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Ultimate Silver Surfer v.s 616 Silver Surfer (39 votes)

616 SS 77%
Ultimate SS 23%

They are at their most commonly seen power levels (so no huge amps for either or weakest incarnations) or optional commonly seen incarnations.

Battle takes place in neutral universe outer space

Round 1. Morals on

Round 2. Blood lust.

#1 Posted by Cara_Hunter (3687 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate SS?

#2 Posted by Ratatat (697 posts) - - Show Bio

616 Surfer

#3 Posted by TheSpiritStalker (1952 posts) - - Show Bio

616 should be able to replicate anything his ultimate counterpart can do and more.

#4 Edited by Hyperlight (4375 posts) - - Show Bio

616 has more/better feats

#5 Posted by Cara_Hunter (3687 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Edited by TheSpiritStalker (1952 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by Cara_Hunter (3687 posts) - - Show Bio

@thespiritstalker: dam I don't have a profile in that forum so I can't see the pics xD

#8 Edited by TheSpiritStalker (1952 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by Cara_Hunter (3687 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by TheSpiritStalker (1952 posts) - - Show Bio

@thespiritstalker: no ty I don't want to touch your account xD

It's not mind :p

nah it's cool you can use my amazon account too...

#11 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (6411 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 Could you provide feats for Sliver Surfer Ult. counter part.

#12 Edited by Cara_Hunter (3687 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Edited by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity said:

@cadencev2 Could you provide feats for Sliver Surfer Ult. counter part.

Sure.

Silver Searcher

The Silver Searcher was a being created by the Psycho Man. A Ruler with World Level Telepathy and Mind Control Devices who ruled his own highly advance world. The Silver searcher was made to be Immune to Teleapthy as well created as a metal substance being who would have a Star in his body as a power source.

Powers

Silver Searcher is empowered by a Star inside his body, whats more has control over virtually every form of energy in the Universe.

Immunity to Telepathy as well telepathic himself.

He is Immortal as well and he says took away his immunity to telepathy, it seems proven only false as he actively disobeys Psycho Mans commands.

Can increase his size up to 2 Light years in mass!

Senses every form of Energy and does this on a world level.

Intangibility as well showing that Mind Control.

Strength to break from a Hulk Restraint with no probs.

Strength and Durability to walk in the core of Stars as well tank and over power Thing.

Battles

Silver Searcher full battle with Fantastic Four and SHIELD.

Silver Searcher working for the Watchers turns Phoenix back to earth.

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Gah Lak Tus and Silver Heralds

Gah Lak Tus is the universal destroyer of the Ultimate Verse. It is a collective of hyper machine that cruise around the Universe and wiping out all intelligent Life. It devours stars as well planets.

Gah Lak Tus vs Universe of the most advance Life Forms.

Gah Lak Tus vs Xavier with Super Cerebro. No contest. Later Xavier, Phoenix, and the entire World thoughts still failed to do anything to Gah Lak Tus other make it pitch a fit.

Reed shows how Gah Lak Tus wipes out planets.

Now lets look at how the Silver Heralds came into being.

The Silver Searcher was so powerful, and traveled the Multi Verse for so long, that he was bound to run into Gah Lak Tus who copied the Silver Searcher to make his own lesser powerful heralds. There is a total of 5 of the Heralds known.

Powers

Much like the Silver Searcher, these Heralds are top notch powerful, rivaling that of Iron Man.

These things book at 99% speed of light.

Bullet Proof Force Fields.

Teleport.

Durability is extreme. They can reform parts of their bodies as well withstand large blast altogether.

Strength to rip up Iron Man armor as well Break with ease Captain Marvels arm who is super durable.

Powerful electrical energy blast.

Battles

Silver Herald vs Misty Knight, Falcon, and Captain America.

Silver Herald vs Iron Man and Captain Marvel.

#14 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (4465 posts) - - Show Bio

616.

#15 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

616.

Why? How does he compare to a Surfer who has shown to use power and mass on 2 Light Year scale? 616 Surfer is Planetary at best.

So what argument you have here?

#16 Edited by kidman560 (5741 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: easy

616 synthesizes the odin force

takes a blast that can destroy a planet

over powers Mephisto in his own realm

This guy had the IG and surfer beat him

616 surfer has Telekinesis.

and in this one he turns a guy into atoms. given all of these and i have more on my desktop since i cant upload these into my images (it wont let me save them) i cant stack them, but given all of these 616 surfer should be able to beat the searcher

#17 Edited by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560: There is alot of fail here. SS gets matched by Thor.

