Venom vs. Cyber.

" It doesn't matter. Cyber has no way of hurting Venom. "

"It doesn't matter. Cyber has no way of hurting Venom. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

"It doesn't matter. Cyber has no way of hurting Venom. "

I'm well aware of this.  But that doesn't change the fact I'd like to give a reason as to why Venom wins, based on who is sporting the symbiote. "

" @k4tzm4n said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

"It doesn't matter. Cyber has no way of hurting Venom. "

I'm well aware of this.  But that doesn't change the fact I'd like to give a reason as to why Venom wins, based on who is sporting the symbiote. "

You wish to pick your poison then? Fair enough with me. "

Venom is not stronger then cyber, that's pure bull. Cyber is also a much better fighter then either venom. He also has claws that can inject poison into people. The poison can knock out wolverine and kills normal people within seconds.

"Venom is not stronger then cyber, that's pure bull. Cyber is also a much better fighter then either venom. He also has claws that can inject poison into people. The poison can knock out wolverine and kills normal people within seconds. "

" @Waffle Fries said:

"Venom is not stronger then cyber, that's pure bull. Cyber is also a much better fighter then either venom. He also has claws that can inject poison into people. The poison can knock out wolverine and kills normal people within seconds. "

1) Cyber's actual strength has not been defined.  TECHNICALLY, Brock Venom could be stronger (IIRC, Cyber is listed in the 800-25 ton range, and Brock is 11 tons).  Gargan, though, is far stronger based on how he's currently being written. 2) Being a better fighter doesn't mean squat if you have no means of harming your foe. 3) The symbiote not only provides a high level of physical damage, but also heals at what our eyes would believe to be an instantaneous rate.   4) Silar Burr dies for a second time in this battle. And that, is a fact. "

" @k4tzm4n said:

" @Waffle Fries said:

"Venom is not stronger then cyber, that's pure bull. Cyber is also a much better fighter then either venom. He also has claws that can inject poison into people. The poison can knock out wolverine and kills normal people within seconds. "

1) Cyber's actual strength has not been defined.  TECHNICALLY, Brock Venom could be stronger (IIRC, Cyber is listed in the 800-25 ton range, and Brock is 11 tons).  Gargan, though, is far stronger based on how he's currently being written. 2) Being a better fighter doesn't mean squat if you have no means of harming your foe. 3) The symbiote not only provides a high level of physical damage, but also heals at what our eyes would believe to be an instantaneous rate.   4) Silar Burr dies for a second time in this battle. And that, is a fact. "

Venom really wins here.   This is like Storm vs Superman where Storm is Venom and Superman is Cyber. "

" @Waffle Fries said:

"Venom is not stronger then cyber, that's pure bull. Cyber is also a much better fighter then either venom. He also has claws that can inject poison into people. The poison can knock out wolverine and kills normal people within seconds. "

1) Cyber's actual strength has not been defined.  TECHNICALLY, Brock Venom could be stronger (IIRC, Cyber is listed in the 800-25 ton range, and Brock is 11 tons).  Gargan, though, is far stronger based on how he's currently being written. 2) Being a better fighter doesn't mean squat if you have no means of harming your foe. 3) The symbiote not only provides a high level of physical damage, but also heals at what our eyes would believe to be an instantaneous rate.   4) Silar Burr dies for a second time in this battle. And that, is a fact. "

" @k4tzm4n said:

" @Waffle Fries said:

"Venom is not stronger then cyber, that's pure bull. Cyber is also a much better fighter then either venom. He also has claws that can inject poison into people. The poison can knock out wolverine and kills normal people within seconds. "

1) Cyber's actual strength has not been defined.  TECHNICALLY, Brock Venom could be stronger (IIRC, Cyber is listed in the 800-25 ton range, and Brock is 11 tons).  Gargan, though, is far stronger based on how he's currently being written. 2) Being a better fighter doesn't mean squat if you have no means of harming your foe. 3) The symbiote not only provides a high level of physical damage, but also heals at what our eyes would believe to be an instantaneous rate.   4) Silar Burr dies for a second time in this battle. And that, is a fact. "

