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#1 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom

vs.

Hawkman and Hawkgirl

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- In character

- 1 day prep

- Venom is Eddie Brock

- Hawkman is Carter Hall

- Hawkgirl is Shiera Hall

- Basic gear

- Battle takes place in New York, crowded. Start 100 yards apart, in view of each other.

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#2 Posted by jashro44 (25557 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say venom. That's also a pretty awesome picture of him.

#3 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

Thanks, I made sure to shop around for a bit to get the best one. :D

#4 Edited by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

team stomps

#5 Edited by tg1982 (2712 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm watching Justice League and Justice League Unlimited on Netflix right now and I have to say Hawkgirl is my fav on the show, so I go with her and Hawkman.

Also I think the Hawks are better fighters and possibly stronger than Venom, but I admit I'm not really knowledgeable on the Hawkteam

#6 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982:

They are definitely not stronger. Venom at his peak has shown some feats that put him in the 40 ton range, the Hawks have always been very low-tier in strength. If they win it will be through teamwork and weaponry.

Venom also has infinite webbing, camouflage, tendrils capable of strangling or smothering, some kind of poison stuff, and borderline invulnerability to most things. Brock!Venom has even shown extreme resistance to fire and sonics, his baseline vulnerabilities.

#7 Edited by tg1982 (2712 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: Oh yeah, I completely forgot about camoflauge thing Venom can do. I never knew about any kind of poison ability Venom had. I'm not really sure who would win, tho.

#8 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982:

I never knew he had anything like that either but apparently he defeated Sandman via bite.

#9 Posted by tg1982 (2712 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: Is that the only known time? If so is it a chance of PIS, or something? (just asking)

And also I meant to say "not that knowledgeable of The Hawkteam" not Venom. I litteraly only know of them from the cartoons (mostly Hawkgirl) so don't know how accurate their portrayal was in the cartoons. I just noticed my mistake in my first post. Although my Venom knowledge is still only average at best, I haven't followed him for many years since the 90's so my knowledge of him may still be lacking anyways. LOL.

#10 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982:

Brock hasn't been Venom for a while so I think you're safe. I forget what Brock is doing right now, trying to kill symbiotes I think.

As far as I know that was only once, so it could be PIS. But I know it did happen.

As far as the Hawkfolks, my knowledge on them is also very shaky, I pitted them both against Venom because I saw a Hawkman vs. Spider-Man thread a while back that seemed to do decently.

#11 Posted by Erick_Williams (761 posts) - - Show Bio

Team
Hawkman could solo's

#12 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by tg1982 (2712 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: Well I think if their (The Hawks) maces are anything like in the cartoons then I think they could do some damage, Hawkgirl's mace was like a walking plot device. LOL

#14 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom wins.

Guys like Deathstroke can almost beat either of those two.

#15 Edited by jashro44 (25557 posts) - - Show Bio

Brock is currently toxin and iirc he beat sandman by biting his sand organs. Honestly that fight was huge pis.

#16 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@tg1982:

I figured the Nth metal should barely be enough to make this a contest. It's still a blunt instrument which Venom is immensely durable against, having taken blows from Thing, Hulk, and Juggernaut with little effect.

#17 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

If you would be so kind, what title is he in right now? I'd like to catch up, I haven't seen anything from him since Lethal Protector and The Madness.

Also that sounds stupid. I'll ignore that then. ^_^

#18 Edited by jashro44 (25557 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

@jashro44:

If you would be so kind, what title is he in right now? I'd like to catch up, I haven't seen anything from him since Lethal Protector and The Madness.

Also that sounds stupid. I'll ignore that then. ^_^

He is currently in venom trying to kill the venom symbiote. I think he will be in next months issue.

#19 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Gah, I really have to actually pick that up. I have been avoiding it because I resist the idea of a new Venom so strongly. I did read Circle of Four though and it was really good. >.>

#20 Edited by Equonox (968 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: N-th metal - gives both of them pretty insane durability, healing factor, super strength (not like Supes level, but probably somewhere near Spidey and Venom), and has been used to disrupt/negate other superpowers (not to mention all they would have to do is clank them around to make the symbiote spaz out).

Agreed w/ @erick_williams, Hawkman may be able to solo, but even if he can't they take it easy. Nth metal mace to the face would crank even a symbiote (in fact, Morphicius displayed a lot of symbiote-esque powers EG shapeshifting, super strength, etc., and Hawkman wasted him). Not to mention they can fly.

#21 Edited by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@equonox said:

@joygirl: N-th metal - gives both of them pretty insane durability, healing factor, super strength (not like Supes level, but probably somewhere near Spidey and Venom), and has been used to disrupt/negate other superpowers (not to mention all they would have to do is clank them around to make the symbiote spaz out).

Agreed w/ @erick_williams, Hawkman may be able to solo, but even if he can't they take it easy. Nth metal mace to the face would crank even a symbiote (in fact, Morphicius was basically an amped-up DC version of a symbiote, and Hawkman wasted him). Not to mention they can fly.

Towards the end of his career, Brock took direct hits from Banshee and got back up from it.

And I reiterate, he's taken hits from Juggernaut, Hulk, and Thing. Thing he was about to kill.

Edit: Also, flying will be tricky if he uses his speed and webbing to set traps between buildings for them.

