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#1 Posted by symbiote5 (2181 posts) - - Show Bio

i think venom wins

#2 Posted by symbiote5 (2181 posts) - - Show Bio

the fight would probally start by the two meeting each other on the rooftops of new york city blackpanther will run into venom venom probally tell him how hes not going let black panther get in his way and black panther tells venom how he snot gonaa et him do wrong the two began fighting black panther tries to wait for venom to attack so that he can counter but black panther brings the attackto him and venom catches black panther by the neck with his tentacles and throws him off the roof then as venom looks down black panther jumps up with his agility and venom strikes him again and then both fall off the roof as they are struggling for strenght.

#3 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

I take BP. primarily on smarts and equipment. Venom's susceptability to sonics puts him at a disadvantage with the vibranium clad BP. Also BP is skilled and talented enough to play opossum, playing on Venom's voracious appetitie for destruction, that Venom will underestimate him and BP won't show his hand until it results in victory. Until that moment his skills and suit will keep him in the fight.

#4 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom.

#5 Posted by Midnight Lantern (6011 posts) - - Show Bio

Which Venom is this? Mac or Eddie?

#6 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

Amen.

#7 Posted by Mr. Wilson (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

Either way, Black Panther loses.

#8 Posted by Midnight Lantern (6011 posts) - - Show Bio

Mr. Wilson says:

"Either way, Black Panther loses."

Yeah. I gotta' agree with that.

#9 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Without the use of tech (prep-time), T'Challa doesn't stand a chance

#10 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

How does Venom work? Would energy daggers capable of short-circuiting nervous systems affect the symbiote?

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#11 Posted by Midnight Lantern (6011 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"How does Venom work? Would energy daggers capable of short-circuiting nervous systems affect the symbiote?"

Most likely not.

#12 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"How does Venom work? Would energy daggers capable of short-circuiting nervous systems affect the symbiote?"

I doubt it. Don't nervous systems lie within the host and not the symbiote?

#13 Posted by BatmanBeyond (202 posts) - - Show Bio

Vemon..."Unless BP's anti kinetic suit fights symbiotes" LMAO

#14 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

That wasn't funny.

#15 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither of those is really a clear answer backed by evidence. Is there a reason to assume it doesn't have some sort of nervous system? I mean, it feels and it has thoughts, things that generally work because of nerves, so I think we need more solid proof to say he doesn't. The daggers can also be modified to shoot intense heat, something that affects Venom. Just don't feel ready to say he doesn't stand a chance at all yet.

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#16 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnight Lantern says:

"Buckshot says:
"How does Venom work? Would energy daggers capable of short-circuiting nervous systems affect the symbiote?"
Most likely not."

and you know that how?

#17 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Neither of those is really a clear answer backed by evidence. Is there a reason to assume it doesn't have some sort of nervous system? I mean, it feels and it has thoughts, things that generally work because of nerves, so I think we need more solid proof to say he doesn't. The daggers can also be modified to shoot intense heat, something that affects Venom. Just don't feel ready to say he doesn't stand a chance at all yet."

I don't know, Buck. I mean, if it feels and has thoughts, it would have some level of sentience (Intelligence, emotions, etc... ). But, the symbiote, by itself, doesn't have all that. Also, I read somewhere that the symbiote is immune to the Penance Stare. If it had the ability to feel and think like you say it does, then it's likely that the Penance Stare would effect it.

Apparition says:

and you know that how?

App, you know better than to ask him that... LOL.

#18 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

T'Challa has a chance. It's not a very good one, but it's a chance. If he can stay out of Venom's way and use his daggers to expose some part of the host's body (as in Mac's fight with Swordsman), he could pull off a win. But he's at a serious disadvantage here.
Post Edited:2008-04-29 21:40:56

#19 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Buckshot says:
"Neither of those is really a clear answer backed by evidence. Is there a reason to assume it doesn't have some sort of nervous system? I mean, it feels and it has thoughts, things that generally work because of nerves, so I think we need more solid proof to say he doesn't. The daggers can also be modified to shoot intense heat, something that affects Venom. Just don't feel ready to say he doesn't stand a chance at all yet."
I don't know, Buck. I mean, if it feels and has thoughts, it would have some level of sentience (Intelligence, emotions, etc... ). But, the symbiote, by itself, doesn't have all that. Also, I read somewhere that the symbiote is immune to the Penance Stare. If it had the ability to feel and think like you say it does, then it's likely that the Penance Stare would effect it. Apparition says:
and you know that how?
App, you know better than to ask *him* that... LOL."

lol dont pick on poor ml.

but the penance stare isnt about synapses and nervous systems, its about emotions like guilt and regret. so if you had a nervous system but didnt have any emotions i dont think the penance stare would work on you, which is probably what happens with the symbiote. though it has emotions like hatred and love but i guess it just has those basic emotions and doesnt have guilt.

but if it can feel physically, like through touch and feel pain, then you'd havta think it has some sort of nervous system and so the knives should work against it. that's what i would think.