Cyber has decades of fighting experience. He is more cunning and ruthless then venom has ever been. Yelling "ill eat yo brains" doesn't count as ruthlessness. Cyber is at the very least AS strong as venom. If he gets close enough to venom he can inject toxins into venom knocking or killing him within seconds. And the symbiot has been shown to be able to get it's ass knocked out from  physical force which cyber is more then capable of delivering.  I get that cyber's face is exposed. But we're talking about someone with superior fighting skills, tactics and with at least the same strength. "

Cyber has decades of fighting experience. He is more cunning and ruthless then venom has ever been. Yelling "ill eat yo brains" doesn't count as ruthlessness.  

Cyber is at the very least AS strong as venom.  

If he gets close enough to venom he can inject toxins into venom knocking or killing him within seconds.  
 

And the symbiot has been shown to be able to get it's ass knocked out from  physical force which cyber is more then capable of delivering.  

get that cyber's face is exposed. But we're talking about someone with superior fighting skills, tactics and with at least the same strength.      

" @rbysjti: Ya, and venom has fought a lot of people less vulnerable/weaker/slower then cyber and still got his ass knocked out. Brock/Gargan are not exactly smart individuals. They have NO fighting skill. They always lose against anyone with half a brain. "

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Cyber has decades of fighting experience. He is more cunning and ruthless then venom has ever been. Yelling "ill eat yo brains" doesn't count as ruthlessness.  

Both Brock and Gargan have been extremely ruthless...considering Gargan has ripped apart and consumed people, and Brock has suffocated multiple people, which WOULD work against Cyber.
 
 

Cyber is at the very least AS strong as venom.  

What proof do you have of this?  While I won't deny that Cyber could be as strong (maybe even stronger) than Brock, he is far weaker than current Gargan.  There is no definite measure of Cyber's strength, just a broad range.
 
 

If he gets close enough to venom he can inject toxins into venom knocking or killing him within seconds.  
 

There is no proof that such would be able to work on the symbiote. 
 

And the symbiot has been shown to be able to get it's ass knocked out from  physical force which cyber is more then capable of delivering.  

Name one example of this happening which wasn't blatantly horrific writing.
 

 

get that cyber's face is exposed. But we're talking about someone with superior fighting skills, tactics and with at least the same strength.      

 Even Gargan would eventually use attacks to harm the face.  Brock on the other hand, does it on a regular basis. "

Venom always kills normal people. He picks on weaklings who can't defend themselves.  
 

Cyber goes after the big boys. He routinely kicks the hell out of wolverine.  
 

Cyber has punched through steel walls and taken on characters as strong/stronger then venom. 
 

His strength is hard to gauge but it has been consistently been above the ten ton range.  
 

Cyber has admantium  claws that come out of his fingers which would have no problem slicing through the symbiot and cutting brock/gargan.  

And most importantly, Venom has routinely been written by different writers to get his ass handed to him by weaker/slower fighters. 
 

If this happens on a routine basis it must be for a reason. And gargan is strong, ok, got ya. But like spidey said " A loser in a Venom suit, is still a loser". 

" @k4tzm4n said:

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Cyber has decades of fighting experience. He is more cunning and ruthless then venom has ever been. Yelling "ill eat yo brains" doesn't count as ruthlessness.  

Both Brock and Gargan have been extremely ruthless...considering Gargan has ripped apart and consumed people, and Brock has suffocated multiple people, which WOULD work against Cyber.
 
 

Cyber is at the very least AS strong as venom.  

What proof do you have of this?  While I won't deny that Cyber could be as strong (maybe even stronger) than Brock, he is far weaker than current Gargan.  There is no definite measure of Cyber's strength, just a broad range.
 
 

If he gets close enough to venom he can inject toxins into venom knocking or killing him within seconds.  
 

There is no proof that such would be able to work on the symbiote. 
 

And the symbiot has been shown to be able to get it's ass knocked out from  physical force which cyber is more then capable of delivering.  

