#1 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, let's just say there's a big giant cloning device the Unostoppable Juggernaut gets cloned and the two Juggernauts try stop each other, is it possible?

#2 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - - Show Bio

Akira Overdrive says:

"No way."

But now what do they do? How do they get through each other? For arguement sakes, let's say they have nowhere to go and aren't allowed to go around each other, they have to go through each other. Can they do it? How do they stay unstoppable? How does this whole thing work?

#3 Posted by Hawk (15833 posts) - - Show Bio

Best battle yet.

#4 Posted by Akira Overdrive (10120 posts) - - Show Bio

No way.

#5 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

wow a never ending battle

#6 Posted by Hawk (15833 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that thing That Doc Brown warned Marty about, in Back to Future, would happen. They see each other and the universe turns inside out and ends.

#7 Posted by silli bill (236 posts) - - Show Bio

i go with juggernaut

#8 Posted by Frisco (285 posts) - - Show Bio

silli bill says:

"i go with juggernaut"

LMAO

#9 Posted by Unbelonger (2770 posts) - - Show Bio

Or, they join forces and become the more overused, overmentioned, even overrated Duo around this forums ever, unless somebody clones wolverine... blah.

zzzzzzzzzz

#10 Posted by Silas Burr (25 posts) - - Show Bio

The Juggernaut knows he can't be stopped so his clone would know too. They call it a draw and hit the bar without throwing a single punch.

#11 Posted by White Phantom (1760 posts) - - Show Bio

silli bill says:

"i go with juggernaut"

Me too, big surprise there.

#12 Posted by mantoid (2305 posts) - - Show Bio

Try to stop the Juggernaut!

#13 Posted by Rdeegvainl (775 posts) - - Show Bio

I think even if you cloned juggernaut, Cytorax would have to give him the power, so the original would win.

#14 Edited by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio

Cain as the Juggernaut would probably beat this Juggernaut



http://youtube.com/watch?v=yCN86hJs0Rc




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#15 Posted by HellionVulcan (3920 posts) - - Show Bio
Eternal Chaos said:
"

Akira Overdrive says:

"No way."

But now what do they do? How do they get through each other? For arguement sakes, let's say they have nowhere to go and aren't allowed to go around each other, they have to go through each other. Can they do it? How do they stay unstoppable? How does this whole thing work?

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They rip time apart as they collide Killing & destroying earth as if any body read the Onslaught saga (which ended awful) Cain when he regained Juggernaut powers smashed Cytoraax to pieces & sent cain traveling back through dimensions back to earth to Dr Strange .. .
#16 Posted by Knowsbleed33 (628 posts) - - Show Bio

This cloning machine would truly be wonderous if it could clone the magical enchantment that empowers the Juggernaut.

Always bet on the original!

#17 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

Cytorrak would not allow his energies to be used by two human avatars at once.

#18 Posted by Buckshot (18685 posts) - - Show Bio
Korg said:
"Cytorrak would not allow his energies to be used by two human avatars at once."
Didn't Cain and Black Tom share the power for a while?
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#19 Edited by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

Key words being a while. I haven't read the issues in question, but I assume there were unforeseen complications, either from Black Tom trying to steal it all for himself, or Cytorrak getting involved. Anyone with the pertinent issues, scans or a description of events would be most helpful.


Wikipedia tells me it happened in Marvel Team-Up #150


#20 Posted by Buckshot (18685 posts) - - Show Bio

So because it wasn't permanent this fight can't happen? From what I know they shared the power for long enough for Black Tom to get tired of it and for X-Men to get involved (when Rogue took the powers away from Tom and then Cain reclaimed them). The power has been shared before so I don't see why it couldn't be for this fight.

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#21 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

If they're sharing it then it might cancel itself out, or they might glance off each other. Alternately, half of the power might not be enough to make you totally unstoppable. In the latter case I'd give it to the original as he has more experience using the powers. In answer to the original question: It's pure speculation. If they are both unstoppable forces, then no, they can't stop one another. If they are not unstoppable due to sharing the power, then they can.

#22 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
Buckshot said:
"Korg said:
"Cytorrak would not allow his energies to be used by two human avatars at once."
Didn't Cain and Black Tom share the power for a while?"

Yes and when they did, they were far weaker and very far from Invulnerable and in this case this is likely what would happen in this battle as both Juggernauts would share the power of Cyttorak.
As both are far easier to hurt now, it might be possible for one to get a lucky break and injure the other using a massive explosion (like a gas station exploding) or something equally impressive. With the powwer shared, they may even have to breath at some point in which case suffocation might be a possibility but this last point is speculation.
#23 Posted by SilverSurfa (256 posts) - - Show Bio

If they are exactly the same, they will cancel each other out and each one will get knocked back 100m.

