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#1  Edited By DeathsHead2

Takes place on a beach, on the California Coast, at midnight. NO prep. Current Hulk. Hulk thinks that Ult. Namor is the 616 Namor... Ult. Namor sees a pissed green giant, and wants to eliminate it! BATTLE!

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#2  Edited By Rasarima

Current separeted hulk? Namor wins

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#3  Edited By DeathsHead2

Yes. MOST Current Hulk. Not WWH/WBH. ;)

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#4  Edited By Static Shock

Hulk.

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#5  Edited By Army2442

Hulk smashes.

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#6  Edited By TrueIlluminatus

Hulk breaks him. Getting kinda tired of people thinking any version of Namor is a match for Hulk.

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#7  Edited By DeathsHead2

Umm, Ultimate Namor defeated pretty much ALL of the Ultimate Heroes, at the SAME TIME! He's a contender for Current Hulk. Look Ultimate Namor up, then educate yourself, then decide. Ultimate Namor is > 616 Namor. Ultimate Namor has UBER Hydrokinesis abilities, and seems to NOT dehydrate like 616 Namor does when blasted with longing & intence flames. ;) Lastly, Ultimate Namor may have actually been a Villain, one that the Atlantians had to "imprison"!

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#8  Edited By TrueIlluminatus

@DeathsHead2: Unlike you, it would appear I've actually done my homework and actually read all of Ultimate Namor's appearances. Nice try though.

@DeathsHead2 said:

Umm, Ultimate Namor defeated pretty much ALL of the Ultimate heroes, at the same time! He's a contender for Current Hulk. Look Ultimate Namor up, then educate yourself, then decide. Ultimate Namor is > 616 Namor. Ultimate namor has UBER Hydrokinesis abilities and seems to NOT dehydrate like 616 Namor does when blasted with continuos intence flames. ;) Lastly, Ultimate Namor may have actually been a Villain, one that the Atlantians had to "imprison"!

First of all, the only advantage that Ult. Namor has ever had over his 616 counterpart would be hydrokinesis, which will hardly be useful against 616 Hulk. Secondly, defeating "pretty much ALL" the Ultimate heroes isn't exactly something 616 Hulk couldn't do himself. A majority of the Ult. Heroes could've easily killed Namor at any point during his little temper tantrum, but they choose not too because they're heroes. I don't care if the Atlantians imprisoned him or worshipped him as a god, it's not a useful feat, therefore it shouldn't be passed off as one.

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#9  Edited By TrueIlluminatus

@DeathsHead2: Also, seeing as you're the thread's creator, it's not exactly wise of you too attempt to tell me who wins and loses. Anyone with a brain stem could see you're biased, but telling me too educate myself is rude and uncalled for, as well as childish and pretentious. Knock it off.

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#10  Edited By DeathsHead2

Really? Tell General Zod that! Lol! ;)

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#11  Edited By Static Shock

@DeathsHead2 said:

Umm, Ultimate Namor defeated pretty much ALL of the Ultimate Heroes, at the SAME TIME!

Ultimate versions of 616 heroes are just pale comparisons. They aren't equal or greater than the originals.

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#12  Edited By TrueIlluminatus

@Static Shock said:

@DeathsHead2 said:

Umm, Ultimate Namor defeated pretty much ALL of the Ultimate Heroes, at the SAME TIME!

Ultimate versions of 616 heroes are just pale comparisons. They aren't equal or greater than the originals.

Eh, Ult. Cap>616 Cap, same can be argued for a few other characters, like Colossus and Hawkeye.

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#13  Edited By DeathsHead2

True, I'll be wanting Ultimate Namor to win. But, saying this version of Namor, by the Coast, with his Uber hydrokinesis powers, has NO chance at taking down Current Hulk is biased in and of itself. Ult. Namor is no clown, even IF he loses to Current Hulk, Hulk's NOT walking away unscathed... Also, Ult. Namor and Ult. Captain America are the 2 exceptions to that Ultimate's

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#14  Edited By Static Shock

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Eh, Ult. Cap>616 Cap, same can be argued for a few other characters, like Colossus and Hawkeye.

I was speaking for the majority of the Ultimate Universe. I already know about Ultimate Cap and the other two.

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#15  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
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@Illuminatus said:

Eh, Ult. Cap>616 Cap, same can be argued for a few other characters, like Colossus and Hawkeye.

I was speaking for the majority of the Ultimate Universe. I already know about Ultimate Cap and the other two.

Ah, okay. Cool. 
  