Get beaten by Red Hulk Absorbing powers!

Gets Beaten EASY by Mephisto outside his realm. In fact he NEVER beaten Mephisto. EVER!

So try to keep the 616 surfer feats into perspective.

Ultimate Surfer was NEVER Defeated in battle.

#18 Posted by kidman560 (5741 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: umm

the surfer that lost to rulk was a younger surfer from a different dimension and surfer may have lost the first time to Mephisto but he didnt this time

he also survives having a planet made on him

#19 Edited by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: umm

the surfer that lost to rulk was a younger surfer from a different dimension and surfer may have lost the first time to Mephisto but he didnt this time

he also survives having a planet made on him

Mephisto who challenges Galactus himself lost to surfer >_> no he did not. Mephisto was playing possum in hopes of corrupting Surfer. He could NEVER loose to 616 Surfer.

Point is in the end all your scans are Planetary at most and nowhere near Mutiple Solar System busting power of Ultimate Surfer.

Period.

#20 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (4713 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Actually its more of a fail on your part.

Thor is extremely powerful regardless of what you think.

You use an alternate Surfer, not really proving anything there.

Mephisto is another powerful being, next are you going to say he's never beaten Thanos and that's why he loses?

A battle record means nothing if the opponents aren't that powerful. Beating the FF, cap, misty knight, ironman, and captain marvel isn't impressive since they aren't that powerful. 616 Surfer could do the same, if not better.

#21 Edited by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Actually its more of a fail on your part.

Thor is extremely powerful regardless of what you think.

You use an alternate Surfer, not really proving anything there.

Mephisto is another powerful being, next are you going to say he's never beaten Thanos and that's why he loses?

A battle record means nothing if the opponents aren't that powerful. Beating the FF, cap, misty knight, ironman, and captain marvel isn't impressive since they aren't that powerful. 616 Surfer could do the same, if not better.

1) Thor is barely Planetary Threat. Prove me wrong.

2) Fair enough.

3) I proven to Kidman Mephisto was never beaten by Surfers power.

4) Major Fail. The battles of Silver Searcher is SHIELD and Fantastic Four. Silver Heralds are Iron Man level copies from Gah Lak Tus.

Also prove to me Surfer can reach the power and mass of 2 Light Year Span.... go ahead and prove it. That statement and feat alone is a stomp for Silver Herald. Fail on your part to.

#22 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

@cadencev2: Actually its more of a fail on your part.

Thor is extremely powerful regardless of what you think.

You use an alternate Surfer, not really proving anything there.

Mephisto is another powerful being, next are you going to say he's never beaten Thanos and that's why he loses?

A battle record means nothing if the opponents aren't that powerful. Beating the FF, cap, misty knight, ironman, and captain marvel isn't impressive since they aren't that powerful. 616 Surfer could do the same, if not better.

1) Thor is barely Planetary Threat. Prove me wrong.

Pretty sure thor was multi planet busting in his final fight with Gorr (all though I here his muscles were apparently ripping apart as well).

#23 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@cadencev2 said:

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

@cadencev2: Actually its more of a fail on your part.

Thor is extremely powerful regardless of what you think.

You use an alternate Surfer, not really proving anything there.

Mephisto is another powerful being, next are you going to say he's never beaten Thanos and that's why he loses?

A battle record means nothing if the opponents aren't that powerful. Beating the FF, cap, misty knight, ironman, and captain marvel isn't impressive since they aren't that powerful. 616 Surfer could do the same, if not better.

1) Thor is barely Planetary Threat. Prove me wrong.

Pretty sure thor was multi planet busting in his final fight with Gorr (all though I here his muscles were apparently ripping apart as well).

I seen the scans. He destroyed Moons, they were stated moons. Unless you have Scans of something different?

#24 Edited by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: At 3:48 it says Thor ignored the pain. The roar of his own scream. The shattering of worlds around him". Granted this was as a result of fighting Gorr.

#25 Posted by kidman560 (5741 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@cadencev2: At 3:48 it says Thor ignored the pain. The roar of his own scream. The shattering of worlds around him". Granted this was as a result of fighting Gorr.

This is clear Hyperbole.

By your logic Herculese can hold the Planet with ease.

By your logic he can lift the Universe!

Did we see any worlds breaking? No.

Does Thor have any World shattering feats prior to this? No.

I did see a Moon being destroyed. Thats it.

Lets look at the evidence.

Lets compare Earths Moon to Earth Planet size.

