#1 Edited by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man (ultimate)

VS

Deathstroke

Rules

  • This is ultimate Peter Parker
  • Pre 52 Deathstroke
  • Standard gear for both
  • Morals are on
  • Random encounter
  • Win by KO/Death/Incapacitation

Location

  • Begin visible
  • Begin 30 feet apart
  • Unpopulated
  • Fight takes place here:

Who wins and why?

#2 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#3 Edited by krauser99 (640 posts) - - Show Bio

Ult Spiderman is much stronger then Slade but Slade speed is pretty incredible. Not to mention his tactics, weapons, and boosted mind are pretty well known.

For now I think I slightly side with Slade.

#4 Edited by TDK_1997 (13740 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade in a close fight.

#5 Posted by Alexander505 (2141 posts) - - Show Bio

How Slade can win? Spidey FTW.

#6 Posted by Alexander505 (2141 posts) - - Show Bio

Ult Spiderman is much stronger then Slade but Slade speed is pretty incredible. Not to mention his tactics, weapons, and boosted mind are pretty well known.

For now I think I slightly side with Slade.

The Slade's speed is incredible? Nightwing is more faster than him...

#7 Edited by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Edited by AllStarSuperman (16041 posts) - - Show Bio

Ult Spiderman cause I like him more

#9 Posted by krauser99 (640 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99 said:

Ult Spiderman is much stronger then Slade but Slade speed is pretty incredible. Not to mention his tactics, weapons, and boosted mind are pretty well known.

For now I think I slightly side with Slade.

The Slade's speed is incredible? Nightwing is more faster than him...

Nightwing has been implied more faster then Batman. Slade on the other hand is a different case.

#10 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (4947 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Slade can win this I mean he did take on the Titans and Justice League.

#11 Edited by laflux (11123 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man via Incap. He does tend to use that alot.

#12 Edited by Strider92 (15337 posts) - - Show Bio

616 Pete would always take a solid majority against DS due to overwhelming stats, webbing and experience. Ult Spidey lacks the experience however he still has webbing to fall back on. I'm going to say Ult Spidey with a very slim majority. This could go either way due to Ult Pete not being as experienced as his 616 counterpart however that webbing shifts it slightly in his favor. This is by no means an easy fight for either of them. I can't see the winner taking more than a 6/10 win if that.

#13 Posted by Alexander505 (2141 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99: In all fights between Dick and Slade, Dick has always showed a speed and agility better than Slade.

#14 Edited by CharlieJade (422 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man cos he dances around heavy machine gun fire and can possibly even survive a beat down from Rhino or a grenade to the face

90% of Deathstrokes feats = bad writing or PIS

If Wolverine stabbed Galactus to death would that make the feat CANON no it makes it PIS

and thats what Deathstrokes feats are Plot Induced Stupidity

one punch from Spidey and Slade has his head ripped off. Spidey is a 25+ toner. Slade is not soaking damage from Spidey who is simply stronger and faster, with a pre cog Spidey sense allowing him to dodge almost anything thrown at him

#15 Edited by krauser99 (640 posts) - - Show Bio

@alexander505 said:

@krauser99: In all fights between Dick and Slade, Dick has always showed a speed and agility better than Slade.

Dick has noted that in stats Slade has a advantage. Dick uses his agility combined with his martial arts to give Slade problems. But being a nuisance is far from being better. But pound for pound in speed Slade is much faster. Even Cass the bullet timer herself stated Slade is faster then her. Plus feat for feat in pure speed Slade is just superior to Nightwing.

#16 Posted by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade.

It is within his morals to go all out in a KO death incapacitation situation.

#17 Posted by laflux (11123 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

Spider-Man via Incap. He does tend to use that alot.

what about you @cadencev2

#18 Posted by dondave (27342 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Spider-Man

#20 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@laflux said:

Spider-Man via Incap. He does tend to use that alot.

what about you @cadencev2

Slim win toward Ultimate Pete.

Pete has no problem dodging Bullets and that Spider Sense, though not as developed as 616, is still proven helpful vs any sneak attacks. Also the strength and Durability is in Spidey's Favor. The Web Incap which Ultimate Pete does alot in his comics.

