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#1 Edited by Strider92 (16079 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Reed Richards:

Vs

John Constantine:

Conditions:

  • Morals On
  • 24 hours prep
  • I'll allow N-52 and Hellblazer feats for John
  • Win by KO, Death or Incap

Location:

#2 Posted by dondave (34246 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Can the 24 Hours be extended by Reed's Dome?

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#3 Posted by XxGin (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

Constantine with 24 hours of prep? Spite

#4 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Dude this is a huge mismatch. Can John even cross Universes? Reed can and sets up bases in universes. He never have to attack John from the same universe. He can Anti Matter bomb John with ease.

@dondave said:

@strider92: Can the 24 Hours be extended by Reed's Dome?

24 hours can equal 100 years for Reed.

@xxgin said:

Constantine with 24 hours of prep? Spite

What has Constatine EVER done to equall the power of a Cosmic Cube? Or even be able to attack Reed when Reed hides in mutiple Universes?

#5 Edited by New_World_Order (12452 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting matchup.

#6 Edited by Strider92 (16079 posts) - - Show Bio


24 hours can equal 100 years for Reed.


For the purposes of the scenario it is 24 hours max for both no increase as both John and Reed can increase their prep time. Reed via the dome and John via using that weird house of his that exists outside of time.

#7 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

24 hours can equal 100 years for Reed.


For the purposes of the scenario it is 24 hours max for both no increase as both John and Reed can increase their prep time. Reed via the dome and John via using that weird house of his that exists outside of time.

OK, now you open a whole new can of worms guy.

If Reed does not have access to the Dome, he loses. That is his base of operations where all his prep and gear was located!

You take that away you have Reed with a stick.

Constatine wins with hell powers.

#8 Posted by Strider92 (16079 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: What i'm saying is he has access to his gear but can't increase his prep time. I'll make it simple no time manipulation lol 24 hours prep is all they get!

#9 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: What i'm saying is he has access to his gear but can't increase his prep time. I'll make it simple no time manipulation lol 24 hours prep is all they get!

Ok. Then Reed stomps still.

He has bases in other dimensions, ways to attack via Bio Bombs and Anti Matter bombs via Vortexes, all thru Sat Cameras and an d other devices with Cameras in the world.

Heck he has a Army called Children of Tommorow. Has a Thor pwning Cyborg called First Knife.

In 24 hours he could build a Cosmic Cube. Red Skull with a third world country did so in 3 days base of Reed's blueprints. Reed himself with his super advance society should whip one up in 24 hours.

Reed stomps.

#10 Posted by dondave (34246 posts) - - Show Bio

Reed ftw

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#11 Posted by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

Part of me wants to say Consantine could summon some uber-powerful demon or the like to help him, however Constantine is out of his element against a guy like Reed.

#12 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Part of me wants to say Consantine could summon some uber-powerful demon or the like to help him, however Constantine is out of his element against a guy like Reed.

Even then Reed would just depower the demon like he did the Odin Force.

#13 Posted by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge said:

Part of me wants to say Consantine could summon some uber-powerful demon or the like to help him, however Constantine is out of his element against a guy like Reed.

Even then Reed would just depower the demon like he did the Odin Force.

True. Yeah, I have trouble seeing Constantine win, unless he BFRs Reed into Hell.

#14 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: That should not work either. Ultimate Reed has Mapped most of the Marvel Multiverse and Dimensions. He has a Vortex Machine in the N-Zone that allowed him free passage thru the Universes.

On top of this Reed with prep built his own Cosmic Cube that can rip through Space and Time.

Considering he has used his Time slowing Dome to make a few months equal 1000s of years, he has all the prep in the world to make another Cosmic Cube.

#15 Posted by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: That should not work either. Ultimate Reed has Mapped most of the Marvel Multiverse and Dimensions. He has a Vortex Machine in the N-Zone that allowed him free passage thru the Universes.

On top of this Reed with prep built his own Cosmic Cube that can rip through Space and Time.

Considering he has used his Time slowing Dome to make a few months equal 1000s of years, he has all the prep in the world to make another Cosmic Cube.

Damn, Ultimate Reed's awesome.

Would Reed be able to protect himself from having his soul removed? (Assuming Constantine had the chance, of course)

#16 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: There is no feats of Soul Resistance that I have. Magic is not the biggest thing in Ultimate Verse. Dr. Doom manage to use Magic to switch bodies with Reed. However Reed then learn Magic and Magic Spells shortly after that. Enough to beat the Zombie Verse F4.

Also Reed beaten the Magic without prep of Diablo.

Then there was another time where Reed had to battle the Salem Witches.

Reed is no stranger to Magic. However I never seen a straight soul steal use on him.

#17 Edited by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@comicstooge: There is no feats of Soul Resistance that I have. Magic is not the biggest thing in Ultimate Verse. Dr. Doom manage to use Magic to switch bodies with Reed. However Reed then learn Magic and Magic Spells shortly after that. Enough to beat the Zombie Verse F4.

Also Reed beaten the Magic without prep of Diablo.

Then there was another time where Reed had to battle the Salem Witches.

Reed is no stranger to Magic. However I never seen a straight soul steal use on him.

Fair enough.

So it's possible for Consantine to win that way, though not likely, given Reed will be in a totally different dimension during the fight.

#18 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: Or time. Reed is not big on confrontation, he rather deliver a Anti Matter Bomb via Vortex.

#19 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

Put him against a real magical titan!

Gromph Baenre vs. Ultimate Reed Richards! Lets do it!

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#20 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Constantine tricks him into swallowing himself.