Name one example of this happening which wasn't blatantly horrific writing.
 

 

get that cyber's face is exposed. But we're talking about someone with superior fighting skills, tactics and with at least the same strength.      

 Even Gargan would eventually use attacks to harm the face.  Brock on the other hand, does it on a regular basis. "

Venom always kills normal people. He picks on weaklings who can't defend themselves. Cyber goes after the big boys. He routinely kicks the hell out of wolverine. Cyber has punched through steel walls and taken on characters as strong/stronger then venom. His strength is hard to gauge but it has been consistently been above the ten ton range. Cyber has admantium  claws that come out of his fingers which would have no problem slicing through the symbiot and cutting brock/gargan.  And most importantly, Venom has routinely been written by different writers to get his ass handed to him by weaker/slower fighters. If this happens on a routine basis it must be for a reason. And gargan is strong, ok, got ya. But like spidey said " A loser in a Venom suit, is still a loser". In ten fights I'd give this 6/10 cyber. "

disagree with your opinion because even Cyber couldn't beat Wolverine.  
 

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disagree with your opinion because even Cyber couldn't beat Wolverine.  
 

Wolverine has defeated Cyber through plot devices.  "

" @k4tzm4n said:

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disagree with your opinion because even Cyber couldn't beat Wolverine.  
 

Wolverine has defeated Cyber through plot devices.  "

well, same goes to Venom "

" @rbysjti said:

" @k4tzm4n said:

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disagree with your opinion because even Cyber couldn't beat Wolverine.  
 

Wolverine has defeated Cyber through plot devices.  "

well, same goes to Venom "

What do you mean by that? "

" @k4tzm4n:  Brock's Venom has taken on lots of foes in the past, but who did he ever beat? Come on, lets be realistic. I know he took on Jugs, but he is in no way in Jug heads league in terms of strength, stamina, durability. I'll concede that Brock's Venom was impressive compared to Gargan. Ya, Gargan has "improved", but what feats does he have? He still hasn't managed to beat anybody besides cannibalizing helpless girls.    I get that venom's symbiot has great durability. But I have seen him get his ass knocked out enough times to think cyber could take him. "

Brock's Venom has taken on lots of foes in the past, but who did he ever beat? Come on, lets be realistic. I know he took on Jugs, but he is in no way in Jug heads league in terms of strength, stamina, durability.

I think you misunderstood me.  I cited examples as to who Brock has fought after you stated he only goes after characters weaker and harmless. I never said he could beat Juggernaut, however he did defeat the majority of the characters I listed.

Ya, Gargan has "improved", but what feats does he have? He still hasn't managed to beat anybody besides cannibalizing helpless girls.    
 

Unfortunately, he's been used mostly as a dumb tank.  His current "feats" include beyond stupid things such as eating Ares and stalemating Colossus.  However, not having feats doesn't mean he can't defeat someone.  His abilities still warrant him virtually invincible in battle against Cyber.
 

 

I get that venom's symbiot has great durability. But I have seen him get his ass knocked out enough times to think cyber could take him.     

 

Are we talking about Gargan or Brock? And when has this happened?
 

Venom does have camouflage, yes? Or at least Brock does (never seen Gargan Venom do it)

"@k4tzm4n: Wouldn't it be a third death, not second? "

the question is can cyber move fast enough to protect himself and can he break out if venoms webs

"the question is can cyber move fast enough to protect himself and can he break out if venoms webs "

" @k4tzm4n: Maybe Cyber's low level telepathic abilities could affect Venom?  Probably not, but.... "

" @k4tzm4n: And control host bodies. That is quite powerful.  That's how Cyber got his second body.  "

" @k4tzm4n: And that means that Cyber can affect Venom's mind.  "

Venom. Quicker and more agile.

Venom. 

" @InnerVenom123 said:

" @Edamame: Venom's sense with the symbiote is not nearly as effective as the spider sense.    "

Poor Venom.  ; ( "

I think it depends where they fight as if cyber figures out venoms weakness he has a high chance to win but other wise i'd say Venom .