Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death?
In character
Regular equipment
Random encounter
Fight takes place at an unpopulated city block at night
Who'd win? For what reasons?
Winner by KO, Incapacitation or Death?
In character
Regular equipment
Random encounter
Fight takes place at an unpopulated city block at night
Who'd win? For what reasons?
Cap. Physicals are debatable since bane has superhuman strength even off venom now. I'm pretty sure that was stated. But Steve has guns and a shield and comparable fighting skill
Ultimate cap hands down ftw. Banes got the edge in strength but caps got him beat everywhere else as far as physicals go. Iirc ult. Cap hasn't mastered all the forms of martial arts as in 616 though,,but he can lift up to 4 tons and seems to be smarter,not just a tactical genius but tech savvy as well,,(hacking shield).
Ultimate cap hands down ftw. Banes got the edge in strength but caps got him beat everywhere else as far as physicals go. Iirc ult. Cap hasn't mastered all the forms of martial arts as in 616 though,,but he can lift up to 4 tons and seems to be smarter,not just a tactical genius but tech savvy as well,,(hacking shield).
This, only he is more 5+ toner with consistent striking feats to put down 100 toners.
Feats can be PIS. Especially if we're talkin' about Captain America.
616 Captain Americas yes. Ultimate Cap suppose PIS cannot be PIS when they are Consistent. PIS refers to whats impossible and inconsistent. None which applies to the super human Ultimate Captain America.
Feats can be PIS. Especially if we're talkin' about Captain America.
616 Captain Americas yes. Ultimate Cap suppose PIS cannot be PIS when they are Consistent. PIS refers to whats impossible and inconsistent. None which applies to the super human Ultimate Captain America.
You say that as if 616 Steve isn't superhuman.
@wolverine08: Enhance Human sure. he is the peak of what we are capable of. He is pretty much only slightly better than any world record holder human for all intents and purpose. Be is not stated flat put majorly superhuman like Ultimate Cap, and bios reflect this as well.
Been done,Cap wins due to the shield,LOL at Cap's physicals being superior to Bane's.
They are. Ultimate Captain America is beyond the 616 version by a considerable margin. New-52 Bane is physically superior to 616 Cap though.
@wolverine08: Enhance Human sure. he is the peak of what we are capable of. He is pretty much only slightly better than any world record holder human for all intents and purpose. Be is not stated flat put majorly superhuman like Ultimate Cap, and bios reflect this as well.
Completely untrue.
616 Cap is leagues beyond real life peak humans. So is the movie Captain America.
@indiecomicsftw: How is 616 Steve only a little better than an Olympic level human being? You can't name any Olympic level or comic book athlete whom has been clocked running 60 MPH per hour. You can't get any comic book human whom is only slightly better then a peak human and expect them not to go splat when War Machine throws them into the bullet proof brick John Steele like Steve has. They can't see bullets in slow motion like Steve. Peak humans Luke Winter Soldier have admitted that Steve is three whole times stronger and faster than them. Super humans like Black Panther have called him their equal physically. He was described as having reached the next step in human evolution after Project Rebirth.
I agree that Ultimate Captain America is at a higher level physically than 616 Steve, but saying he isn't superhuman is a bit of am underestimation. He's more at the lower end of superhuman physically speaking.
Been done,Cap wins due to the shield,LOL at Cap's physicals being superior to Bane's.
Ermmm Ultimate Cap's physicals are considerably higher than Bane's. The guy got into an brute force pushing match with Ultimate Spider-man and was holding his own. Granted Ult Spider-man would have overpowered Ult Cap eventually in that scenario due to him being angry and scared for his Aunt's life but still Ult Cap matched a pretty consistent 10tonner in brute force which is far above Bane.
Been done,Cap wins due to the shield,LOL at Cap's physicals being superior to Bane's.
Ermmm Ultimate Cap's physicals are considerably higher than Bane's. The guy got into an brute force pushing match with Ultimate Spider-man and was holding his own. Granted Ult Spider-man would have overpowered Ult Cap eventually in that scenario due to him being angry and scared for his Aunt's life but still Ult Cap matched a pretty consistent 10tonner in brute force which is far above Bane.
Ultimate Spider-Man was not a 10 tonner at that point, and the context definitely did matter - Ultimate Cap was trying to clarify to Peter what was happening, making Peter realize Aunt May was safe.
Been done,Cap wins due to the shield,LOL at Cap's physicals being superior to Bane's.
Ermmm Ultimate Cap's physicals are considerably higher than Bane's. The guy got into an brute force pushing match with Ultimate Spider-man and was holding his own. Granted Ult Spider-man would have overpowered Ult Cap eventually in that scenario due to him being angry and scared for his Aunt's life but still Ult Cap matched a pretty consistent 10tonner in brute force which is far above Bane.
I'm going to have to agree with entropy
Ult Cap is not true class 10 character... USAgent and Powerbrocker characters. These are class 10 characters. Ult Spiderman was holding back though the context of the story implies it, when they both get a shot at the Goblin. While UL Spiderman has shown he can literally throw cars sky high. Bane was picking huge boulders and throwing them like basket balls.
But my boy Ult Cap still wins. He's far to smart and skilled for Bane and his durability/damage soak is incredible and he's just as ruthless.
Been done,Cap wins due to the shield,LOL at Cap's physicals being superior to Bane's.
Ermmm Ultimate Cap's physicals are considerably higher than Bane's. The guy got into an brute force pushing match with Ultimate Spider-man and was holding his own. Granted Ult Spider-man would have overpowered Ult Cap eventually in that scenario due to him being angry and scared for his Aunt's life but still Ult Cap matched a pretty consistent 10tonner in brute force which is far above Bane.
Ultimate Spider-Man was not a 10 tonner at that point, and the context definitely did matter - Ultimate Cap was trying to clarify to Peter what was happening, making Peter realize Aunt May was safe.
Yeah Pete really didn't know what to do at first and was frozen like a statue at first. I don't think he really wanted to fight the Avengers. But once he knew who to actually fight this happened.
Out of order.
Notice Ult Cap's hits hurt the goblin and make his face go left and right even with his shield strike(And Ult Cap doesn't hold back). A pissed off Ult Spiderman flashed KO Goblin(as he was down for three panels) and sent him flying. Goblin literally had to be saved from Pete.
Feats can be PIS. Especially if we're talkin' about Captain America.
616 Captain Americas yes. Ultimate Cap suppose PIS cannot be PIS when they are Consistent. PIS refers to whats impossible and inconsistent. None which applies to the super human Ultimate Captain America.
PIS refers to bad writing.Bad writing applies to every character.
Been done,Cap wins due to the shield,LOL at Cap's physicals being superior to Bane's.
Ermmm Ultimate Cap's physicals are considerably higher than Bane's. The guy got into an brute force pushing match with Ultimate Spider-man and was holding his own. Granted Ult Spider-man would have overpowered Ult Cap eventually in that scenario due to him being angry and scared for his Aunt's life but still Ult Cap matched a pretty consistent 10tonner in brute force which is far above Bane.
Current Bane is approaching that level of strength,he shrugged off a punch from the multi ton Croc who was on venom no less fighting hordes of others also on venom and Bane was injured after being attacked by a dozen Talons,he even managed to casually own the Talon who was owning the Birds of Prey single handedly during that encounter.
With the shield Cap wins without it could go either way.
@entropy_aegis: Ultimate Cap has comfortably fought multiple tonners. His strength is around the 4-5 ton mark.
@entropy_aegis: Ultimate Cap has comfortably fought multiple tonners. His strength is around the 4-5 ton mark.
Bane's is higher then.
Feats can be PIS. Especially if we're talkin' about Captain America.
616 Captain Americas yes. Ultimate Cap suppose PIS cannot be PIS when they are Consistent. PIS refers to whats impossible and inconsistent. None which applies to the super human Ultimate Captain America.
PIS refers to bad writing.Bad writing applies to every character.
We determine PIS by two factors. Inconsistency level of feats, or outright mishandle of how something works.
Example A) Spider Man beating Fire Lord. Inconsistent with Peter's stats, thus PIS.
Example B) Ghost Rider failing to penance stare Flash Venom due to too many sins. This is not how his PS power works at all. Thus PIS.
How else would you determine PIS? Just because you said so? Is that how it works? Ultimate Cap has Consistently took down 100 toners with his striking feats. He is stated Super Human, but never was a limit of his Super Human levels been stated to cap at. He also has skill enough to strike areas that matter. All this points to nothing PIS.
You should know this by now.
@entropy_aegis: Ultimate Cap has comfortably fought multiple tonners. His strength is around the 4-5 ton mark.
Bane's is higher then.
How so? Ultimate Cap was able to lift a falling tree (which was partially rooted) that smashed into a Humvee. He has also beaten Kleisher who had is 100 tonner + durability. He has a plethora of superhuman feats. New-52 Bane is higher than 616 Cap, I don't see how he's on Ultimate Cap's level.
However, I do not accept Ultimate Cap's PIS feats such as one-shotting Juggernaut or surviving a grenade that has the blast power of an atom bomb.
@frozen: I believe Bane has been mentioned in being in the 5-10 ton range
Ultimate cap wins since we are limiting bane to just new 52 feats. He hasn't shown a lot of finesse in the new 52. If he had both feats it would be closer IMO but thats been done before.
Ermmm Ultimate Cap's physicals are considerably higher than Bane's. The guy got into an brute force pushing match with Ultimate Spider-man and was holding his own. Granted Ult Spider-man would have overpowered Ult Cap eventually in that scenario due to him being angry and scared for his Aunt's life but still Ult Cap matched a pretty consistent 10tonner in brute force which is far above Bane.
A lot of people have replied but according to hand books ultimate Peter parkers clones are 6 tonners IIRC (which would imply he is too but the only bio I have found for ultimate Peter doesn't list his strength...). I personally think he is 9-12 tons based on feats but ultimate cap stalemating him in a pushing contest doesn't necessarily make cap a 10 tonner. It could be a low showing for ultimate Peter. And then there is the fact that ultimate Peter parker was fatigued if I am not mistaken.
Granted ultimate cap is super human but I think ultimate Peter is honestly stronger.
@reaverlation: Ultimate Cap has feats that put him beyond 5 ton strength, but they are high-end showings.
However, I do not accept Ultimate Cap's PIS feats such as one-shotting Juggernaut or surviving a grenade that has the blast power of an atom bomb.
Wait what? He one shotted juggernaut twice. Which is consistent. And they both were head shots which make sense.
Also what atomic grenade? Cap took a Frag Grenade to the face, fell off the atomic rocket about a miles, and then was hit by the shockwave of the Atomic Blast into the ocean. Nothing PIS as your making it sound. It KOed him totally.
However, I do not accept Ultimate Cap's PIS feats such as one-shotting Juggernaut or surviving a grenade that has the blast power of an atom bomb.
Wait what? He one shotted juggernaut twice. Which is consistent. And they both were head shots which make sense.
Also what atomic grenade? Cap too a Frag Grenade to the face, fell off the atomic rocket about a miles, and then was hit by the shockwave of the Atomic Blast into the ocean. Nothing PIS as your making it sound. It KOed him totally.
@indiecomicsftw: Being consistent doesn't mean it isn't PIS
@indiecomicsftw: Being consistent doesn't mean it isn't PIS
Yeah, it kinda makes it legit. as long it matches up to the stats and logic, which it does as well :/ So..... its clearly PIS.
However, I do not accept Ultimate Cap's PIS feats such as one-shotting Juggernaut or surviving a grenade that has the blast power of an atom bomb.
Wait what? He one shotted juggernaut twice. Which is consistent. And they both were head shots which make sense.
Also what atomic grenade? Cap too a Frag Grenade to the face, fell off the atomic rocket about a miles, and then was hit by the shockwave of the Atomic Blast into the ocean. Nothing PIS as your making it sound. It KOed him totally.
In the first instance, he kicked him in the head through a brick wall. KOed Ultimate juggs who is only as powerful as a Depowered 616 Juggs anyway.
Second insatnce Cap did KO Juggs with a Head shot with his Shield. legit again.
Steve Durability and Healing Factor combo tanks Ultimate Hulk blows with minimum damage. As well withstand the Insane strength of Power Princess, Warmachine, and Juggernaut.
Your point?
@indiecomicsftw: see if it matches with stats and logic.If it happens consistently and doesn't make sense,it's still PIS for example Batman KOing Cheetah 3 times which is ridiculous
@indiecomicsftw: see if it matches with stats and logic.If it happens consistently and doesn't make sense,it's still PIS for example Batman KOing Cheetah 3 times which is ridiculous
Not exactly. We know batman punching out cheetah is PIS because when we look at what batman has done in a majority of his showings and what cheetah has done in a majority of her showings we can determine batman shouldn't be able to punch her out. Just because something has happened more than twice doesn't make it consistent.
@indiecomicsftw@frozen was that missile ever stated to be a nuke?
@jashro44: That's what I said...
@indiecomicsftw: see if it matches with stats and logic.If it happens consistently and doesn't make sense,it's still PIS for example Batman KOing Cheetah 3 times which is ridiculous
Not exactly. We know batman punching out cheetah is PIS because when we look at what batman has done in a majority of his showings and what cheetah has done in a majority of her showings we can determine batman shouldn't be able to punch her out. Just because something has happened more than twice doesn't make it consistent.
@indiecomicsftw@frozen was that missile ever stated to be a nuke?
Yes, it was the first Atomic Bomb, and Caps last mission was to destroy it before it reached Washington.
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