#1 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Who wins?

#2 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

yah i just dont see ultimate cap beating deathstroke.

#3 Posted by Gottheit (3473 posts) - - Show Bio

What's the gear Deathstroke has? Everything?

#4 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Assimilation2 says:

"Deathstroke bets Captain america. Deathstroke has a healing factor to rival wolverines."

But Deathstroke, had a tough time with Batman and Bronze Tiger even though neither man could stop him. Ultimate Cap is far tougher than either of those men. And he can fight!

#5 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

POHOCOM says:

"Assimilation2 says:
"Deathstroke bets Captain america. Deathstroke has a healing factor to rival wolverines."
But Deathstroke, had a tough time with Batman and Bronze Tiger even though neither man could stop him. Ultimate Cap is far tougher than either of those men. And he can fight! "

deathstroke's crushed batman in one on one fights before.

#6 Posted by Assimilation2 (736 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke bets Captain america. Deathstroke has a healing factor to rival wolverines.

#7 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

ive seen ultimate cap but i dont think he's stronger and more durable than wonder girl, starfire and cyborg, who deathstroke has fought at the same time before.

#8 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"POHOCOM says:
"Assimilation2 says:
"Deathstroke bets Captain america. Deathstroke has a healing factor to rival wolverines."
But Deathstroke, had a tough time with Batman and Bronze Tiger even though neither man could stop him. Ultimate Cap is far tougher than either of those men. And he can fight! "

deathstroke's crushed batman in one on one fights before."

That's right, but Batman gave a good fight. Have U seen Ultimate Cap in action? He is far stronger and more durable than anything Deathstroke has beaten.

#9 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84698 posts) - - Show Bio

POHOCOM says:

"That's right, but Batman gave a good fight. Have U seen Ultimate Cap in action? He is far stronger and more durable than anything Deathstroke has beaten."

Is Ultimate Cap still only Peak Human? If so then he's weaker and less durable then Deathtroke. Not to mention slower and Deathstroke has a slight healing factor. He may not have defeated Wonder Woman, but he has taking shots from her and kept going. Fast enough to react to Kid Flash and Impulse, skilled enough to defeat Batman (a master of all forms of martial arts) when he was without his powers. He's defeated Starfire, who is faster, stronger, and more durable then Ult. Cap. Nope, Deathstroke is walking away with this one.
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#10 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparition says:

"ive seen ultimate cap but i dont think he's stronger and more durable than wonder girl, starfire and cyborg, who deathstroke has fought at the same time before."

Probably not, but he's a better fighter. I'm not saying he would win. I'm not sure. I just keep thinking about normal humans who have given Slade a decent fight one on one. I think Ultimate Cap would have beaten them easier. Doesn't mean he beats Slade, but its something to think about.

#11 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84698 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice, maybe he could pull something off.

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#12 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"POHOCOM says:
" That's right, but Batman gave a good fight. Have U seen Ultimate Cap in action? He is far stronger and more durable than anything Deathstroke has beaten."
Is Ultimate Cap still only Peak Human? If so then he's weaker and less durable then Deathtroke. Not to mention slower and Deathstroke has a slight healing factor. He may not have defeated Wonder Woman, but he has taking shots from her and kept going. Fast enough to react to Kid Flash and Impulse, skilled enough to defeat Batman (a master of all forms of martial arts) when he was without his powers. He's defeated Starfire, who is faster, stronger, and more durable then Ult. Cap. Nope, Deathstroke is walking away with this one.
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ucap lifts at least five tons. he's a bit more enhanced than cap.

#13 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

POHOCOM says:

"Apparition says:
"ive seen ultimate cap but i dont think he's stronger and more durable than wonder girl, starfire and cyborg, who deathstroke has fought at the same time before."
Probably not, but he's a better fighter. I'm not saying he would win. I'm not sure. I just keep thinking about normal humans who have given Slade a decent fight one on one. I think Ultimate Cap would have beaten them easier. Doesn't mean he beats Slade, but its something to think about."

i wouldnt guess he was a better fighter either. i'm not sure he's better than regular cap, but gambler just listed all the reasons i think slade would win. but youre right it might be a tough fight.

#14 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler, he's abusing that scan again...