#24 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
SilverSurfa said:
"If they are exactly the same, they will cancel each other out and each one will get knocked back 100m."
In all battles an element of luck can exist  - flukes can happen and blind chance need only favour one for a possible winner to emerge. If this were to happen, I would confidently say that the Juggernaut would win......
#25 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio
Buckshot said:
"Korg said:
"Cytorrak would not allow his energies to be used by two human avatars at once."
Didn't Cain and Black Tom share the power for a while?"
yea, but they were both way weaker than cain with all the power for himself.  Black tom agreed to give all the power back..
#26 Posted by SilverSurfa (256 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"SilverSurfa said:
"If they are exactly the same, they will cancel each other out and each one will get knocked back 100m."
In all battles an element of luck can exist  - flukes can happen and blind chance need only favour one for a possible winner to emerge. If this were to happen, I would confidently say that the Juggernaut would win......
"
I just said... if they are exactly the same...
#27 Posted by EganTheVile1 (6216 posts) - - Show Bio

They get tied into a grapple situation and run in place neither getting any advantage

#28 Posted by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's say if there were two Cytorak whom both made a Juggernaut to represent themselves....

If the two Juggernauts collide they can not move eachother for an eternity.

The only way one Juggernaut will prevail from the other is if one of the other Juggernauts have a larger variety of secondary abilities. Such as martial arts. then the that Juggernaut would win.

#29 Posted by Rdeegvainl (775 posts) - - Show Bio
SilverSurfa said:
"the creator said:
"SilverSurfa said:
"If they are exactly the same, they will cancel each other out and each one will get knocked back 100m."
In all battles an element of luck can exist  - flukes can happen and blind chance need only favour one for a possible winner to emerge. If this were to happen, I would confidently say that the Juggernaut would win......
"
I just said... if they are exactly the same...
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They may be exaclty the same, but the world around them is not a perfectly symmetrical place, and they will not do the exact same thing because the moment that they come into contact with a stimulus that the other didn't feel at the exact same time, the become different. Their thoughts will be different, they will make different judgment calls.
#30 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
Rdeegvainl said:
"SilverSurfa said:
"the creator said:
"SilverSurfa said:
"If they are exactly the same, they will cancel each other out and each one will get knocked back 100m."
In all battles an element of luck can exist  - flukes can happen and blind chance need only favour one for a possible winner to emerge. If this were to happen, I would confidently say that the Juggernaut would win......
"
I just said... if they are exactly the same...
"
They may be exaclty the same, but the world around them is not a perfectly symmetrical place, and they will not do the exact same thing because the moment that they come into contact with a stimulus that the other didn't feel at the exact same time, the become different. Their thoughts will be different, they will make different judgment calls.
"
Very logical.
#31 Posted by SilverSurfa (256 posts) - - Show Bio

Exactly the same means Exactly the same.... And they are coming at each other with the eactly same rate of accerlation, the whole world around them is even. Happy? i elaborated. Anyway if they are exactly the same which i clearly said it mean their minds are exactly the same... what bit of exactly the same dont u get?

#32 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
SilverSurfa said:
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Exactly the same means Exactly the same.... And they are coming at each other with the eactly same rate of accerlation, the whole world around them is even. Happy? i elaborated. Anyway if they are exactly the same which i clearly said it mean their minds are exactly the same... what bit of exactly the same dont u get?

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What don't you understand about the word random....
As in random luck. If they are both running down a street towards each other, the road below them is not exactly the same. There could be a oil patch that helps one lose some momentum or the like. It they go to attack each other with items in the local environment, they cannot both use the same car to hit each other with.

Although they might have the same level od powers, thoughts etc, the environment plays a part and that is varaiable depending upon where they fight.
#33 Posted by SilverSurfa (256 posts) - - Show Bio

this isnt about random its about what will happen when a unstoppable juggernaut hits another unstoppable juggernaut... Thers no oil patch theres no banana peel theres no random luck. Its about what happens when they collide. ANd they are on even ground... i mean seriously... a 0.000001 degree slant on the floor is hardly going to affect their tremendous forces.

#34 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio
SilverSurfa said:
"this isnt about random its about what will happen when a unstoppable juggernaut hits another unstoppable juggernaut... Thers no oil patch theres no banana peel theres no random luck. Its about what happens when they collide. ANd they are on even ground... i mean seriously... a 0.000001 degree slant on the floor is hardly going to affect their tremendous forces."
You are missing the point. The whole environment plays a part, not just the floor - everything. It is not all even otherwise the fight would have occur on a level adamantium floor that stretched on forever in all directions, with a diffuse sun continually lighting the sky above. Then it's completely the same. No possible weapons, nothing. All environmental factors are even.

But since that was never stated, then environmental factors do come in to play.
#35 Posted by Rdeegvainl (775 posts) - - Show Bio
SilverSurfa said:
"this isnt about random its about what will happen when a unstoppable juggernaut hits another unstoppable juggernaut... Thers no oil patch theres no banana peel theres no random luck. Its about what happens when they collide. ANd they are on even ground... i mean seriously... a 0.000001 degree slant on the floor is hardly going to affect their tremendous forces."
Actually, the more force they have, the more that .000001 degree slant matters, it becomes exponentially important as it will determine where the ground breaks first, the structural consistency of the environment around them instantly changes at that point, thus making all things, not even.