Vatican(Trinity Blood) vs Hellsing Organization

Both are large organizations and dangerous in a battle, but in a prolonged conflict, which side would prevail?  The Vatican has a military to equal most modern countries(I don't know the actual size, but it must be pretty large to deter the New Human Empire).  In some areas, they are more technologically advanced than the present day, but in others, such as computer technology, they are considerably behind in.  Hellsing itself is not extremely large, but in a prolonged conflict would have the resources of the entirety of the UK behind it.  Although "special agents" such as Alucard and Abel Nightroad should be considered, please don't base the argument entirely on these.  This is a war, and these individuals can only be in one place at a time.

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"Both are large organizations and dangerous in a battle, but in a prolonged conflict, which side would prevail?  The Vatican has a military to equal most modern countries(I don't know the actual size, but it must be pretty large to deter the New Human Empire).  In some areas, they are more technologically advanced than the present day, but in others, such as computer technology, they are considerably behind in.  Hellsing itself is not extremely large, but in a prolonged conflict would have the resources of the entirety of the UK behind it.  Although "special agents" such as Alucard and Abel Nightroad should be considered, please don't base the argument entirely on these.  This is a war, and these individuals can only be in one place at a time."

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"Both are large organizations and dangerous in a battle, but in a prolonged conflict, which side would prevail?  The Vatican has a military to equal most modern countries(I don't know the actual size, but it must be pretty large to deter the New Human Empire).  In some areas, they are more technologically advanced than the present day, but in others, such as computer technology, they are considerably behind in.  Hellsing itself is not extremely large, but in a prolonged conflict would have the resources of the entirety of the UK behind it.  Although "special agents" such as Alucard and Abel Nightroad should be considered, please don't base the argument entirely on these.  This is a war, and these individuals can only be in one place at a time."

And I honestly think that Walter would have a Hard time taking out Abel.  And even if Walter destroyed a large part of the Vatican Army, what happens to the rest of Hellsing?  Alucard, Seras and Walter can only be on three battlefields at once."

Each battlefield Alucard had his souls fighting on would divide his strength immensely.  And if he let the souls out, wouldn't that make him vulnerable to being destroyed himself?  My opinion is that the vatican would be able to keep Hellsing on the defense for a long time, but it would have a hell of a time actually defeating them.  The tide could be turned in battle by Abel, Tres or Vaclav, but if Hellsing concentrated their forces in one area, they would be able to decimate any charge or attempt to break through their lines.  It would end up being a war of attrition, with the Vatican sending man after man to die in the hopes of breaking through the lines, which would prevent Hellsing form mounting an offensive.

"Each battlefield Alucard had his souls fighting on would divide his strength immensely.  And if he let the souls out, wouldn't that make him vulnerable to being destroyed himself?  My opinion is that the vatican would be able to keep Hellsing on the defense for a long time, but it would have a hell of a time actually defeating them.  The tide could be turned in battle by Abel, Tres or Vaclav, but if Hellsing concentrated their forces in one area, they would be able to decimate any charge or attempt to break through their lines.  It would end up being a war of attrition, with the Vatican sending man after man to die in the hopes of breaking through the lines, which would prevent Hellsing form mounting an offensive.

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Not necessarily.  If Able goes to 100%, he would make for a good fight with Alucard.  Alucard would then face the difficult problem of having to release all of the souls to destroy Abel, but this leaves Able free to destroy his source of power.  And getting rid of Abel is almost as hard as getting rid of Alucard.  Cain, another Crusnik, was able to survive reentry and rebuild his body.  And agents such as Sword Dancer and Vaclav would be able to put a sizable dent in Alucards army.  Thats if the Vatican doesn't decide to use an airstrike or two to blast large chunks of the army sky high.

"Not necessarily.  If Able goes to 100%, he would make for a good fight with Alucard.  Alucard would then face the difficult problem of having to release all of the souls to destroy Abel, but this leaves Able free to destroy his source of power.  And getting rid of Abel is almost as hard as getting rid of Alucard.  Cain, another Crusnik, was able to survive reentry and rebuild his body.  And agents such as Sword Dancer and Vaclav would be able to put a sizable dent in Alucards army.  Thats if the Vatican doesn't decide to use an airstrike or two to blast large chunks of the army sky high."

Sword Dancer would get slaughtered by Walter, as would almost anyone except Vaclav, Tres and Able.  Sword Dancer would be fine in a fight against humans, but he is still just a very fit man who has become ridiculously awesome at maximizing his movement efficiency.  Vaclav, however, would have a chance to get close to Walter due to his chameleon suit.  It all depends on him being stealthy.  However, if Alucard were occupied by Able this leaves Hellsing vulnerable to a concerted attack by the Vatican's infantry, tanks, aircraft, etc.  The Inquisitors would be able to take out Seras, leaving Walter and Alucard to take on Abel, Vaclav, Tres, and a hundred thousand dudes with assault rifles.  Hellsing could put a dent in them, but the Vatican would have numerical superiority in ground combat.  Also, Alucard can regenerate with just one soul left, but every soul destroyed is one less contributing to his overall power.  With no suls, he was overcome and bound by a couple of humans led by Van Hellsing.  And Abel doesn't read minds, so he doesn't have to worry about going mad.  At 100%, he barely has any emotions or thoughts past RAGE!!!! anywayXD