All in all the only real advantage Slade has is experience. Spidey has him beat in everything else.

#21 Edited by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh, Slade uses like 90% of his brain enabling him to use his opponent's attributes to his advantage.

Pete chooses to be a hero. He's goofy, clumsy and learns as he lives.

Slade was kinda genetically made for this. He took to war like Paris Hilton takes to shopping. Naturally.

I mean, I spent a LOT of money on buying Spidey books but let's be realistic here.

#22 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh, Slade uses like 90% of his brain enabling him to use his opponent's attributes to his advantage.

Pete chooses to be a hero. He's goofy, clumsy and learns as he lives.

Slade was kinda genetically made for this. He took to war like Paris Hilton takes to shopping. Naturally.

I mean, I spent a LOT of money on buying Spidey books but let's be realistic here.

You wanna talk realism? Look at Deathstroke feats, and try to make a logical and real world explanation how he took down the Titans and Justice League.

#23 Posted by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Um I'm using like 10% of my brain to say that it is because maybe DS uses 90% of his?

The guy is kinda good at being a tactical genius.

#24 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Um I'm using like 10% of my brain to say that it is because maybe DS uses 90% of his?

The guy is kinda good at being a tactical genius.

So being smart is going to give you superior strangth and speed?

Let me know when the smart Nerd Kid beats up the Jock Football Quarter Back. Then we will talk.

#25 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Hey man, show some love for us smart, nerd kids :)

#26 Edited by IRS (445 posts) - - Show Bio

Random encounter is the issue here for me. I think Slade would win with prep but I just don't think he can compete with Spider-man's raw stats in a random encounter.

Spidey for this one.

#27 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

All in all the only real advantage Slade has is experience. Spidey has him beat in everything else.

Not saying deathstroke wins but personally I would say Slade has a skill edge and also a edge in gear.

#28 Posted by krauser99 (640 posts) - - Show Bio

Also I think Slade healing is significantly better as well. If I remember right he healed half his brain in one hour, its been a while since I've seen that scan. As he also healed dissection in minutes. Combined with his boosted brain, superior skills, and weaponry. I give him the slight edge but can see a good case for Ult Spiderman.

#29 Posted by voldo2006 (9 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont know much of the Pre 52 Deathstroke or ultimate Spiderman. If it was random then it would be to Spider's advantage since Deathstroke wouldn't know about his power or abilities. True, a healing factor helps but spiderman can get on top and pound away like he did to Firelord. Again, I don't know anything about Deathstroke and im just making a guess.

#30 Posted by JediXMan (28078 posts) - - Show Bio

@krauser99 said:

Ult Spiderman is much stronger then Slade but Slade speed is pretty incredible. Not to mention his tactics, weapons, and boosted mind are pretty well known.

For now I think I slightly side with Slade.

The Slade's speed is incredible? Nightwing is more faster than him...

... no, he's not.

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#31 Edited by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

Dude You do realize he's killed more bad guys than most others right?

He is genetically enhanced to Captain America levels with a keen intellect bruv.

He's not an ordinary guy with a sword. His senses, reflexes, intellect etc. have all been enhanced.

As a fighter and a combatant he is like a Super Soldier. Also vastly more experienced and ruthless.

But Pete is way more followed by all of us. He's so popular that most will just choose him ftw out of admiration I guess.

:-)

#32 Edited by Strider92 (15337 posts) - - Show Bio

@james_lockart said:

@cadencev2:

Dude You do realize he's killed more bad guys than most others right?

He is genetically enhanced to Captain America levels with a keen intellect bruv.

He's not an ordinary guy with a sword. His senses, reflexes, intellect etc. have all been enhanced.

As a fighter and a combatant he is like a Super Soldier. Also vastly more experienced and ruthless.

But Pete is way more followed by all of us. He's so popular that most will just choose him ftw out of admiration I guess.

:-)

Or the fact that despite all of that Pete is still superior to him in every physical aspect ontop of having pre-cognition and has absolutely nothing to do with who's more popular?

#33 Posted by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Yeah but Deathstroke had taken more powerful enemies down before chief.

It's never as simple as stats chief.

Some of it is a popularity contest.

