Vega vs Nightwing
Why are the ugly so willing to be shamed repeatedly?
@vance_astro: You knew I was gonna do that right lol. Even you said you think he's tougher and faster. Not to mention he's also a bloodthirsty psychopathic murderer who would be likely to kill Dick for not being what he deems a handsome fighter which equals no morals. Theirs no way in hell that Dick is matching his speed and as if that's not bad enough..consider Vega's unorthodox fighting style (for god's sake the man's grace and agility are basically superhuman and at times it almost seems like he can fly), among having a very tricky fight pattern for someone who is facing him for the first time (think back to the first time you played against him in Street Fighter II..the guy was a total headache to fight be honest. I'll give Dick a slight edge only if he has prep..if not this birds feathers get plucked...
@vance_astro: Ha!! I'm pretty sure all of those scans are of him beating those characters. He routinely runs circles around much more faster and agile characters than E. Honda as well (ex. Chun Li from the animated movie). Although she defeated him in the end, Vega gave her a run for her money and put her in the hospital and by the way..she had prep knowledge on him, his arrogance caused him to lower his guard, which led to his defeat. Then we have Cammy; who is fast enough and agile enough to dodge gun fire (see scan below for reference) but is still tagged by Vega after being commanded by M. Bison to merely test her fighting ability instead of outright killing her. As shown in one of the scans I've posted Chun Li is seen kicking Cammy's ass rather easily. So if Chun Li can run circles around Cammy (a bullet timer) and Vega can run circles around Chun Li who's obviously faster than someone who dodges bullets (Cammy)..i'd say Nightwing has trouble coming his way. The op also said this is in a warehouse. Vega has the advantage of using his environment to gracefully bounce off walls, boxes, maybe a few forklifts...all at speeds that Dick can not match and he with no prior knowledge on him, he won't be aware of his move set (ex. Flying Barcelona, Izuna Drop, Sky High Claw, Scarlet Terror, Mercury Heel, Slide Kick, Rolling Izuna Drop, Red Impact). However if Vega gets arrogant his guard might be off slightly which could lead to trouble for him so i'll give you that much.
:Obviously most people tested by Vega don't survive as indicated by his shock. He allowed Cammy a win as he was told by his leader to merely test her abilities.
OH THE BEAUTY OF IT!!!
@vega8282 said:
@vance_astro: Is this seriously a debate?
Absolutely.
@vega8282 said:
To be fair they both are at a slight disadvantage because neither one knows crap about the other's abilities since technically they're not even within the same universe.
Seeing as how Nightwing is not only smarter than Vega by miles but is more experienced with different types of combatants as well as carrying alot more than just simple melee weapons, I think Vega is the only one who is at a disadvantage by not knowing anything about his opponent.
@vega8282 said:
There are alot of flaws in each one of your counter arguments so i'll name a few. First of all when I refer to the bullet timing feats obviously i'm talking about the comic scans I posted which clearly you need to read up on.
I know what you were referring to when you talked about bullet timing feats but you were using the fight between Chun-Li & Cammy in conjunction with Vega's fight with Chun-Li in the films to validate his speed. Chun-Li & Cammy have no bullet timing feats in the film thus you are using to different versions of a character to make your case. That's what I was pointing out.
@vega8282 said:
The battles between Vega and Guile shown above are from the next street fighter classic volume which follows right after the one your referring to. Vega won those fights..sorry to disappoint you.
Vega's only legitimate win was E.Honda. His fight with Guile was broken up by the police, he didn't win. His fight with Ken was in his favor but his initial attack caused Ken to lose alot of blood and therefore become disoriented. In a more fair fight Ken defeated Vega.
@vega8282 said:
I think I've provided enough valid proof without needing to use anything from the film to support my claim.
You didn't.
@vega8282 said:
How can you simply pass off Vega as a mere ninja? Shame on you.
I didn't. I said he's "basically a ninja"...which he is. He's the usual cannon fodder comics style ninja but he is a Ninja nonetheless. I'm not seeing what you think he offers that will be so out of the ordinary for a character who fights characters regularly that actually have powers and special weapons.
@vega8282 said:
You can clearly see Vega front flipping over a Haduken at point blank range and still landing a kick to Ken; right to the head. Don't know if that's a good enough agility feat for you.
It's actually pretty mediocre. He anticipated a counter attack from Ken and flipped over it. It actually probably would have had a better chance of hitting him had he not gone with a Hadouken because like in the games missing an attack like that leaves you vulnerable to getting jump kicked in the face.
@vega8282 said:
The reason I keep going back to the matter of having knowledge on your opponent is quite simple. Think of how different the outcome of a fight would be without prep. Dick doesn't just jump into battle blood lusted like Vega does. Vega usually goes right in for the kill without hesitation; while Dick usually gathers knowledge first like a detective, which he won't have time to do.
Unlike in the film when he fought Chun-Li (which you brought up earlier) and when he fought Ken in the comics and had the upper hand, he won't have the element of surprise on his side. It's a random encounter in a warehouse, Vega is in plain view. Dick doesn't need to be bloodlusted because he pretty much never is. Dick DOESN'T usually gather knowledge first because MOST times he doesn't have that choice. Where you're getting that it's the other way around is beyond me. I would assume it's the "Bat-Family stereotype", where people almost believe they HAVE TO have prep in order to beat anyone they've never fought before. EVERY new villain or character was NEW to them at one point. Can't gather information on a character that you don't know exists.
@vega8282 said:
I can't debate whether or not Cammy or Chun Li's speed feats rival other characters with speed from different comic universes because I haven't actually seen the results of that to prove anything. So for now that's just hearsay and assumptions.
Because they pretty much don't have feats showing bullet timing. They have about a page a piece. There is no hearsay or assumptions on my part. I've read alot of Street Fighter as well as Nightwing and Batman books he's appeared in. Nothing that Chun-Li or Cammy showed against any shooter was very impressive by comic standards.
@vega8282 said:
Nightwing is a seasoned fighter..but so is Vega.
Nightwing isn't just a seasoned fighter, he's a seasoned hero. Her fights a larger variety of characters than Vega does. I'm making that point to say that you argument about Nightwing not knowing Vega isn't valid. He deals with SUPER-VILLAINS who don't have a problem killing on a regular basis.
@vega8282 said:
I'm providing actual scans which say a hell of alot about the man's fighting and speed capabilities.
The fact that you provided scans doesn't make your argument more valid than mine. It's how you use the scans that determines the strength in your argument, not that fact you used them in the first place.
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