Not a Planet of Earth size at all and it was the combination of Gorr and Thor that destroyed said moon.

Not Planetary feat.

#27 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: @jashro44: synthesizes the odin force boom done

This is just sloppy reason. What does Synthisizing Odin Force have to do with anything here?

I remember when Surfer was too weak to fix a Grand Canyon size wound on the Planet from Beyonder. He had to help Molecule Man to repair the damage. He is not that powerful.

In this Surfer failed to repair a CHASM in the Earth!

So Molecule Man who was weaken had to combine power with surfer to do the JOB!

So what does your failure Odin Force Synthisize Scan prove?

#28 Posted by kidman560 (5741 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: that person with the power cosmic > someone of equal power with Odin Force

ex. Galactus > Odin and Surfer > Thor

Surfer also

Surfer also rebuilds an entire city quit trying to downplay him ok 616 Surfer is the boss and he can and will win here

he can calculate where someone will teleport i equate that to being able to track someone going super speed not that the surfer isnt faster than the searcher right now

he crosses galaxies in seconds.

Also why are you trying to use the weakest version of silver surfer vs the Searcher this is reg Surfer vs Searcher. Surfer isnt weakened so dont treat him like he is

Surfer also creates illusions powerful enough to trick Galactus. i dont see the Searcher doing that.

#29 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (4713 posts) - - Show Bio

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

@cadencev2: Actually its more of a fail on your part.

Thor is extremely powerful regardless of what you think.

You use an alternate Surfer, not really proving anything there.

Mephisto is another powerful being, next are you going to say he's never beaten Thanos and that's why he loses?

A battle record means nothing if the opponents aren't that powerful. Beating the FF, cap, misty knight, ironman, and captain marvel isn't impressive since they aren't that powerful. 616 Surfer could do the same, if not better.

1) Thor is barely Planetary Threat. Prove me wrong.

2) Fair enough.

3) I proven to Kidman Mephisto was never beaten by Surfers power.

4) Major Fail. The battles of Silver Searcher is SHIELD and Fantastic Four. Silver Heralds are Iron Man level copies from Gah Lak Tus.

Also prove to me Surfer can reach the power and mass of 2 Light Year Span.... go ahead and prove it. That statement and feat alone is a stomp for Silver Herald. Fail on your part to.

BRB has destroyed a planet and BRB is equal to Thor^^^^

Thor has indirectly affected the earth an caused destruction

Another planetoid

3) Mephisto is a powerful being, why is is bad he lost to Mephisto?

4)Oh and SHIELD?!?! Because thats a huge difference. They aren't that powerful, so its not impressive.

5) Eh, its a hyperbole so it doesn't count. Just using your logic.

6) So now you're going to lowball Surfer to prove your point? Nice, I thought you had some decency when it came to debating but I guess you don't. Just lowball anybody that doesn't agree with you!

#30 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@cadencev2: At 3:48 it says Thor ignored the pain. The roar of his own scream. The shattering of worlds around him". Granted this was as a result of fighting Gorr.

This is clear Hyperbole.

By your logic Herculese can hold the Planet with ease.

By your logic he can lift the Universe!

Did we see any worlds breaking? No.

Does Thor have any World shattering feats prior to this? No.

I did see a Moon being destroyed. Thats it.

Lets look at the evidence.

Lets compare Earths Moon to Earth Planet size.

Not a Planet of Earth size at all and it was the combination of Gorr and Thor that destroyed said moon.

Not Planetary feat.

I never said thor didn't destroy a moon....I said he was destroying planets. On the subject of your hercules scans the issue isn't hyperbole so much as it is unquantifiable. He actually did hold the heavens its just magical properties were in play (because honestly how can you hold something like air....).

Also this is not a moon:

Its a planet (which was going to be destroyed as a result of this battle if not for Thor as I understand it). Watch the rest of the video and Thor states "Thats no empty moon" (3:57). And it turns out this planet had life on it. After thor saves it, it is refereed to as a world. I am interpreting it as the thors thought they were moons at first but they were actually planets. Either that or Gorr was chucking the moons orbiting the planets at thor.

#31 Edited by laflux (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Just to point out, if someone could shatter the moon, hitting the earth would probably leave it decimated and lifeless. Not to mention that the Moon is not that smaller than Mercury (a Planet), and larger than Pluto, which used to be a Planet. So Someone who is a moonbuster is most likely a Planet Buster too.