 
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 But, saying this version of Namor, by the Coast, with his Uber hydrokinesis powers, has NO chance at taking down Current Hulk is biased in and of itself.  
No, it's not actually. I really don't have a biased opinion as to who the victor is, but I have hesitations when suddenly agreeing with the notion that Ult. Namor is automatically stronger than 616 Hulk when Ult. Namor never even fought the Ult. version of the character. 
 
 Ult. Namor is no clown, even IF he loses to Current Hulk, Hulk's NOT walking away unscathed... Also, Ult. Namor and Ult. Captain America are the 2 exceptions to that Ultimate's < 616's rule. Their Feats speak the truth.
You're forgetting Colossus, Hawkeye, and arguably Pietro.
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#16  Edited By _Black

Hulk.

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#17  Edited By DeathsHead2

Really? Ult. Quicksilver is >/= 616 Quicksilver?! Didn't know that. The other 2, Colossus & Hawkeye, figured they are close to the 616's as well, maybe "slightly" above their 616 counterparts. On topic, Ultimate Namor is a CONTENDER for the 616's Current Hulk. Never said this was a STOMP. Now, on the 616 Namor versus Ultimate Hulk, THAT is a STOMP in Namor's favor! ;)

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#18  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@DeathsHead2 said:
Really? Ult. Quicksilver is >/= 616 Quicksilver?! 
Pre-616 Pietro's upgrade, it's possible. Ult. Pietro has done some things I haven't seen 616 Pietro ever do. 
 
 The other 2, Colossus & Hawkeye, figured they are close to the 616's as well, maybe "slightly" above their 616 counterparts. 
Ult. Hawkeye has enhanced eyesight and reflexes. He's basically 616 Hawkeye + Bullseye. Colossus was only taken down with a localized-nuke arrow shot by Hawkeye. He gave Ult. Thor a good beatdown too. 
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#19  Edited By Rickbarry

@Illuminatus: @DeathsHead2: Yeah, I'll throw my two cents in here when it comes to Ultimate Namor. I didn't find him all that great based on this one meeting with the fantastic four. I assume that's what we're talking about, right? He left once he kissed what's her face?

I actually believe Ultimate Colossus could wreck any version of Namor, but for the purposes of this thread I'm going to choose Hulk.

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#20  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Rickbarry said:

@Illuminatus: @DeathsHead2: Yeah, I'll throw my two cents in here when it comes to Ultimate Namor. I didn't find him all that great based on this one meeting with the fantastic four. I assume that's what we're talking about, right? He left once he kissed what's her face?

I actually believe Ultimate Colossus could wreck any version of Namor, but for the purposes of this thread I'm going to choose Hulk.

He left once he got a kiss from Sue.
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#21  Edited By Rickbarry

@Illuminatus: SUE! I was having such a difficult time remembering her name. I do think Ultimate Namor is a more powerful version of his 616 version. Would you agree with that?

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#22  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Rickbarry: Eh, Ult. Namor just doesn't have the feats, outside of hydrokinesis.
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#23  Edited By jeanroygrant

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Hulk smashes.

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#24  Edited By Blob

@Illuminatus said:

Hulk breaks him. Getting kinda tired of people thinking any version of Namor is a match for Hulk.

This.

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#25  Edited By SuperTide

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Hulk.

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#26  Edited By Jonny_Anonymous
@Illuminatus said:
@Rickbarry: Eh, Ult. Namor just doesn't have the feats, outside of hydrokinesis.
He took a Nova blast from human torch and it did nothing, thats pretty good
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#27  Edited By jashro44
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Current separeted hulk? Namor wins

You realize he hasn't changed in strength at all right? He pummeled the boar brothers at the earths core and his punches caused earth quakes around the world.
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#28  Edited By Spydey

Huuuuulk

And to me, Ultimate Tony>616 Tony. Main Tony's just been at it longer, but I feel like Ulti Tony's way smarter, even after the extremis.

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#29  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Illuminatus said:

Hulk breaks him. 

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#30  Edited By Murder_2120

Namor wins.

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#31  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
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Namor wins.

How?
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#32  Edited By Murder_2120

He's as strong as the Hulk before berserk, can fly, is really fast, has an ocean here to regenerate him and increase his strength and speed far beyond Hulk, and he has terrible writers and publicity so never gets the credit he deserves.

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#33  Edited By jeanroygrant

@Static Shock said:

Hulk.

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#34  Edited By Static Shock

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He's as strong as the Hulk before berserk, can fly, is really fast, has an ocean here to regenerate him and increase his strength and speed far beyond Hulk, and he has terrible writers and publicity so never gets the credit he deserves.

Ultimate Namor isn't as strong as 616 Hulk, though.

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#35  Edited By VenomousDragon

HULK!!!

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#36  Edited By Murder_2120

@Static Shock said:

@Murder_2120 said:

He's as strong as the Hulk before berserk, can fly, is really fast, has an ocean here to regenerate him and increase his strength and speed far beyond Hulk, and he has terrible writers and publicity so never gets the credit he deserves.

Ultimate Namor isn't as strong as 616 Hulk, though.

Underwater he's close enough.

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#37  Edited By RoyalDivinity

@Murder_2120:

@Static Shock said:
@Murder_2120 said:
He's as strong as the Hulk before berserk, can fly, is really fast, has an ocean here to regenerate him and increase his strength and speed far beyond Hulk, and he has terrible writers and publicity so never gets the credit he deserves.
Ultimate Namor isn't as strong as 616 Hulk, though.
Underwater he's close enough.

Say what now?

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#38  Edited By Murder_2120

That's World Breaker Hulk, not this version. Anyone can write a short series and completely go against everything we know. One day someone is going to make a series that makes Cyclops the most powerful being in the universe and then everyone will say, "Cyclops is the baddest nothing can stop him !1!". Writers always do that thinking it's going to give them huge sales.

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#39  Edited By Static Shock

@Murder_2120 said:

Underwater he's close enough.

Strongest Ultimate Namor feat underwater?

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#40  Edited By Erik

@Static Shock said:

@Murder_2120 said:

Underwater he's close enough.

Strongest Ultimate Namor feat underwater?

Ultimate Namor was never stated to be stronger underwater that I can remember. I believe he has some kind of mental control over water though.

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#41  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@Murder_2120 said:

That's World Breaker Hulk, not this version. Anyone can write a short series and completely go against everything we know. One day someone is going to make a series that makes Cyclops the most powerful being in the universe and then everyone will say, "Cyclops is the baddest nothing can stop him !1!". Writers always do that thinking it's going to give them huge sales.

Well Cyclops does have an entire universe worth of energy at his disposal. Trololo.

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#42  Edited By Static Shock

@Erik: That was why I asked him.

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#43  Edited By Erik

@Static Shock:

I figured you already knew, I just did not want to wait for what was sure to be an answer that never was coming.

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#44  Edited By jashro44
@Murder_2120 said:

That's World Breaker Hulk, not this version. Anyone can write a short series and completely go against everything we know. One day someone is going to make a series that makes Cyclops the most powerful being in the universe and then everyone will say, "Cyclops is the baddest nothing can stop him !1!". Writers always do that thinking it's going to give them huge sales.

This is from hulks recent series. He is fighting the bore brothers in the earths core
This is from hulks recent series. He is fighting the bore brothers in the earths core
Punches one of them some where really far away (looks like the arctic?)
Punches one of them some where really far away (looks like the arctic?)
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 Collateral damage as a result of the battle. There are earth quakes around the world because of the hulks fight.
 Collateral damage as a result of the battle. There are earth quakes around the world because of the hulks fight.
More collateral damage. 
More collateral damage. 
More collateral damage...
More collateral damage...
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 Can ultimate namor match a force of strength which caused earth quakes around the world as a side effect of fighting to gamma mutants in the earths core?
 Can ultimate namor match a force of strength which caused earth quakes around the world as a side effect of fighting to gamma mutants in the earths core?
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#45  Edited By Static Shock

@jashro44: Nice scans.

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#46  Edited By Murder_2120

@jash- yes.

Also why does the hulk now have an under-bite?

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#47  Edited By Voodoom
@Illuminatus said:


                   

Hulk breaks him. Getting kinda tired of people thinking any version of Namor is a match for Hulk.



                   

               

Totally understand that opinion.  But Ultimate Namor has powers that totally go off the scales including his strength which is highest in Marvel Universe.  Also current Hulk not at his best.   If it was WWH I would go Green but here the Black Adam lookalike takes it.
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#48  Edited By TrueIlluminatus
@Voodoom said:
@Illuminatus said:


                   

Hulk breaks him. Getting kinda tired of people thinking any version of Namor is a match for Hulk.



                   

               
Totally understand that opinion.  But Ultimate Namor has powers that totally go off the scales including his strength which is highest in Marvel Universe.  Also current Hulk not at his best.   If it was WWH I would go Green but here the Black Adam lookalike takes it.
There are no feats that suggest he is the strongest character within the Ult. Marvel universe. Not one single feat.
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#49  Edited By Saren

@Voodoom said:

But Ultimate Namor has powers that totally go off the scales including his strength which is highest in Marvel Universe.

wait wut

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#50  Edited By TrueIlluminatus

Ult. Namor's best feats are beating up on an unsuspecting Fantastic Four. He never even went toe-to-toe with the top powerhouses in that universe (Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Ghost Rider, Power Princess, etc.).