#22 Posted by boschePG (2712 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: I do some battle boards and as of now (thanks to HigorM) I believe Venom would stomp the Hawks. HigorMs scans just showed alot of stuff and have not seen such for the Hawks

#23 Posted by Nefarious (22948 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom wins but not easily.

#24 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger: Deathstroke would also be able to beat Venom.

#25 Posted by Soothing_Sounds (1718 posts) - - Show Bio

The team wins this by an extremely slight majority imo.

#26 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

Wildcat was able to take out hawkman before. Venom should win this @jackknight: no Deathstroke can't take out venom

#27 Posted by Erick_Williams (761 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: one hit from the maze can put venom down.
correct me if im wrong.

#28 Edited by Erick_Williams (761 posts) - - Show Bio

@equonox said:

@joygirl: N-th metal - gives both of them pretty insane durability, healing factor, super strength (not like Supes level, but probably somewhere near Spidey and Venom), and has been used to disrupt/negate other superpowers (not to mention all they would have to do is clank them around to make the symbiote spaz out).

Agreed w/ @erick_williams, Hawkman may be able to solo, but even if he can't they take it easy. Nth metal mace to the face would crank even a symbiote (in fact, Morphicius displayed a lot of symbiote-esque powers EG shapeshifting, super strength, etc., and Hawkman wasted him). Not to mention they can fly.

Thats my theory, Nth mteal mace to the face ftw

#29 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

One hit from the mace could potentially make Eddie giggle. Repeated hits from the magic mace may make him change his mind but as I said, he is very resistant to blunt force. Spidey's hits usually do not effect him.

#30 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#31 Posted by Raw_Material (3300 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom takes this

#32 Posted by oceanmaster21 (8787 posts) - - Show Bio

cvenom wins hea class 80 tons unless hawkman has claws of hoores i dnt seem them winning

#33 Posted by tg1982 (2712 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

@tg1982:

I figured the Nth metal should barely be enough to make this a contest. It's still a blunt instrument which Venom is immensely durable against, having taken blows from Thing, Hulk, and Juggernaut with little effect.

As others have said the Nth metal maces can do alot of damage, I don't think the maces themselves would hurt Venom, moreso it would be the properties and myriad abilities of the Nth metal that hurts him, but, honestly there is no telling if Nth metal would effect Venom or not, if not then the Hawks wolud probably lose, if it does then they'd most likely win. Either way I don't think it'd be a stomp by anyone.

This is a pretty good battle, IMO.

#34 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@stronger: Deathstroke would also be able to beat Venom.

What are you serious?

The only version of Venom DS can beat is Gargan and Angelo.

Brock and Flash stomp him.

#35 Edited by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#36 Posted by jwalser3 (5279 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

@tg1982:

I figured the Nth metal should barely be enough to make this a contest. It's still a blunt instrument which Venom is immensely durable against, having taken blows from Thing, Hulk, and Juggernaut with little effect.

Can I see scans please? An old friend always said he was o Hulk's level before.

#37 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3:

Bleh, quick look yielded little, but I've seen a scan of Brock killing Thing with his tongue. And in Venom: The Madness he gets flogged by Juggernaut and just grins.

#38 Posted by jashro44 (25557 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl: Venom is a pretty good series. Flash isn't really in the same league as brock (as was shwon when a weakened anti-venom danced around flash) but besides that I think flash is pretty cool. I have missed a few issues from circle of four and savage six admittedly so i don't have scans of stuff brock did in that story arc all though I can get some scans of other things eddie has done in venoms series if you want?

#39 Edited by 18hunt (2948 posts) - - Show Bio

Hackman solos, also that bite only beat SM because of his sand DNA

#40 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

Team will win here

#41 Edited by INFINITE_DOOM (273 posts) - - Show Bio

VENOM win by decapitation

#42 Edited by Irishlad (591 posts) - - Show Bio

The team wins by clinging their two maces together causing Venom to have a hissy fit.

#43 Edited by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#44 Posted by SideburnGuru (1338 posts) - - Show Bio

What bothers me is people saying

"If he gets hit by the mace."
And you think he's going to allow them to just hit him in the face. The symboite has tons of possibility. Could honestly even see them trying to come at him with the mace, only for him to wrap the symboite around the mace and whip it out of their hands or something of the sort.

Not calling the team scrubs, but I definitely give this to Venom. Those hits aren't going to keep him down.

#45 Posted by Web_Flotsam (1118 posts) - - Show Bio

@18hunt said:

Hackman solos, also that bite only beat SM because of his sand DNA

Sand DNA? WHAT!?

#46 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13704 posts) - - Show Bio
@joygirl said:

@jwalser3:

Bleh, quick look yielded little, but I've seen a scan of Brock killing Thing with his tongue. And in Venom: The Madness he gets flogged by Juggernaut and just grins.

wasnt he infected with a chemical that increased his powers?

#47 Posted by Joygirl (19955 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenging_x_bolt: He was, but it was later in the series. This was baseline Venom that tanked Juggz' hits.

#48 Posted by Cgoodness (6160 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Venom is to stealthy, strong, and adaptable for the 2 hawks to battle in a city. If this was in a open area then they would probably take this, but its in a city and venom can camouflage and hide keeping them confused.

#49 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13704 posts) - - Show Bio

i could see them coating him in gasoline and torching him

#50 Edited by HammerDown (81 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins