable of cutting through enhanced metals, such as the SOLDIER sword, during Crisis Core. Even if he survives, Sephiroth will hold him in place with his telekinesis, and go in for several more rounds of attacks. He will not survive 72 seconds alone with Sephiroth.
This is a training room exercise, and not even the real Sephiroth, just a projection of Sephiroth, not even close to being near him in terms of strength, but still more than powerful enough to cut a SOLDIER sword in half, a weapon strong enough to cut through steel without dulling.
Now I am assuming with Megaman gone, the effects will be lifted. Now it is Sephiroth, Tifa, and Ryu vs. Akuma. As Chris is KO'd from Sephiroth, and I honsetly don't see Akuma taking on all 3 characters.
Thanks for reading,
Floopay
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