#21 Edited by Bronze_Surfer (2962 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Is there anything ultimate reed cant do?

#22 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay: .... how will Baern counter Time Freezing?

@cadencev2: Is there anything ultimate reed cant do?

Beat Plot Device, which is what it takes to win against him.

#23 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2962 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: I'd love to see him go against Thanos or Warlock with the Classic IG

#25 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2962 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer: Without, Reed has never shown Universal Power, Universal Threat sure, but not power like Thanos with IG.

#28 Posted by ChillinVillain (140 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Oh shit, now I know you must've been killing yourself repeatedly like I was when Reed was "defeated" in Ultimate Comics Ultimates #12..........GOD, what a horrible chapter that was; I mean really, Tony's cancer all of a sudden being sentient and Reed letting his emotions get to him all of a sudden when he CLEARLY didn't have a problem not letting them get to him in all his other appearances as an antagonist.

#29 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@chillinvillain: I think the fact Tony had insert plot device was a bit too convenient, I also thought Reed being all crazy like that in the end was totally out of character. In Doom arc where Reed became evil, he was so in control and lost to mainly the combine effort of everyone against him as well Reed own holding back on his foes. Yet now he lost to Tony Technopathy Tumor that convince his City to turn on him.

Its whatever. I like how Sue beat him in 1 on 1, that was thought out at least.

#30 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7734 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: all those feats u named for reed richards wht issues were all those in i like to read them reed is my fav fantastic 4 hero

#31 Edited by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay: .... how will Baern counter Time Freezing?

@bronze_surfer said:

@cadencev2: Is there anything ultimate reed cant do?

Beat Plot Device, which is what it takes to win against him.

You think time magic doesn't exist in D&D? Over and above this he can occupy a different plane of existence, where the passage of time on the prime material plane (where Reed exists) does not matter.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#32 Edited by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, after reading a few more Hellblazer comics, I've changed my mind.

John would just dupe some crusty lord of hell into removing Reed's soul, regardless of what universe Reed's in.

#33 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, after reading a few more Hellblazer comics, I've changed my mind.

John would just dupe some crusty lord of hell into removing Reed's soul, regardless of what universe Reed's in.

Reed depowers Hell Lord like he did Odin. Easy day. Reed also knows Magic from Dooms Atlantis books. He was able to excorcise a Old One ripped off from Lovercraft as a result.

#35 Posted by dondave (34246 posts) - - Show Bio
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#37 Posted by XxGin (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@blazinghell: Cadence has left the site

His new to this site calm down. Also REALLY?! NOT FOREVER RIGHT?!

#38 Posted by Jmarshmallow (3562 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm...this is pretty cool.

I think I'm going with JohnCon.

Pretty much everyone in the universe is going to die though.

Jmarshmallow

#39 Posted by dondave (34246 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxgin said:

@dondave said:

@blazinghell: Cadence has left the site

His new to this site calm down. Also REALLY?! NOT FOREVER RIGHT?!

Calm down from what?

I don't see him coming back but he might change his mind

@dondave: what happened to him?

He said it wasn't fun anymore

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#40 Posted by Wardemon32 (4071 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by XxGin (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

@blazinghell:

Can you give me scans of The House of Mysteries being connected to Johns mind? Not doubting you or anything it's just many idiots on the Vice is like scans of The House of Mysteries being outside of time and space and scans of John teleporting there..

Also John can BFR people there right?

#45 Posted by Batmanfanboy (952 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: Reed is technically dead and doesnt have a soul..

#46 Edited by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Edited by Batmanfanboy (952 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Edited by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge said:

@batmanfanboy said:

@comicstooge: Reed is technically dead and doesnt have a soul..

Really? O_o

Just because he doesn't have standard human function doesn't mean he isn't alive. It's not as if he's a zombie or something.

#49 Edited by Batmanfanboy (952 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: i guess. but iv seen him resist matter manipulation.

I wouldnt be shocked if he can resist possession as well.

he says he isnt technically alive

#50 Posted by Baron_BJ (117 posts) - - Show Bio

@batmanfanboy said:

@comicstooge said:

@batmanfanboy said:

@comicstooge: Reed is technically dead and doesnt have a soul..

Really? O_o

Just because he doesn't have standard human function doesn't mean he isn't alive. It's not as if he's a zombie or something.

This is one of those really "iffy" things because it comes down to what a person's definition of "alive" is. Ultimate Reed has explained exactly how his powers work; when the accident that gave everyone their powers occurred the original Reed was destroyed and completely recreated as "pliable bacteria stacks" (that's a direct quote). This means that depending on how you classify consciousness and the idea of a soul (or the idea of the soul in the Ultimate Universe, which really hasn't been explored), the REAL Reed actually died and has just been replaced by bacteria that has been masquerading/believing itself to be Reed (something that Reed actually brought up himself before just kind of ignoring the idea and the questions it raised).

This means Ultimate Reed may actually be soulless. However, in the Main Marvel Universe (everything operates differently in different universes, so this probably doesn't have any bearing on things) clones can have souls (this was one of X-23's character arcs, it was flat-our answered in the disappointing "Circle of Four" storyline where X-23 (among others) is actually in Hell and Mephisto informs her that she couldn't be in Hell without a soul (reasonable logic, although Mephisto isn't exactly someone that can be trusted). So, if Clones can have souls and Reed is essentially a recreation of the real Reed made up of some fancy stacks of bacteria then does he count as a clone or does this bacteria not count for some reason and therefore doesn't get a soul?

F***ed if I know.