#34 Posted by Veshark (8561 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm banking on Ultimate Spider-Man here. Deathstroke is easily one of the most overrated combatants on this site. Don't get me wrong, he's obviously a skilled fighter, but he just gets way too much props than he deserves solely on that 'uses 90% of his brain' shortcut of an argument. Deathstroke obviously outclasses Spidey in terms of overall experience, but Ultimate Spider-Man has repeatedly shown to be able to think on his feet and his superhuman attributes have always aided him against enemies with better training (Sabretooth comes to mind). Physically, he far outclasses Deathstroke (being a superhuman and all), and while DS is admittedly pretty fast, I think Spidey's own speed and Spider-Sense will prevent him from being tagged.

Given that this is a random encounter, the fight already weighs in Spidey's favor. It would be a close fight, but I still say that Ultimate Peter takes a slight majority.

#35 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Yeah but Deathstroke had taken more powerful enemies down before chief.

It's never as simple as stats chief.

Some of it is a popularity contest.

well out of 10 people here your one of the few to think DS can win. Thats your call. I just do not see a logical reason for DS to win.

#36 Posted by Alexander505 (2141 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@alexander505 said:

@krauser99 said:

Ult Spiderman is much stronger then Slade but Slade speed is pretty incredible. Not to mention his tactics, weapons, and boosted mind are pretty well known.

For now I think I slightly side with Slade.

The Slade's speed is incredible? Nightwing is more faster than him...

... no, he's not.

Yes, he is.

#37 Edited by Strider92 (15337 posts) - - Show Bio

@james_lockart said:

@strider92: Yeah but Deathstroke had taken more powerful enemies down before chief.

So has nearly every character in comics. Doesn't make it a legit argument for why he wins.

@james_lockart said:

It's never as simple as stats chief.

Sometimes it is. No matter how skilled Batman is he can't dodge a bullet after its been fired at him. Slade only has Spidey outclassed in experience and weapons. Everything else Pete has a severe advantage in. Maybe if Pete only had the advantage in strength and speed Slade would have a shot to bridge the gap but he doesn't. Pete has the advantage in strength, speed, agility, stamina and arguably durability and not by a small amount either. This sort of gap can't be bridged by skill and experience alone and thats not counting Pete's pre-cog or webbing.

@james_lockart said:

Some of it is a popularity contest.

I won't deny that Spider-man is more popular. Thats a given but I can't see any unfair or unreasonable arguments posted here as to why Spider-man wins this that could reflect a fan-boy/girl influence. Feel free to quote one if you like and i'll review it.

#38 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Sometimes it is. No matter how skilled Batman is he can't dodge a bullet fired at his head at point blank range. Slade only has Spidey outclassed in experience and weapons. Everything else Pete has a severe advantage in. Maybe if Pete only had the advantage in strength and speed Slade would have a shot to bridge the gap but he doesn't. Pete had the advantage in strength, speed, agility, stamina and arguably durability and not by a small amount either. This sort of gap can't be bridged by skill and experience alone and thats not counting Pete's pre-cog or webbing.

Indeed, Pete's physical stats simply outrank Slade's by a massive degree and on top of that, even if Slade landed a shot on Peter with whatever weapon he was utilizing, remember that he took a shot to the torso, was bleeding out for the better part of the day, took on his Sinister Six (with help), and tossed a truck onto Norman Osborn before dying.

I'd say his durability and endurance is more than enough to handle Slade.

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#39 Edited by krauser99 (640 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Slades better healing, super strength(not Spiderman level but still impressive), superior skill, superior mind. Normally Spidey is probably used to having a very strong speed edge against his opponents but he really would not have that against Slade.

Deathstroke chances seem very good possibly better.

#40 Edited by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92 said: Slade only has Spidey outclassed in experience and weapons. Everything else Pete has a severe advantage in. Maybe if Pete only had the advantage in strength and speed Slade would have a shot to bridge the gap but he doesn't.

Not quite true chief. Slade has an immense advantage in intelligence. And it is not lab intelligence that Slade excels in it is the tactical and strategic aspects of warfare and combat that are his true power.

His usage of his brain for the purpose of warfare excels almost ALL fictional humans with rare exceptions.