#15 Posted by ulitmateninjagaidenx (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

i thank ultimate captain america can take em.

#16 Posted by Midnight Lantern (6011 posts) - - Show Bio

#17 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84698 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"Gambler, he's abusing that scan again... "

I know. He's gonna make me hate Deathstroke all together.

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#18 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

ulitmateninjagaidenx says:

"i thank ultimate captain america can take em."

i doubt it.

#19 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap would hold his own. The healing factor probably tips it in Deathstroke's favor, but only slightly.

#20 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Ult Cap has this fight. This guy stood toe to toe with Ult Hulk. He's fought opponents with healing factors (Ult Wolverine). He's not above fighting dirty or using firearms.

#21 Posted by Midnight Lantern (6011 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"Static Shock says:
"Gambler, he's abusing that scan again... "
I know. He's gonna make me hate Deathstroke all together. "

Wha?

#22 Posted by DRDOOMSDAY390 (1268 posts) - - Show Bio

<img src="http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r7/aqua10/captain_america-1.jpg" border="0" alt="captain america">Captain America has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum and vita-ray treatment, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America's strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, and durability are at the highest limits of natural human potential. Captain America's strength was further enhanced for a time after receiving The Viper's poison and antidote in Captain America #157-158, but the effects were only temporary. It has been established that Rogers' body regularly creates the super-soldier serum; it does not wear off.)))

(((The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including bench pressing 1100 pounds (500kg) , running a mile (1.6 km) in little more than a minute.[69] Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Rogers is also unable to become intoxicated by alcohol and is immune to many diseases, as he also heals faster than normal.)))

Mentally, Rogers' battle experience and training make him an expert tactician and an excellent field commander, with his teammates frequently deferring to his orders in battle. Rogers' reflexes and senses are also extraordinarily keen. He is a master of multiple martial arts, including boxing, jujutsu, aikido, and judo, combined with his gymnastic ability into his own unique fighting style with advanced pressure-point fighting. Years of practice with his indestructible shield make it practically an extension of his own body, and he is able to aim and throw it with almost unerring accuracy. His skill with his shield is such that he can attack multiple targets in succession with a single throw by use of ricochets, or even cause a boomerang-like return from a throw to attack an enemy from behind. He is extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat, sometimes taking on and defeating foes whose strength, size, or other powers greatly exceed his own. In the comics, he is regarded by other skilled fighters as one of the best hand-to-hand combatants in the Marvel Universe)))

(((Rogers has vast U.S. military knowledge and is often shown to be familiar with ongoing, highly-classified Defense Department operations. He is an expert in combat strategy, survival, acrobatics, military strategy, piloting, and demolitions. Despite his high profile as one of the world's most popular and recognizable superheroes, Rogers also has a broad understanding of the espionage community, largely through his ongoing relationship with S.H.I.E.L.D. He occasionally makes forays into mundane career fields, including commercial arts, comic book artistry, education (high school history) and law enforcement)))

((( ULTIMATE CAP AMERICA TAKES THE WIN)))

#23 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

DRDOOMSDAY-360 says:

"ptain america">Captain America has no superhuman powers, although as a result of the Super-Soldier serum and vita-ray treatment, he is transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America's strength, endurance, agility, speed, reflexes, and durability are at the highest limits of natural human potential. Captain America's strength was further enhanced for a time after receiving The Viper's poison and antidote in Captain America #157-158, but the effects were only temporary. It has been established that Rogers' body regularly creates the super-soldier serum; it does not wear off.))) (((The formula enhances all of his metabolic functions and prevents the build-up of fatigue poisons in his muscles, giving him endurance far in excess of an ordinary human being. This accounts for many of his extraordinary feats, including bench pressing 1100 pounds (500kg) , running a mile (1.6 km) in little more than a minute.[69] Furthermore, his enhancements are the reason why he was able to survive being frozen in suspended animation for decades. Rogers is also unable to become intoxicated by alcohol and is immune to many diseases, as he also heals faster than normal.))) Mentally, Rogers' battle experience and training make him an expert tactician and an excellent field commander, with his teammates frequently deferring to his orders in battle. Rogers' reflexes and senses are also extraordinarily keen. He is a master of multiple martial arts, including boxing, jujutsu, aikido, and judo, combined with his gymnastic ability into his own unique fighting style with advanced pressure-point fighting. Years of practice with his indestructible shield make it practically an extension of his own body, and he is able to aim and throw it with almost unerring accuracy. His skill with his shield is such that he can attack multiple targets in succession with a single throw by use of ricochets, or even cause a boomerang-like return from a throw to attack an enemy from behind. He is extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat, sometimes taking on and defeating foes whose strength, size, or other powers greatly exceed his own. In the comics, he is regarded by other skilled fighters as one of the best hand-to-hand combatants in the Marvel Universe))) (((Rogers has vast U.S. military knowledge and is often shown to be familiar with ongoing, highly-classified Defense Department operations. He is an expert in combat strategy, survival, acrobatics, military strategy, piloting, and demolitions. Despite his high profile as one of the world's most popular and recognizable superheroes, Rogers also has a broad understanding of the espionage community, largely through his ongoing relationship with S.H.I.E.L.D. He occasionally makes forays into mundane career fields, including commercial arts, comic book artistry, education (high school history) and law enforcement))) ((( ULTIMATE CAP AMERICA TAKES THE WIN)))"

you put up the information for the regular captain america, not the ultimate universe captain america!

#24 Posted by DRDOOMSDAY390 (1268 posts) - - Show Bio

((( MY BAD))) Captain America (Ultimate)

Universe

Ultimate Universe

Real Name

Steve Rogers

Aliases

None

Identity

Publicly known

Occupation

Soldier, U.S. government super-operative

Citizenship

U.S.A.

Place of Birth

Brooklyn, New York

Known Relatives

Joseph Harvey Rogers (father, deceased), Sarah Alicia Rogers (mother, deceased), Douglas Lincoln Rogers (brother, deceased), unnamed nephew (deceased), unnamed niece, unnamed nephew-in-law

Group Affiliation

Ultimates; formerly U.S. Armed Forces

Education

Unrevealed

Height

6'3"

Weight

250 lbs.

Eyes

Blue

Hair

Blond

Powers

Captain America has enhanced strength, speed, endurance, agility and regenerative capacity; even severe injuries heal in days.

Abilities

A tactical and strategic genius, Captain America has mastered numerous fighting forms and weapons, and can operate most standard military vehicles.

Weapons

Captain America carries a metallic, round shield forged of pure Adamantium, rendering it bulletproof and highly resistant to most forms of damage.

Paraphernalia

Captain America's costume is made of bulletproof Kevlar

First Appearance

Ultimates #1 (2002)

Significant Issues

led attack on Nazi base, frozen, revived in modern day (Ultimates #1-3, 2002), fought Chitauri (Ultimates #10-13, 2002-2004)

(((Steve Rogers grew up in Brooklyn, a scrawny kid protected from neighborhood bullies by his best friend “Bucky” Barnes. Enlisting around the time the United States entered World War II, Steve voluntarily underwent six months of steroids, surgery, and other experimental treatments supervised by Dr. Erskine, becoming the world’s first genetically-enhanced super-soldier. The authorities seemed unable to replicate the process thereafter. Clad in stars-and-strips military fatigues, he became “Captain America“, his image used to bolster Allied recruiting.

Over the next three years Captain America undertook numerous covert operations, often accompanied by Bucky, now a war photographer, and sometimes alongside Canadian “Lucky” Jim Howlett, who would later become the X-Men Wolverine. In Poland in 1944, he battled Kleiser, one of the Nazi’s secret extraterrestrial Chitauri masters, blowing up a train delivering parts for a super weapon. A year later, he led an assault on an Icelandic base where the Nazis were launching a prototype nuclear bomb at the White House. As the rocket launched, he climbed aboard and wrecked its guidance system, causing it to explode seconds later. Though believed dead, Steve was thrown clear into the icy Arctic Ocean. Rather than dying, he seemingly fell into suspended animation and was found decades later by a team of marine biologists.)))

(((Steve awoke in a S.H.I.E.L.D facility, and was soon appointed leader of Ultimates, America’s new superhuman strike force. Struggling to adjust to 21st century life, he helped subdue the rampaging Hulk and attempted to recruit Hawk-Owl, coming to blows with the Chicago vigilante. After teammate Giant Man abused and nearly killed his wife, the Wasp, Steve tracked him down and hospitalized him. When the Chitauri resurfaced, Steve led a successful counterattack during which he duped the Hulk into slaying Kleiser. Soon after this mission, he and the Wasp became a couple.)))

(((Captain America has led the Ultimates against the Brotherhood of Mutants, the X-Men, and Norman Osborn‘s group of failed attempts to reproduce the super-soldier process, known as the “Six”. On a Tunguska expedition he learned of a Soviet super-soldier project and fought a man who claimed to be his Russian counterpart. When his former teammate Thor seemingly betrayed the Ultimates, Steve angrily confronted Thor, and later led the team in capturing him. Recently, Captain America was instrumental in the Ultimates forcibly stripping a Middle Eastern country of its nuclear arsenal.

Retrieved)))

#25 Posted by lordraiden (7417 posts) - - Show Bio

POHOCOM says:

"Assimilation2 says:
"Deathstroke bets Captain america. Deathstroke has a healing factor to rival wolverines."
But Deathstroke, had a tough time with Batman and Bronze Tiger even though neither man could stop him. Ultimate Cap is far tougher than either of those men. And he can fight! "

Deathstroke has never had a prob with batman and batman's only ever ended up on the floor when he goes up against DS!

#26 Posted by lordraiden (7417 posts) - - Show Bio

What's the diff between ultimate cap and regular cap as far as powers go? they both recieved the supersoldier serum and both were revived decades later! am I missing sumthing?

#27 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"What's the diff between ultimate cap and regular cap as far as powers go? they both recieved the supersoldier serum and both were revived decades later! am I missing sumthing?"

Ultimate Cap is stronger. And, I think he has better abilities than the 616 version.

#28 Posted by lordraiden (7417 posts) - - Show Bio

Static Shock says:

"lordraiden says:
"What's the diff between ultimate cap and regular cap as far as powers go? they both recieved the supersoldier serum and both were revived decades later! am I missing sumthing?"
Ultimate Cap is stronger. And, I think he has better abilities than the 616 version."

Stronger how? is that actually stated or just perceived to be stronger through showings? are their origins the same? cause if they are, then they're the same, but just act and do things differently, ie Ultimate Cap is more ruthless and would do things 616 Cap wouldn't, which wouldn't make him stronger! I'm not that clued up on ultimate Cap outside of reading some of the ultimates first series, so just trying to work out the difference outside of looks and attitude!

#29 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"Static Shock says:
"lordraiden says:
"What's the diff between ultimate cap and regular cap as far as powers go? they both recieved the supersoldier serum and both were revived decades later! am I missing sumthing?"
Ultimate Cap is stronger. And, I think he has better abilities than the 616 version."
Stronger how? is that actually stated or just perceived to be stronger through showings? are their origins the same? cause if they are, then they're the same, but just act and do things differently, ie Ultimate Cap is more ruthless and would do things 616 Cap wouldn't, which wouldn't make him stronger! I'm not that clued up on ultimate Cap outside of reading some of the ultimates first series, so just trying to work out the difference outside of looks and attitude!"

He's stronger. His blows can effect Ult Hulk and he can take direct blows from much stronger opponents. He's more deadlier than his 616 counterpart. He will use fireamrs and will fight dirty. He heals faster, more agile and has much quicker reflexes.

#30 Posted by POHOCOM (807 posts) - - Show Bio

lordraiden says:

"POHOCOM says:
"Assimilation2 says:
"Deathstroke bets Captain america. Deathstroke has a healing factor to rival wolverines."
But Deathstroke, had a tough time with Batman and Bronze Tiger even though neither man could stop him. Ultimate Cap is far tougher than either of those men. And he can fight! "

Deathstroke has never had a prob with batman and batman's only ever ended up on the floor when he goes up against DS!"

Deathstroke never had a problem with Nightwing who he's frequently beaten in one or two panels. But his fight with Batman was much longer, and he was clearly hurt by Batman even though Slade clearly won.

#31 Posted by SlimJ87D (10349 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump. I'm leaning more towards Ultimate Captain America.

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#32 Posted by MyronLee26 (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

Im gonna be a bit biased on this, but im going with Deathstroke because I hate the Ultimate version of Cap. LOL

#33 Posted by SlimJ87D (10349 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26: Lol. Well if it's hard to choose between Deathstroke and 616 Cap then imagine this. Ultimate Cap can grapple and push Ultimate Spider-man to a stand still and has a healing factor that can heal bullet wounds and knives in a few hours.

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#34 Posted by yumyumbubblegum (618 posts) - - Show Bio

This guy

#35 Posted by MyronLee26 (1092 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

@MyronLee26: Lol. Well if it's hard to choose between Deathstroke and 616 Cap then imagine this. Ultimate Cap can grapple and push Ultimate Spider-man to a stand still and has a healing factor that can heal bullet wounds and knives in a few hours.

True, considering that some of ULT Cap's physical attributes are superhuman.

But UGH, I would like to see Deathstroke win this one. Lol

#36 Posted by sandiego008 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

I am going w/ ult captain america here ... DS would have trouble with normal capt. Ultimate capt will tilt the win to capt for the win in a very tough battle.

#37 Posted by emperorznb (1673 posts) - - Show Bio

@MyronLee26 said:

Im gonna be a bit biased on this, but im going with Deathstroke because I hate the Ultimate version of Cap. LOL

Yup... I also kinda hate the ultimate version of Captain America... he's much more aggressive and has lost some of his morales.

#38 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio

@emperorznb said:

@MyronLee26 said:

Im gonna be a bit biased on this, but im going with Deathstroke because I hate the Ultimate version of Cap. LOL

Yup... I also kinda hate the ultimate version of Captain America... he's much more aggressive and has lost some of his morales.

You cannot lose something you never had. He was always a tough SOB in the Ultimate Universe.

#39 Posted by AtraCruor (237 posts) - - Show Bio
@emperorznb
The difference I see in Ult. Cap to Reg is that he's a soldier first and foremost, instead of a hero.  And personally that makes him better and much more what he should be.   
 
As for the fight, I think it can go either way, but I lean towards Cap.  Though I do need to bring up something about Deathstroke that people need to remember.  One: he wear Prometheum armor, which is DC's adamantium, so he has insane defense.  To taking down speedsters, he's able to think and react as he thinks of what to do, which Ult Cap's been pretty much ampted to do, and also they're predicatble to him.  The fact that Slade is able to plan and react so well, as well as the gear he is equipped with is what gives him much of his edge but the way Ult Caps seemed to be, he's become like Deathstroke with his SSS, so it can go either way.
#40 Posted by SlimJ87D (10349 posts) - - Show Bio

@AtraCruor: Ultimate Captain America's armor is suppose to have a vibranium chest plate supposedly.

Deathstroke's ability to tag speedsters is obvious PIS to the max. For what ever reason when the Flashes fought him, they forgot to speed up their reflexes and brain? Technically, anything Deathstroke does should be in slow motion or just as a statue. Deathstroke tagging speedsters is not a feat because it's obvious PIS. Just saying.

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#41 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Ult Cap, because he's ridiculous. And awesome.

#42 Posted by The_Mayhem_Theory (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

Ult Cap, because he's ridiculous. And awesome.

Any version of Cap can beat any version of D-Stroke.

>_>

<_<

#43 Posted by Azrael66 (277 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap is like a five tonner. Deathstroke would take normal Cap but he would not take Ultimate.

#44 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap.

#46 Posted by jashro44 (22894 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate captain america did nothing to the hulk.

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#47 Posted by k4tzm4n (49125 posts) - - Show Bio

@texasdeathmatch said:

Ult Cap, because he's ridiculous. And awesome.

lol

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#48 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:

@texasdeathmatch said:

Ult Cap, because he's ridiculous. And awesome.

lol

haha oh, old 5 months ago me.
#49 Posted by k4tzm4n (49125 posts) - - Show Bio

It's true, though. Ult Cap exudes both awesomeness and ridiculousness.

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#50 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Yeah he did. He put him on his but long enough to nearly inject the serium, more than Thor, Giantman, or ironman were capable of.