Ultimates vs New 52 (main earth)

Rules

• Random encounter
• Pre-Ultimatum version of Ultimate characters
• Current version of New 52 characters ( Main Earth)
• Only heroes and villains of Earth from both universes are allowed
• Characters that lives on earth
• Spectre,Captain Atom and Vibe is not allowed
• Standart gears
• BRF is not allowed
• Morals off,bloodlust
• Wins by death or incapacitation

Location: Abandoned Earth

New 52

New52 in a hard battle

@matchesmalone21:

I really like to see a list of who matters.

As far as Ultimates, which timeline we using? Many people have lived and die. Its too vague!

If we were to use the best of the best that lived on earth, then we have...

• Loki (City Level Reality Warper/Magic)
• Thor (World Wrecker)
• Reed Richards (Cosmic Cube anyone? He makes Cosmic Cubes!)
• Phoenix/Jean (World Level TP and Time Freezing)
• Xavier (World Level TP)
• Magneto (World Level Magnetics)
• Proteus (City Level Reality Warper)
• Zarda (World Wrecker)
• Doom (Powerful Magics)
• Scarlet Witch (City Level Reality Warper)
• Hulk (City Killer)
• Iron Man (City Killer, and Techno Path)
• The Magician (City Level Reality Warper)
• Namor (City Killer)
• Ghost Rider (Unbeatable)

And more I am probably forgetting.

Half of these guys can solo what i seen of New 52 heaviest hitters depending on timeline.

Your scenario is too vague......

Swamp Thing, Phantom Stranger, Specter, John Constantine, Jenny Quantum, Martian Manhunter, Flash, and does White Lantern count. Also current versions mean about 75% of the ultimates are pretty much dead so...

Phantom Stranger and Spectre end up getting in a fight and accidentally destroy the universe.

Yes, Current Versions mean MOST of the Ultimate Verse is dead. lol. Hardly fair >_<

@cadencev2: Yeah I was looking at this like well there kind of all dead so...

@mikep12: @cadencev2: @mikep12: Well....current Ultimate U has 616 Galactus.....

He is not of Earth.....

@cadencev2: Yeah, but currently he has taken up a sort of "Residence" on 1610 Earth.

By Residence you mean Eating it.....

@cadencev2: lol, yeah pretty much

@onemoreposter: Doesn't really count and the magic guys should handily deal with him as he has low defense against magic

@mikep12: Handily deal with Galactus o.O ?

@onemoreposter: Yep. With high level magic users like phantom stranger, zatana, enchantress, zatara,swamp thing, john cConstantine, plus galactus low defense against magic they could could definitely beat galactus

You do realize Galactus matches Mephisto in his own Realm, and won the fight by eating Magic right?

You do know Galactus matches Agamatto, a Vishanti, one of the highest Marvel magical beings in his realm?

You do know Galactus pwn Odin in a straight fight?

Did you know Galactus beaten a Classic Dr. Strange?

You realize all this yes?

@cadencev2: I consider those pis especially cause cause galactus had nothing on Thanos with the IG but Classic Strange put the best fight. I also consider there magics above there's especially when combined. Plus he has to contend with the spectre who I doubt he will beat.

Strange had to call on very Magical Beings power, and was still going to lose. Galactus losing to the IG is not a low feat since the ruler of the Gauntlet is above Eternity, Death, and Galactus combine.....

@cadencev2: I was just trying to make the point magic put up the best fight

Marvel's magic beings tend to be superior to Marvel cosmic beings. That's why.

@cadencev2: Same for DC. Example: Dominus stomped Kimest who is DC's eternity using magic

I belive OP says current version....

Then its spite. Total spite as most of the heavy hitters in Ultimate are dead. :/

@god_spawn@deranged_midget lock please.

@mikep12: Well white Lantern doesn't count since he isn't on Earth anymore,so we have only a red Lantern Supergirl and Simon Baz.

@cadencev2: So this version of ultimate is pre-galactus attack (Sorry mate, my lack on Ultimate stuff is vague).

About New 52 people

• Captain Atom (Quantum field manipulation/Time Freezing/Time-Dimensional travel....)
• Jon Lane Kent (Basically a experienced Superboy with limitless powers,that have killed Earth's main heroes)
• Cyborg (Planetary level technopathy)
• Harvest (31st Century technology,have soloed Teen titans,Legion Lost and others superpowered teenagers at same time twice)
• Reverse-Flash (Time Travel and Superspeed)
• Turbine (Dimensional travel and superspeed)
• Flash (Time-Dimensional travel and Superspeed)
• Vibe (Can do almost anything with vibrations,have tear the fabric of space-time opening multiple prtal to the multiverse)
• Swamp Thing
• Despero

Talking about magicians (high level)

• Constantine (High level magician and city level reality warper)
• Enchantress (World level magic so far)
• Andrew Bennet (High level magician and telepath)
• Pandora
• Phantom Stranger
• Zatanna

@onemoreposter: Galactus doesn't count

Stop mate. I already corrected that.

Im sorry, it is stil a stomp. Alot of the best heroes are dead post Ultimantum, and more died during United We Stand.

We have lost Magneto, Magician, Scarlet Witch (sort of), Zarda, Doom, Namor, Proteus, Xavier, Apocalypse, and more.

There is no fair "Time Line" cause unlike DC or Mainstream Marvel, Characters in Ultimate Verse come and go (die). You have to list them best of the best to even compete here.

So is pre-Ultimatum

@matchesmalone21: Ok, This gives us for best hitters...

• Iron Man (with all his Super Iron Men suits and stations)
• Warmachine
• Gregory Stark
• Hulk
• Zarda
• Loki (Peak Power)
• Magneto
• Phoenix
• Apocalypse
• The Magician
• Scarlet Witch
• Tyrone Cash (Another Hulk)
• Colossus
• Thing (Pre Wonder Man)
• Invisible Woman
• Reed Richards (With Cosmic Cube)
• Human Torch
• Dr. Doom (With all his Magic and Doombots)
• Quicksilver
• Professor Xavier
• Thor (As a God)
• Mole Man (With all his Mosters)
• Rogue (She can copy most of these Mutants powers)
• Iceman
• Multiple Man (As suicide Bombers)
• Electro
• Green Goblin
• Sandman
• Venom/Carnage
• Doctor Octopus (Control of Metal, and Cloning Genius)
• Namor

Thats all that is needed honestly.

IMO I think they can win handily. Between Time Freezing, Mind Raping, and Reality Warping.

In New 52 also have to people match with them as mentioned above and you didn't commented...tehy also have reality-time warpers and telepaths

OP says standart gears

New 52 Heavy Hitters:

Magicicians

• Constantine (Have time freezing and reality warp feats)
• Enchantress
• Pandora
• Phantom Stranger (already do time freezing)
• Zatanna
• Andrew Bennet (World level TP)

Powerhouses

• Wonder Woman
• Superman
• Wraith
• Shazam
• Black Adam
• Amazo (althought he doesn't do anything yet)
• Martian Manhunter
• Aquaman
• Doomsday
• Orion

Tech guys

• Lex Luthor
• Cyborg
• Grid
• The Ascension

Telepaths

• Psycho Pirate
• Hector Hammon
• Andrew Bennet
• H.I.V.E. Queen
• Raven
• Martian Manhunter
• Doctor Psycho
• Grodd

Can solo

• Vibe
• Captain Atom

Darkseid blows up the planet

@matchesmalone21:

Pretty Sure Constatine needs loads of prep to perform any feat.

Since Reed created, and use the Cosmic Cube more than 6 comics, seems pretty standard. He also made already his time Travel machine and Bases in varuous Universes too.

Can solo

• Vibe

• Captain Atom

So your intentionally making a Spite thread?

@god_spawn and @deranged_midget Can you please lock this?

I don't think Darkseid should be considered in this anymore than Galactus...

At first I wanted to saw New 52 takes this, but then I remembered back to pre-ultimatum and how they were pretty heavy hitlers. I honestly don't know. Plus some of the characters in the New 52 I'm still wondering just how powerful they are.

@dondave: @dratini1331: Its mentioned in the OP people that currently are on EARTH,not the entire new 52 universe.

@cadencev2: Is not a spite..you mentioned that exist people in Ultimates capable to solo too,so don't be hyprocrit and don't play a fool.

@matchesmalone21: your the one who posted two character in new 52 can solo. If you know this, why make the thread unless your just wanting to bash on Ultimate Marvel in someway?

@matchesmalone21: Ya dun goofed.

@deathandgrim: what?

In another thread you already mentioned two characters can solo...what makes you argument change right now?

Or you're misleading?

So bring scans of Ult Charles Xavier,Phoenix,Ghost Rider,Zarda..

I think over 5 characters can Solo the Justice League. However you want to use Captain Atom who is Universe buster.... really? I mean reeeeaaly?

Most of the Ultimate Characters are City to possible Planet level. Only Phoenix can be seen as higher than Planet.

Thats it. Your making a Spite Match unless you add Silver Searcher who is Solar System Level, and even he is no match vs Captain Atom which as you said can solo.

The difference here is your bias. You made a thread with a winner in mind. And then added that two characters from the side you clearly favor can Solo.

Can solo

• Vibe
• Captain Atom

So why make the thread?

Universe buster? Since when? In New 52 he never destroyed a universe.

I will remove Captain Atom,Spectre and Vibe.

Constantine almost never uses prep; he always improvises plans on the go. What he did in Forever Evil was all improvised. Most of what he did in Hellblazer and Vertigo were improvised.

Is Vertigo part of New 52 Earth Canon? I was very sure it was it's own thing.

It's not, but it's just that he's never used much prep in the New 52 either. Just trying to make a small point.

Edit, Thought so. I just never seen anything impressive from new 52 Constatine unlike his best version which would be Vertigo.

This seems pretty even, but i'm leaning towards Team New 52.

Even in the New 52, Constantine is still a pretty beastly with magic.