Also 616 Surfer has some pretty beastly feats. He was having a bad dream, which was warping the world to the point where it was in jeopardy. Mr Fantastic had to wake him up, and the whole city was destroyed. Silver Surfer wakes up, and casually repairs it.

#32 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@norrinboltagonprime21: Your notions of Silver surfer = to Odin is Laughable. @killemall Im calling the authority on Odin and Surfer into this

@jashro44: So Thor destroys a Planet with a FTL Speed Hammer Bull Rush. Not the same to me still.

#33 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@cadencev2: Just to point out, if someone could shatter the moon, hitting the earth would probably leave it decimated and lifeless. Not to mention that the Moon is not that smaller than Mercury (a Planet), and larger than Pluto, which used to be a Planet. So Someone who is a moonbuster is most likely a Planet Buster too.

Also 616 Surfer has some pretty beastly feats. He was having a bad dream, which was warping the world to the point where it was in jeopardy. Mr Fantastic had to wake him up, and the whole city was destroyed. Silver Surfer wakes up, and casually repairs it.

Which plays at odd when he failed to fix damage to earth by Beyonder without a weaken Molecule Mans help.

Also lets say he crush a Pluto size Planet. So what? That is not the standard of Planet Busting Feats. Earth or higher is the standard in discussing Planet Busting with any Comic Character.

Also as you know Ultimate surfer can Slap Millions of Worlds away with his hand.

Also where in hell have you been hiding?

#34 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (4713 posts) - - Show Bio

@norrinboltagonprime21: Your notions of Silver surfer = to Odin is Laughable. @killemall Im calling the authority on Odin and Surfer into this

@jashro44: So Thor destroys a Planet with a FTL Speed Hammer Bull Rush. Not the same to me still.

Dafuq? What are you talking about? Can you even quote me correctly?

#35 Edited by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: He didn't use a bull rush to destroy anything in the screen grab being discussed. He was fighting Gorr, he noticed the planet was going to get destroyed and that it had life on it so he stopped it from getting destroyed. Thats what I am interpreting from the feat and thats the basis of why I believe the narrator statement wasn't using hyperbole. We never saw a world get destroyed thats true, but we did see a world almost get destroyed as a side effect of there fight until Thor saved that world and we do know the narrator states thor and gorr were destroying worlds.

Admittedly this is based on what is shown in the video.

#36 Edited by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@cadencev2: He didn't use a bull rush to destroy anything in the screen grab being discussed. He was fighting Gorr, he noticed the planet was going to get destroyed and that it had life on it so he stopped it from getting destroyed. Thats what I am interpreting from the feat and thats the basis of why I believe the narrator statement wasn't using hyperbole. We never saw a world get destroyed thats true, but we did see a world almost get destroyed as a side effect of there fight until Thor saved that world and we do know the narrator states thor and gorr were destroying worlds.

Admittedly this is based on what is shown in the video.

That is my point, we see a super small planet that Thor was thought was a moon, and then Gorr was already tearing said planet apart before Thor Bull Rushed him.

We see no Planets busted on panel and the mention strikes me as Hyperbole to describe the epic battle.

Anyway I see no point discussing this further as it is 616 Surfer vs Ultimate Searcher. My question to you on this is how can Sufer beat a being who remain undefeated, even in his run in with Gah Lak Tus, and can grow in 2 Light Years in size? His power with Telepathy, Immunity to it, Intagibility, Strength Superior to Ultimate Hulk, can move at 99 Percent Light Speed, has Instant Teleportation, and can reform his body from ooze. He has the power source of a Super Large Sun. The Same Sun that Reed needed to power his Cosmic Cube.

How does 616 Surfer win here when he has many feats of being beaten by way less?

#38 Edited by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

That is my point, we see a super small planet that Thor was thought was a moon, and then Gorr was already tearing said planet apart before Thor Bull Rushed him.

We see no Planets busted on panel and the mention strikes me as Hyperbole to describe the epic battle.

Gorr tore a different planet/moon apart from the looks of it. The planet thor saved was only beginning to break.

As I said we don't see a planet break on panel but we do see a planet almost break on panel as a result of there fight. Its just Thor some how stopped it. If thor wasn't there it would have broke. Thats why I don't think the narration is hyperbole. Because we would have saw a planet break if thor didn't save it. We will agree to disagree though as you are right this isn't very relevant to this thread.