#20 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparition says:

lol dont pick on poor ml.

I can't help it. I do it and I don't even realize it sometimes...

Apparition says:

but the penance stare isnt about synapses and nervous systems, its about emotions like guilt and regret. so if you had a nervous system but didnt have any emotions i dont think the penance stare would work on you, which is probably what happens with the symbiote. though it has emotions like hatred and love but i guess it just has those basic emotions and doesnt have guilt.but if it can feel physically, like through touch and feel pain, then you'd havta think it has some sort of nervous system and so the knives should work against it. that's what i would think."

I guess you're right. I would argue more on this, but because Black Panther is involved, I'll give him a slight chance. LOL.

#21 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Apparition says:
lol dont pick on poor ml.
I can't help it. I do it and I don't even realize it sometimes... Apparition says:
but the penance stare isnt about synapses and nervous systems, its about emotions like guilt and regret. so if you had a nervous system but didnt have any emotions i dont think the penance stare would work on you, which is probably what happens with the symbiote. though it has emotions like hatred and love but i guess it just has those basic emotions and doesnt have guilt. but if it can feel physically, like through touch and feel pain, then you'd havta think it has some sort of nervous system and so the knives should work against it. that's what i would think. "
I guess you're right. I would argue more on this, but because Black Panther is involved, I'll give him a slight chance. LOL."

lol

#22 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess my post in BP's favor didn't garner any notice (as usual). Well let me reiterate, the symbiote is a composite creature biologically married to it's host it's vunerabilites( other than out and out dominance) are in the realms of sonics and fire. BP, a genius student of the world around him, is aware of this and if he isn't his databases in Wakanda and kimoyo card will inform him. Venom's battles with Spiderman haven't been discreet nor has his activity as a Thunderbolt, they have been observed which can also be piped to BP via kimoyo.

Protecting BP are his natural talents coupled with tactics and tech. But even greater than this is his scientific mind turned toward the wonder ore known as vibranium. I can seehim using his kimoyo card to attune sonic frequencies to his vibranium suit, turning his whole body into a an ultrasonic tuning fork that was just banged hard. Turning Venom into one hulking raw nerve.

This is extremely possible and probably should happen in the comic in the near future. Until BP uses this master stroke he can use geurilla tactics shooting hot daggers at Venom's physiological weak points. Bee stinging him.

ya'll shoud check my first post to check for tactics he uses before th coup de grace.

#23 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

great post sling

#24 Posted by Sling Shot (3560 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanx Apple.

#25 Posted by symbiote5 (2181 posts) - - Show Bio

Midnight Lantern says:

"Which Venom is this? Mac or Eddie?"

eddie

#26 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

What, with all his tech and money, T'challa doesn't carry around a sonic disruptor?

#27 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"What, with all his tech and money, T'challa doesn't carry around a sonic disruptor?"

How many villains do you know with a weakness to sonics?

#28 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains nothing, BP will take the odd hero or villain for the betterment of Wakanda.

Anyone with enchanced hearing is pretty vulnerble to sonics... and that is not a short list.

#29 Posted by Emerald_General_Jai (2306 posts) - - Show Bio

I think BP finds a way.

#30 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30177 posts) - - Show Bio

Go Sling. BP for the win.

#31 Posted by lionheart (1261 posts) - - Show Bio

venom

#32 Posted by symbiote5 (2181 posts) - - Show Bio

well evryone knows venom weakness is fire and sonics

#33 Posted by Baby Vegeta (168 posts) - - Show Bio

Venom

#34 Posted by Logic Mark III (2121 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesnt Venom have the advantage with range? Im sure he could incapacitate Black Panther with webs from quite a safe distance: he could then take off the Panthers mask and eat his brains or stay at range and just swing Black Panther over a building see what kind of splat the guy makes. Black Panthers vibranium suit must have a limit to how much damage it can protect him from, surely he would feel the effects of a guy who punches harder than Spiderman wailing on him.

#35 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

wouldn't Vibranium weapons work well against Venom?

#36 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as I love BP, gotta go with Venom.

#37 Posted by Skaddix (3114 posts) - - Show Bio

@Satyrquaze said:

Villains nothing, BP will take the odd hero or villain for the betterment of Wakanda.