He tends to gauge the opponent's moves and strengths and use that knowledge against them in a BIG WAY.

It's kinda what he does. That's what makes him so formidable against opponents of a greater stats such as the entire JLA or the Titans. He can kinda carry it without being unbelievable.

I, therefore, have chosen to side with Slade given his combat experience, super soldier durability and exceptional tactical intelligence. Might be going against the majority but then one has to rely on wisdom of their own now don't they?

@strider92 said: I can't see any unfair or unreasonable arguments posted here as to why Spider-man wins this that could reflect a fan-boy/girl influence. Feel free to quote one if you like and i'll review it.

Review this Chief: Ult Spiderman cause I like him more.

How could you miss it?

Oh Well.

8th post from the start in case you have any more problems locating it.

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So there you have it.

One more thing: I have spent more money on Spiderman than Deathstoke. In fact WAY MORE. And I'm a bigger fan of the goofy, flawed Spidey then the steely, impersonal, and professional Slade. Yet in this case I feel that he will not take this battle away from the somewhat formidable Slade.

Nice Day Chief

: )

#41 Edited by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by Strider92 (15337 posts) - - Show Bio

Not quite true chief. Slade has an immense advantage in intelligence. And it is not lab intelligence that Slade excels in it is the tactical and strategic aspects of warfare and combat that are his true power.

Again intelligence only gets you so far. Take Midnighter for example the guy can calculate millions and millions of different ways to win (and nearly always does) but when faced with an opponent who outclasses him very badly his battle computer shows him minimal ways to win and sometimes millions of ways he's going to die. Without prep DS's intelligence is a mute point and won't come into play in a way that will shift the fight in his favor.

@strider92 said: Slade only has Spidey outclassed in experience and weapons. Everything else Pete has a severe advantage in. Maybe if Pete only had the advantage in strength and speed Slade would have a shot to bridge the gap but he doesn't.

Not quite true chief. Slade has an immense advantage in intelligence. And it is not lab intelligence that Slade excels in it is the tactical and strategic aspects of warfare and combat that are his true power.

His usage of his brain for the purpose of warfare excels almost ALL fictional humans with rare exceptions.

He tends to gauge the opponent's moves and strengths and use that knowledge against them in a BIG WAY.

It's kinda what he does. That's what makes him so formidable against opponents of a greater stats such as the entire JLA or the Titans. He can kinda carry it without being unbelievable.

I, therefore, have chosen to side with Slade given his combat experience, super soldier durability and exceptional tactical intelligence.

Again thats only useful if you can bridge the physicality gap between you and your opponent. It's no use if your opponent can hit you faster than it takes you to think up a plan. I disagree with him beating the JLA and Titans being believable. There is no way Slade should have a chance against someone like Flash or Green Lantern who have shown to react faster than Slade can even comprehend.

Might be going against the majority but then one has to rely on wisdom of their own now don't they?

Can't argue with that.


Review this Chief: Ult Spiderman cause I like him more.

How could you miss it?

Oh Well.

8th post from the start in case you have any more problems locating it.

And yes I had missed that one. Touché that one is blatantly biased lol!

#43 Posted by James_Lockart (347 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by JediXMan (28078 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, he is.

Care to prove it? Deathstroke has beaten Batman, tagged the Flash multiple times, and beat Dick after he became Batman.

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#45 Edited by Onemoreposter (3574 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@alexander505 said:

Yes, he is.

Care to prove it? Deathstroke has beaten Batman, tagged the Flash multiple times, and beat Dick after he became Batman.

HAH...DeathStroke beats dick.......

#46 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@alexander505 said:

Yes, he is.

Care to prove it? Deathstroke has beaten Batman, tagged the Flash multiple times, and beat Dick after he became Batman.

HAH...DeathStroke beats dick.......

LMAO!!!!

#47 Edited by laflux (11123 posts) - - Show Bio

@onemoreposter said:

@jedixman said:

@alexander505 said:

Yes, he is.

Care to prove it? Deathstroke has beaten Batman, tagged the Flash multiple times, and beat Dick after he became Batman.

HAH...DeathStroke beats dick.......

LMAO!!!!