Upper Street Level War

I'd feel very comfortable debating for team 2 to win this morals off.

Very comfortable indeed.

@Strider92 said:

I'll go with the top 3. Since Morals are Off:

1st: Team 5. Although there are other harder hitting teams than them. The combination of Spider-mans spider-sense and webbing to incap anyone they can't kill in conjunction with Jessica's pheromones and venom blasts means there really isn't one base they don't have covered

2end: Team 2. Iron Fist with morals off would be devastating and Cage is a damn good tank ontop of his 25tons of strength. If they where both faster then they would most likely be in 1st place.

3rd: Team 4. Lane is the MVP here. His suit of Sorrows plus his swords mean not many of the other teams can take him.

Sounds pretty good but I am not sure anyone besides IF could actually put Lane down for good.

@laflux:

The only team I cannot comment on are team 4. As my knowledge is admittedly limited. So I am unsure as to whether team 2 can take them.

The only other two teams I feel warrant an explanation would be team 3 and team 5. The others should be fairly self explanatory.

Team 5; Yes, Spider-Man morals off would be beastly. But Luke Cage is a bad fight for Parker in that his durability can contend, his strength levels will prevent him from getting webbed into submission and he's also very familiar with Spider-Woman's pheromones and how they effect (having encountered and dealt with them in the pages of New Avengers).

Iron Fist would dispatch Spider-Woman before too long then can move to back Cage. Reverse the roles, and the same holds true IMHO. Either way, Parker eventually gets double teamed I believe.

Team 3; Dangerous fight for the duo. Iron Fist is their saving grace. But Rand has a tough fight irregardless which of the two he squares off against. Luke Cage is the definitive weak link. I know adamantium can cut him, but prometheum is definitively inferior to adamantium. If he can't be cut, then team 2 definitely have this one in the bag.

@jashro44 said:

@Super_SoldierXII: About Luke cage vs spider-man, Spider-man does know pressure points now and Luke cage has shown to be affected by those. A 10 tonner like spider-man can possibly drop him.

Not doubting you, but who has Parker taken down via pressure points?

Someone like T'Challa using them to bypass Cage's impenetrable skin is one thing given his skill level ... but Parker?

Pressure points are less about strength and far more about know how. Having enough 'know how' to bypass Cage's durability is questionable even for Black Panther. Parker doing it ... for me him winning this way would be the exception here and not the rule.

@laflux:

The common consensus amongst writers, is to effectively deal with Parker's webbing you need to be at least as strong as Spider-Man.

25+ ton strength is more than enough. I feel someone like Luke Cage has strengths that make things very difficult for Peter Parker. As much as Pete will land 10 hits to Cage's one, Luke's durability can take it every bit as much as Parker's avoidance will see him taking Cage's damage output.

I think Luke hangs with Parker long enough for Iron Fist to take care of business then come in as back-up.

Team 2 has the best overall chance.

Team 5 can pull many wins thanks to Spider Womans Pheramones/Flight/Venom Blast Combos. Also Pete Way of Spider and near Precog Spidey Sense is hard to beat.

Team 5 IMO.

@laflux said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@laflux:

The only team I cannot comment on are team 4. As my knowledge is admittedly limited. So I am unsure as to whether team 2 can take them.

The only other two teams I feel warrant an explanation would be team 3 and team 5. The others should be fairly self explanatory.

Team 5; Yes, Spider-Man morals off would be beastly. But Luke Cage is a bad fight for Parker in that his durability can contend, his strength levels will prevent him from getting webbed into submission and he's also very familiar with Spider-Woman's pheromones and how they effect (having encountered and dealt with them in the pages of New Avengers).

Iron Fist would dispatch Spider-Woman before too long then can move to back Cage. Reverse the roles, and the same holds true IMHO. Either way, Parker eventually gets double teamed I believe.

Team 3; Dangerous fight for the duo. Iron Fist is their saving grace. But Rand has a tough fight irregardless which of the two he squares off against. Luke Cage is the definitive weak link. I know adamantium can cut him, but prometheum is definitively inferior to adamantium. If he can't be cut, then team 2 definitely have this one in the bag.

Spider-Man did fight him back in the day when he was a 10 tonner I believe (lol it was my first scan I uploaded here). I'm not sure whether his durability was as high then as now, but Spider-Man's blows did hurt him. Class 25 seems to be the lowest non PIS strength level required to break Peter's webbing (BT, Venom etc) so it would less effective on Cage then on someone weaker, like say Logan.

I was thinking that Spider-Man could get held up by Luke Cage for long enough to Fist to do an area/charged attack, which would have the power needed to take Peter down. Then the two could gang up on Jess. Though TBH I think Lane is a bad for Cage. The swords of sorrows rend Cage's durability less useful, and Lane is not to far of Spider-Man in terms of reflexes and speed. He is also extremely durable- around Tombstone level IIRC.

Personally I think Cage and Fist have a slight edge on the Spider-Team, but the Spider-People team are more likely to beat Lane's team than Cage and Fist.

Just my 25 cents.

Hmm how resistant are parker's webs to heat?

@jashro44 said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@jashro44 said:

@Super_SoldierXII: About Luke cage vs spider-man, Spider-man does know pressure points now and Luke cage has shown to be affected by those. A 10 tonner like spider-man can possibly drop him.

Not doubting you, but who has Parker taken down via pressure points?

Someone like T'Challa using them to bypass Cage's impenetrable skin is one thing given his skill level ... but Parker?

Pressure points are less about strength and far more about know how. Having enough 'know how' to bypass Cage's durability is questionable even for Black Panther. Parker doing it ... for me him winning this way would be the exception here and not the rule.

The only example off the top of my head would be spider-island chance, white rabbit, and scorcher. And all though spider-man may not be as skilled as black panther he is stronger. He could probably hurt luke cage with standard strikes. Hitting pressure points will make his blows that much more effective. I don't really see luke cage tagging spider-man if he is fighting to the best of his abilities as well.

I don't see why Cage couldn't land a few. Everyone else has tagged Parker ... and many a time wherein he means business as well. That and I don't see Parker flying in and landing pressure point punches quite yet ... Daredevil yes, but Spider-Man still has a ways to go IMHO before that argument can justify a majority.

I would probably see Spider-Man ultimately winning that fight ... but not before Rand puts Jessica away then come in to relieve some heat off Cage.

Iron Fist is as much a beast as Spider-Man morals off.

@SlimJ87D said:

What if Danny was paired with Fat Cobra? Or would that be too much of an advantage for them?

Too potent a team-up I believe.

Team 5 or team 2. The combo of Spider-Man webbing foes, and then Spider-Woman venom blasting them from afar would be a tough combo to beat. They are both fast/strong and hurt you up close and far away. Heroes for Hire have the most durable/strongest guy (though slow), and the most skilled/hardest striker (though lacking durability).

I don't know anything about team five and only know Deathstroke from team 4.

@jashro44: Basically Shang-Chi with worse hair.

@jashro44 said:

@robertloucksjr:The guy on deathstrokes team is Constantine drakon. Here are some feats if you need any.

Yeah he is good but he is a villain which makes him cannon fodder to Lane.

Well yes the sword's have to touch you although he can control telekinetically. Still Lane's stomping is based on how bad the person he has fighting has been. Bad Guys die quickly. Heroes not so much.

What version of Archangel?