Anyone with enchanced hearing is pretty vulnerble to sonics... and that is not a short list.

agreed and plenty of people have those enhanced hearing abilities. Sonics also work on base line humans pretty darn well.

#38 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@VercingetorixTheGreat said:

wouldn't Vibranium weapons work well against Venom?

well a lot has changed since this thread was created. VIbranium would probably pierce the symbiote but unfortunately...there is no more VIbranium.
#39 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz: o snap. What happened!?!

#40 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10504 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

@VercingetorixTheGreat said:

wouldn't Vibranium weapons work well against Venom?

well a lot has changed since this thread was created. VIbranium would probably pierce the symbiote but unfortunately...there is no more VIbranium.

You are wrong sir. Shuri the black panther's sister had purchased some from the savage land. In Klaws of the Panther.

If i recall from Priests run panther's suit had some kinda vibrational abiltiy related to sonics.

Static correct me if i'm wrong

#41 Edited by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nelomaxwell said:

@Kallarkz said:

@VercingetorixTheGreat said:

wouldn't Vibranium weapons work well against Venom?

well a lot has changed since this thread was created. VIbranium would probably pierce the symbiote but unfortunately...there is no more VIbranium.

You are wrong sir. Shuri the black panther's sister had purchased some from the savage land. In Klaws of the Panther.

If i recall from Priests run panther's suit had some kinda vibrational abiltiy related to sonics.

Static correct me if i'm wrong

Yeah not quite too sure about that. Last I read in Black Panthers own series there was NO Vibranium left in the world. It was all destroyed.  (made useless)
Anyways, Black Panther himself has no Vibranium whether or not it exists in some remote part of the world.
#42 Edited by spiderbuck (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

^^ That was from Doomwar right?

#43 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@spiderbuck said:

^^ That was from Doomwar right?

Yeah
#44 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nelomaxwell said:

@Kallarkz said:

@VercingetorixTheGreat said:

wouldn't Vibranium weapons work well against Venom?

well a lot has changed since this thread was created. VIbranium would probably pierce the symbiote but unfortunately...there is no more VIbranium.

You are wrong sir. Shuri the black panther's sister had purchased some from the savage land. In Klaws of the Panther.

If i recall from Priests run panther's suit had some kinda vibrational abiltiy related to sonics.

Static correct me if i'm wrong

not quite sure how that is possible though if we clearly saw Panther make all of it inert. All of it. 
When did this purchase occur?
#45 Edited by Nelomaxwell (10504 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz: In Klaws of the Panther

#46 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nelomaxwell said:

@Kallarkz: In Klaws of the Panther

in an interview about that series the writer stated that there is no more processed Vibranium in the Marvel Universe much less in Wakanda.
#47 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nelomaxwell said:

You are wrong sir. Shuri the black panther's sister had purchased some from the savage land. In Klaws of the Panther.

If i recall from Priests run panther's suit had some kinda vibrational abiltiy related to sonics.

Static correct me if i'm wrong

It appears as if she did purchase some from the Savage Land. But, according to Shuri, it's not for weapons It was for hospitals and other unknown uses.

As for the suit having a vibration ability, there's something to that effect in Hudlin's run. It looked like a sonic attack that came from the suit, but I can't tell (it locked up the robot's armor). Priest never wrote anything like that.

#48 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kallarkz said:

in an interview about that series the writer stated that there is no more processed Vibranium in the Marvel Universe much less in Wakanda.

In Klaws of the Panther, Shanna and Ka-Zar had some.

#49 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:

@Kallarkz said:

in an interview about that series the writer stated that there is no more processed Vibranium in the Marvel Universe much less in Wakanda.

In Klaws of the Panther, Shanna and Ka-Zar had some.

a supply unprocessed or made weapons? 
did they explain how that particular batch was protected?
#50 Edited by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:

@Nelomaxwell said:

You are wrong sir. Shuri the black panther's sister had purchased some from the savage land. In Klaws of the Panther.

If i recall from Priests run panther's suit had some kinda vibrational abiltiy related to sonics.

Static correct me if i'm wrong

It appears as if she did purchase some from the Savage Land. But, according to Shuri, it's not for weapons It was for hospitals and other unknown uses.

As for the suit having a vibration ability, there's something to that effect in Hudlin's run. It looked like a sonic attack that came from the suit, but I can't tell (it locked up the robot's armor). Priest never wrote anything like that.

ahh i see. mmmmm well then I guess there are still some forms of Vibranium in Wakanda...but now we are unsure of exactly how much and if it all has been used. 
They should just discover a new mound of leave the whole idea alone imo.