"Sword Dancer would get slaughtered by Walter, as would almost anyone except Vaclav, Tres and Able.  Sword Dancer would be fine in a fight against humans, but he is still just a very fit man who has become ridiculously awesome at maximizing his movement efficiency.  Vaclav, however, would have a chance to get close to Walter due to his chameleon suit.  It all depends on him being stealthy.  However, if Alucard were occupied by Able this leaves Hellsing vulnerable to a concerted attack by the Vatican's infantry, tanks, aircraft, etc.  The Inquisitors would be able to take out Seras, leaving Walter and Alucard to take on Abel, Vaclav, Tres, and a hundred thousand dudes with assault rifles.  Hellsing could put a dent in them, but the Vatican would have numerical superiority in ground combat.  Also, Alucard can regenerate with just one soul left, but every soul destroyed is one less contributing to his overall power.  With no suls, he was overcome and bound by a couple of humans led by Van Hellsing.  And Abel doesn't read minds, so he doesn't have to worry about going mad.  At 100%, he barely has any emotions or thoughts past RAGE!!!! anywayXD"

Which version of Walter we using?

Dosen't the vatican have more people to fight with?

I think Hellsing has a distinct possibility of winning if they are smart about it, but once they lose Alucard and Walter, they would get steamrolled.  Good points have been made for both sides, though. 

"I think Hellsing has a distinct possibility of winning if they are smart about it, but once they lose Alucard and Walter, they would get steamrolled.  Good points have been made for both sides, though. "

You do relize that Alucard *Spoiler* has over three million souls inside of him, right? So It's going to take a shit load of killing to take him down. When he was fighting the Vatican he probably only released about 50,000 souls which he then gained more after absorbing the blood from the deads remains of Millineums and the Vatican forces.

"You do relize that Alucard *Spoiler* has over three million souls inside of him, right? So It's going to take a shit load of killing to take him down. When he was fighting the Vatican he probably only released about 50,000 souls which he then gained more after absorbing the blood from the deads remains of Millineums and the Vatican forces."

Yes, though I would take that he killed all but Schrodinger's soul. So he can't die unless he kill himself, and can teleport anywhere. Seeing how he himself dosn't have a soul. Though don't quote me on that.

"I think Hellsing has a distinct possibility of winning if they are smart about it, but once they lose Alucard and Walter, they would get steamrolled.  Good points have been made for both sides, though. "

Seras may be powerful, but compared to Alucard or Walter, she is a weakling.  Even after she becomes a true vampire, she is capable of being destroyed relatively easily.  She might need two or three AX agents or or 10-12 Inquisitors, but she would go down if facing someone like Brother Petro and Sister Paula working together, as Petro can move as fast as a vampire(after taking an ampoule of a drug provided him by the Inquisition), and Paula can move fast enough vampires barely see her.  And Able at 100% is capable of razing cities, so although it would take a while, the hell of a lot of killing required to destroy Alucard could be accomplished.  The one problem would be if he was at a main battlefield where he could recharge by absorbing the blood of the dead, where he would be invincible.  Oh, and this is Walter before he becomes a vampire.

Trinity is a fav of mine but I don't think any of them can really stop Drac (er Alucard or w/e) he's virtually unstoppable and seems far less vulernable than most of the Trinity team. We'll handle the big guns while Walter mops up.

"Seras may be powerful, but compared to Alucard or Walter, she is a weakling.  Even after she becomes a true vampire, she is capable of being destroyed relatively easily.  She might need two or three AX agents or or 10-12 Inquisitors, but she would go down if facing someone like Brother Petro and Sister Paula working together, as Petro can move as fast as a vampire(after taking an ampoule of a drug provided him by the Inquisition), and Paula can move fast enough vampires barely see her.  And Able at 100% is capable of razing cities, so although it would take a while, the hell of a lot of killing required to destroy Alucard could be accomplished.  The one problem would be if he was at a main battlefield where he could recharge by absorbing the blood of the dead, where he would be invincible.  Oh, and this is Walter before he becomes a vampire."

The Vatican is screwed just because Alucard is there. Hellsing is not a huge organization, and there's a reason for it; They're supposed to be a secret. Vampires aren't a world-wide known people, not like in Trinity Blood where they're commonplace. So Hellsing's numbers are very limited. Almost their entire ranks are just filled with normal soldiers who are Loyal to Hellsing and to the Queen of England. The only Super-human members they have are Alucard, Seras and Walter. Needless to say though, Alucard is an army all his own.

"The Vatican is screwed just because Alucard is there. Hellsing is not a huge organization, and there's a reason for it; They're supposed to be a secret. Vampires aren't a world-wide known people, not like in Trinity Blood where they're commonplace. So Hellsing's numbers are very limited. Almost their entire ranks are just filled with normal soldiers who are Loyal to Hellsing and to the Queen of England. The only Super-human members they have are Alucard, Seras and Walter. Needless to say though, Alucard is an army all his own."

You know, talking about Alucard, the author and designer of Hellsing mangaka and the infamous character, he came out with a new manga called Drifter. The main character looks just as badass as Alucard....though doesn't come close to his level. Anyway, his new manga looks pretty promising. You should check it out. It's called Drifters

Interesting...  What's it about? It any good?

Sorry about being a bit of a jackass, Mr. Pie-in a bit of a bad mood today...

@isador: How powerful are the Inquistors (I'm not very familiar with Trinity Blood)? Or the Petro and Paula people?

Searas decimated the vampire force in OVA 7 pretty freakin easily (that was with the blood of 1 person alone too). Needless to say, is this end manga Hellsing, or mid-manga Hellsing. End-Manga rapes, literally rapes. Mid-Manga is a nice fight.

End Manga rapes because Alucard has Schrodinger's powers, which makes him>>>Trinity Blood.

EOS Alucard says hi.