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@serrure said:

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Post Crisis Hal Jordan is underrated. People make him out to be superman level at max, when in reality, he's Thor+ level character.

Post Crisis Hal is the only GL who poses a legitimate threat to the likes of Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock (both unamped)

What? No, Kyle Rayner is above Surfer, so is Hal by feats. I'm not up to debating this right now, though. I've gone through this situation with the Lanterns too many times.

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Post Crisis Hal Jordan is underrated. People make him out to be superman level at max, when in reality, he's Thor+ level character.

You think thor is above superman? Or are we just talking about sheer power output and ignoring other stuff like speed?

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@jashro44: As for who is more powerful, then this is what I think:

Hal Jordan >>> Thor >>>>>> Superman. Damage output, versatility and stuff like that, that's what I meant. Isn't Thor more powerful than Superman? He has more powerful attacks, he's more versatility and he has more blunt force damage output.

Sheer damage output and potential was what I was talking about.

Also, this is completely irrelevant, but I made my first post in our CaV.

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@jashro44: As for who is more powerful, then this is what I think:

Hal Jordan >>> Thor >>>>>> Superman. Damage output, versatility and stuff like that, that's what I meant. Isn't Thor more powerful than Superman? He has more powerful attacks, he's more versatility and he has more blunt force damage output.

Sheer damage output and potential was what I was talking about.

Oh yea I think thor has more power and versatility than supes. I think supes would win a fight due to his speed though.

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#4105 thedailybagel  Moderator

@serrure: hasn't ross only beaten hulk three times? One because of luck and another because hulk threw the fight.

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@jashro44 said:

@captain_batman_ftw said:

@jashro44: As for who is more powerful, then this is what I think:

Hal Jordan >>> Thor >>>>>> Superman. Damage output, versatility and stuff like that, that's what I meant. Isn't Thor more powerful than Superman? He has more powerful attacks, he's more versatility and he has more blunt force damage output.

Sheer damage output and potential was what I was talking about.

Oh yea I think thor has more power and versatility than supes. I think supes would win a fight due to his speed though.

That's what I'm thinking.

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@thedailybagel: hmm feels like more than that. but the main point i was getting at is that he is one of the few who can do through straight up Physicals

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#4108 thedailybagel  Moderator

@serrure: I guess it depends on what mood hulks in and the incarnation. But I agree with you in the sense that he's a near equal to savage hulk.

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@thedailybagel: and thats what i was really getting at. I seriously hope they dont depower Ross here. Rulk has finally started to recover after the Loeb crap and im beginning to like him... allot

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Speed does not make you invincible.

Flash rarely runs as fast as people make him out to do.

DC characters rarely use the combat speed people associate with them.

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#4111  Edited By thedailybagel  Moderator

@serrure: they won't imo. But I can see why he's underrated, certain writers have him job to people who wouldn't be able to even hurt him like wonderman.

I mean in world war hulk that guy was brought down by korg.

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Batman isn't as amazing with prep as people want him to be.

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@serrure: they won't imo. But I can see why he's underrated, certain writers have him job to people who wouldn't be able to even hurt him like wonderman.

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@thedailybagel: I have a really strong feeling they will. The run isn't all that great and if they skip on actually depowering Hulks that matter then what was the point? I hate Ross so much i really wanna see him Hulk-less and possibly dead. Plz...

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I don't know why people just throws out the ''Superman speedblitzes'' argument out of the window when he basically does it all the time. They also thend to think that Superman's speedblitzes are weak simply because some people have been capable of tanking them. Guess what, they're wrong.

Another thing is that Superman can fight at lightspeed. He's done it multiple times, IIRC.

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#4117  Edited By Stormdriven

Not all fodder are created equal. I mean seriously, you really think some common street thugs are the same as secret agents or aliens?

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@conner_wolf:

Speed does not make you invincible.

Flash rarely runs as fast as people make him out to do.

DC characters rarely use the combat speed people associate with them.

Speed is one of the most important attributes in a battle forum fight therefore it makes sense why speedsters do so well on the forums.

Most speedsters are subject to PIS in the comics, this isn't an opinion, it's a fact stated by the writers themselves.

If you actually look at most instances of Superman using superspeed it's almost always in the second act, he normally doesn't use it off the bat purely to build suspense, even when lives are at risk.

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@dextersinister: But it's not an auto-win to be faster than an opponent, especially if that opponent is fully capable of reacting to such speeds. You don't need to be that fast yourself. Most street-levelers like Deathstroke, Batman, Captain America, and other Martial Artist types are prime examples of this.

Now if you were so fast that the person could not react, that's one thing, but speed in itself does not mean an automatic win, especially if you can't hurt your opponent, or one strike on you will bring you down much more easily. I personally vote for someone who can take whatever attack and dish out far more than an opponent, so long as they would actually be capable of tagging their opponent.

And to be honest, I'd never seen Superman use such insane speed in combat scenarios, in fact I don't think I've ever seen it, he's dodged fast attacks, but when have we ever seen him match someone like Zoom, or someone confirmed to attack at MFTL speeds? I have never actually seen someone bring up a viable scan to defend that argument. I mean if you could show me one that'd be great, but I'm tired of the claims with no evidence to back it up. The only example I hear of is Flash, and Flash goes far too easy on his opponents to be a viable example and as I said in my original comment, the speeds he can run, he rarely does.

And even if it's PIS, a superhero's morals and such do effect a fight, and many heroes like Superman or Flash do not go full speed because of those morals

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My biggest peeves are:

1. Everyone underrating the She-Hulk when she fights another female or male character in her strength level

2. People saying Kyle Rayner(pre 52) was stronger than Hal, Guy, and Jon at the time.

3. When people claim Superman can one shot Hulk....we all know it's not true

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Hit-Girl could kill Damian Wayne if she wanted to.