Anyway I see no point discussing this further as it is 616 Surfer vs Ultimate Searcher. My question to you on this is how can Sufer beat a being who remain undefeated, even in his run in with Gah Lak Tus, and can grow in 2 Light Years in size? His power with Telepathy, Immunity to it, Intagibility, Strength Superior to Ultimate Hulk, can move at 99 Percent Light Speed, has Instant Teleportation, and can reform his body from ooze. He has the power source of a Super Large Sun. The Same Sun that Reed needed to power his Cosmic Cube.

How does 616 Surfer win here when he has many feats of being beaten by way less?

My knowledge of 616 surfer isn't the best. I don't know if I could make a case for him and I also am not sure if he is as powerful. The only thing I can really say is didn't silver searcher get smacked around by ultimate cap (I know ultimate cap didn't win but he was able to damage and react to his attacks right)? Both seem to have there ups and downs.

I mainly just replied because I think you are underestimating thor a bit.

#39 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Also in the red hulk scan that was a silver surfer plucked from the past. He only had his powers for a short while so he didn't really know what he was doing. Which is probably why he lost (he had no experience).

I think theres some context to that scan of thor beating surfer but I can't remember. I will wait for @killemall as he probably knows.

#40 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

Since most character can bust Moons like the size of Pluto. If we have no standard of Planet Busting then whats the point of the label Planet Buster? Superman can bench earth, that suggest Planet Busting strength. Smashing Pluto?

Not nearly as Impressive at all!

Also why are you challenging me with out a proper hand slap of the glove!

@jashro44 said:

My knowledge of 616 surfer isn't the best. I don't know if I could make a case for him and I also am not sure if he is as powerful. The only thing I can really say is didn't silver searcher get smacked around by ultimate cap? Both seem to have there ups and downs.

I mainly just replied because I think you are underestimating thor a bit.

Please read the Feats again. Their is Silver Searcher on the top. Then the second part is Silver Heralds who are 5 in number and are slightly more powerful than Ultimate Iron Man. Silver Searcher told Phoenix to p!ss off.

Phoenix at this time was running rough shot all over the Universe driving Civilizations insane.

#41 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: All right. I didn't realize there was a difference between silver searcher and silver herald.

#42 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@cadencev2: All right. I didn't realize there was a difference between silver searcher and silver herald.

The Silver Searcher was so powerful, and traveled the Multi Verse for so long, that he was bound to run into Gah Lak Tus who copied the Silver Searcher to make his own lesser powerful heralds. There is a total of 5 of the Heralds known.

#43 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: All right thanks for the info. Also on an unrelated note are you aware that 616 galactus is currently fused with his ultimate self and is currently in the ultimate universe?

#44 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@cadencev2: All right thanks for the info. Also on an unrelated note are you aware that 616 galactus is currently fused with his ultimate self and is currently in the ultimate universe?

Yes, I heard. What ****ing bull****!

#45 Posted by kidman560 (5741 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: that Phoenix scan is being used so wrongly here. Searcher couldnt stop Phoenix all he could do was slow her down. also look at the poll clearly you arent convincing anybody

can the searcher heal himself from near death

#46 Edited by jwalser3 (4479 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: You can your Ultimate feat dumps. :p

#47 Posted by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@cadencev2: You can your Ultimate feat dumps. :p

I know :)

@cadencev2: that Phoenix scan is being used so wrongly here. Searcher couldnt stop Phoenix all he could do was slow her down.

Which is more than a 616 Surfer can.

also look at the poll clearly you arent convincing anybody

Oh no, Im not part of the majority that just assume 616 Surfer is better than Ultimates because of the overused assumption on any comic site that 616 Marvel > Ultimate Marvel in every possible way!

Like I care what Un informed 616 fanboys think.

#48 Posted by jashro44 (16462 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm thinking ultimate silver surfer wins. Mainly due to his potential size.

#49 Edited by Pokergeist (22346 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

I'm thinking ultimate silver surfer wins. Mainly due to his potential size.

Power Wise the Ultimate Surfer litteraly has a full blown star held within his body. Reed was looking for Stars of much greater energy than our sun to power his Cosmic Cube. He found Ultimate Searcher.

This is low balling the energy power in scope.

I think size aside, Ultimate Searcher simply stomps.

#50 Edited by Killemall (16981 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

I'm thinking ultimate silver surfer wins. Mainly due to his potential size.

The size thing is more likely to do with the fact that he is actually from a different stack of reality. The same thing to some extent happens to Shuma Gorath from say 616.

Honestly i dont think size had anything to do with the fight, in fact, the moment he entered our reality he started shrinking, which obviously wasnt intentional.

Try as we might Ultimate Surfer has very little exposure and very little feats.