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Daredevil is as fast as Cassandra Cain, in my opinion. I've heard a lot of good from him and I've seen a lot of good from him.

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Daredevil, Moon Knight, Green Arrow, and the Punisher are very underrated.

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Count Dooku is more skilled than Mace Windu.

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: But it's not an auto-win to be faster than an opponent, especially if that opponent is fully capable of reacting to such speeds. You don't need to be that fast yourself. Most street-levelers like Deathstroke, Batman, Captain America, and other Martial Artist types are prime examples of this.

Now if you were so fast that the person could not react, that's one thing, but speed in itself does not mean an automatic win, especially if you can't hurt your opponent, or one strike on you will bring you down much more easily. I personally vote for someone who can take whatever attack and dish out far more than an opponent, so long as they would actually be capable of tagging their opponent.

And to be honest, I'd never seen Superman use such insane speed in combat scenarios, in fact I don't think I've ever seen it, he's dodged fast attacks, but when have we ever seen him match someone like Zoom, or someone confirmed to attack at MFTL speeds? I have never actually seen someone bring up a viable scan to defend that argument. I mean if you could show me one that'd be great, but I'm tired of the claims with no evidence to back it up. The only example I hear of is Flash, and Flash goes far too easy on his opponents to be a viable example and as I said in my original comment, the speeds he can run, he rarely does.

And even if it's PIS, a superhero's morals and such do effect a fight, and many heroes like Superman or Flash do not go full speed because of those morals

superman has punched one of the reverse flashes before. characters like superman and the flash don't always go all out because their battles will be 2 panels.

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1. I think goku beats superman (it seems like that is the unpopular choice for me...)

2. Itachi (naruto ) CAN NOT beat anything just because he uses sharingan and that stupid blade he has.

3.Batman isn't invincible with prep and can not beat anyone just cause someone says batman. It just makes the person look stupid

4. Superman is beatable. I feel like every time supes is brought up, everyone starts throwing stuff because I said someone can beat supes, like surfer,goku,Thor. And most of the time I'm just saying my opinion and how I think it would go down but heaven forbid I have a opinion.

5.I will admit. There are things that can beat goku. As much I love dbz goku can't beat everyone, yes I think he can beat supes but there are others above him that can beat goku.

6. Just because naruto got a big power boost doesn't mean he can blow up a continent or country.

These are mostly opinion though.

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Count Dooku is more skilled than Mace Windu.

This is unpopular?

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@jashro44 said:

@highaccuser said:

Count Dooku is more skilled than Mace Windu.

This is unpopular?

The general consensus is that they're equal.

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Lara Croft is a beast.

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I think that by going strictly by feats, not interpreting them and taking them as a strict statement, comicvine users often make their own version of the character that is very different from the one portrayed in the comic. *cough* Wally West *cough*

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@nickras: Characters in battles on Comic Vine are not limited by plot, so Wally wouldn't have to job to other characters. And considering Wally is the second fastest character in all of fiction, that really frees up what he can do.

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Aquaman is very underrated

Hulk and especially WWH is vey overrated

Ben 10 is underrated

Martian Manhunter sometimes is overrated for is telepathy and other times is underrated

Superman is overrated

Batman is overrated

Green Lantern is overrated

And Silver Surfer is overrated people think that he can beat Superman easy

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The Sinister Six when at their best is a very powerful team and with prep can give a morals on superman level characters some trouble.

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CW Flash >>>>>> DOFP Quicksilver. Being so fast that you can perceive lightning in slow motion is way better than perceiving bullets in slow motion. At least in my book.

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Goku beats Superman.

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Surprised this thread is popular, because literally the only reason it was made was to give green_skaar an excuse to say Hulk beats Superman....

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CW Flash >>>>>> DOFP Quicksilver. Being so fast that you can perceive lightning in slow motion is way better than perceiving bullets in slow motion. At least in my book.

While that is true, it wasn't like QS was struggling in the least bit to beat the bullets, he did it effortlessly. So little effort that he was standing still whilst everything was still moving in slow motion. There is no way to quantify how fast he was moving, also giving into account he wasn't even moving his fastest.

Good ol CW always finds a way to make Fash look awesome, then belittle him a second later. The lighting feat was great. Then what happens 10 mins later? The police chief was able to react to lighting also, pushing Joe out of the way AFTER the lighting bolt was on its way.

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Quicksilver vs Zatanna

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@ssjbatdan: He doesnt have reality warping powers, his only feat is getting last hit on Solaris.

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@realitywarper said:

@precrisisbardock said:

@green_skaar: SSJ2 Goku would stomp Superman Prime

Agreed.

Superman Prime is a god out of reach of even SSJG. He has actual, shown, godly powers, while SSJG gets beaten effortlessly by a god, only showing that he can tank a blast meant to destroy earth to the solar system (we can't know for sure). Superman Prime has reality warping powers and has stored 15,000 years of solar energy with in him. There's no way.

LOL NOPE ! ^^

Moreover I think that he speaking about Superboy Prime with the Oa energies.

But that makes no differences. SSJ2 Goku stomps both finger in the nose.

And Superman Prime One Million hasn't half the powers the fans that didn't read the comic book pretend he has.

A famous Viner explain it very well in that thread :

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/a-closer-look-at-superman-prime-one-million-comple-1642666/

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Movie Thor would kick Man of steel ass.

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Nolan's Batman is actually a good fighter.

Federation from Star Trek would actually Empire from Star Wars

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Goku... Stomps Superman-

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Hell-Lords>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds.

People who say that all Hell-Lords are Herald Level need to read more comics.

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@realitywarper: Goku doesn't stand a chance against Superboy Prime. Unless you can actually post irrefutable proof, but I doubt that will happen considering that he doesn even have the feats.