#51 Posted by spidermanandsuperman (283 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap

#52 Posted by jashro44 (20817 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18 said:

@jashro44: thats not explaining it at all batman fought bane sometimes with prep sometimes without he fought grundy no prep physical is not a winning argument whats imo ?

  1. Bane isn't any where near ultimate captain americas physicals. This version of cap has knocked out ultimate juggernaut in one hit, taken hits from hulk and abomination, has taken down the ultimate avengers by himself. Beating bane isn't enough
  2. Grundy is inconsistent. Some comics he is a justice league threat and in others he is getting smacked around by wildcat. It depends on the version of grundy.
  3. Ultimate caps physical edge are huge. It will be like fighting deathstroke or Azrael or Bane with his new 52 levels of venom.
  4. IMO is short for in my opinion.
#53 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@patrat18 said:

@jashro44: thats not explaining it at all batman fought bane sometimes with prep sometimes without he fought grundy no prep physical is not a winning argument whats imo ?

  1. Bane isn't any where near ultimate captain americas physicals. This version of cap has knocked out ultimate juggernaut in one hit, taken hits from hulk and abomination, has taken down the ultimate avengers by himself. Beating bane isn't enough
  2. Grundy is inconsistent. Some comics he is a justice league threat and in others he is getting smacked around by wildcat. It depends on the version of grundy.
  3. Ultimate caps physical edge are huge. It will be like fighting deathstroke or Azrael or Bane with his new 52 levels of venom.
  4. IMO is short for in my opinion.

Ultimate Cap also has no morals in Killing another person and kills alot of people. He also uses Guns and Grenades alot.

Ultimate Cap Stomps this.

#54 Posted by jashro44 (20817 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@patrat18 said:

@jashro44: thats not explaining it at all batman fought bane sometimes with prep sometimes without he fought grundy no prep physical is not a winning argument whats imo ?

  1. Bane isn't any where near ultimate captain americas physicals. This version of cap has knocked out ultimate juggernaut in one hit, taken hits from hulk and abomination, has taken down the ultimate avengers by himself. Beating bane isn't enough
  2. Grundy is inconsistent. Some comics he is a justice league threat and in others he is getting smacked around by wildcat. It depends on the version of grundy.
  3. Ultimate caps physical edge are huge. It will be like fighting deathstroke or Azrael or Bane with his new 52 levels of venom.
  4. IMO is short for in my opinion.

Ultimate Cap also has no morals in Killing another person and kills alot of people. He also uses Guns and Grenades alot.

Ultimate Cap Stomps this.

True.

#55 Posted by Underwaterbimbos (11 posts) - - Show Bio

So based off of this from that comic vine battle ultimate cap vs death stroke, batman would get his ass obliterated by death stroke?

#56 Edited by Royal_Rumble_Man (513 posts) - - Show Bio
#57 Posted by Tony_Shark (469 posts) - - Show Bio

Ult. Cap wins.

The fact that he took on the entire Ultimate Avengers by himself (granted he got caught on purpose) is a feat of its own class. He made it look WAY too easy.

#58 Posted by jashro44 (20817 posts) - - Show Bio

So based off of this from that comic vine battle ultimate cap vs death stroke, batman would get his ass obliterated by death stroke?

With his pre and post 52 feats along with his Nth metal armor to boot yes batman wouldn't have a chance.

#59 Posted by bobius (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Come on you guys. Batman will just fly over cap every time he tries to bum rush bat.

#60 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@bobius said:

Come on you guys. Batman will just fly over cap every time he tries to bum rush bat.

Ultimate Cap once cut the head off of Assemble. A beast robot with the powers of Hulk, Thor, Cap, and Giant Man. After you know, Jean, Rogue with Juggernaut Powers, and Iceman failed to beat it.

Batman jumps, he gets cut in half.

#61 Posted by nick_hero22 (6835 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Captain America wins

#62 Edited by Diamondlifer1 (128 posts) - - Show Bio

cap beats batman to a bloody pulp

#63 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Ult. Cap wins.

The fact that he took on the entire Ultimate Avengers by himself (granted he got caught on purpose) is a feat of its own class. He made it look WAY too easy.

That feat's even greater when you realize that they were secretly tailing him, and that he had zero prep and knowledge against the entire team (only member he knew before was Hawkeye).

#64 Posted by Avilon (118 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman has been known to take out super heroes and villains that have been a lot stronger then him and stronger than ult. Cap for that matter. ie. Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Darkside, ex. So Cap's superior strength is a factor but not as big a one as made out to be; granted if Cap landed the proper blow he could kill Bats. But however this is not going to a straight fist fight for that matter. Cap has his shield and whatever firearms he usually carries, which would be a pistol. His pistol is ineffective largely because Batman is bullet proof and has been known to dodge multiple bullets fired at point blank range. That leaves CAp with the only effective weapon as his shield. If bat is smart the battle will probably result in a mid-rage fight with some close hand to hand skirmishes. Bats on the other hand has his utility belt. If batman is able to disarm Caps of his shield ie. when he throws it at him with a batterang or cable that leaves cap momentarily unarmed effectively for a mid range fight. All Batts would have to do is use knock out gas and while Cap is temporarily impaired use his freeze pellets to disable Caps.

#65 Edited by patrat18 (9578 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: batman beat the hulk batman for the win he has beaten powerhouses without prep grundy

#66 Posted by ComicStooge (12564 posts) - - Show Bio

@avilon said:

Batman has been known to take out super heroes and villains that have been a lot stronger then him and stronger than ult. Cap for that matter. ie. Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Darkside, ex. So Cap's superior strength is a factor but not as big a one as made out to be; granted if Cap landed the proper blow he could kill Bats. But however this is not going to a straight fist fight for that matter. Cap has his shield and whatever firearms he usually carries, which would be a pistol. His pistol is ineffective largely because Batman is bullet proof and has been known to dodge multiple bullets fired at point blank range. That leaves CAp with the only effective weapon as his shield. If bat is smart the battle will probably result in a mid-rage fight with some close hand to hand skirmishes. Bats on the other hand has his utility belt. If batman is able to disarm Caps of his shield ie. when he throws it at him with a batterang or cable that leaves cap momentarily unarmed effectively for a mid range fight. All Batts would have to do is use knock out gas and while Cap is temporarily impaired use his freeze pellets to disable Caps.

Gas doesn't work on Ultimate Captain America.

#67 Edited by Strider92 (16290 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Captain America would stomp.

#68 Edited by laflux (15417 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2

Ultimate Captain America would stomp.

I don't get it. People see CaV's with Ult Cap America vs High end Street-Levelers like Spider-Man, Scarlet Spider, Black Tarantula, Deathstroke in Nth Metal Armor and still pair him with Batman in a random......

#69 Posted by Strider92 (16290 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Probably because they don't know the difference between Ult Cap and 616 Cap

#70 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@cadencev2

@strider92 said:

Ultimate Captain America would stomp.

I don't get it. People see CaV's with Ult Cap America vs High end Street-Levelers like Spider-Man, Scarlet Spider, Black Tarantula, Deathstroke in Nth Metal Armor and still pair him with Batman in a random......

Look at the posters who are posting.

Batman has been known to take out super heroes and villains that have been a lot stronger then him and stronger than ult. Cap for that matter. ie. Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Darkside, ex. So Cap's superior strength is a factor but not as big a one as made out to be; granted if Cap landed the proper blow he could kill Bats. But however this is not going to a straight fist fight for that matter. Cap has his shield and whatever firearms he usually carries, which would be a pistol. His pistol is ineffective largely because Batman is bullet proof and has been known to dodge multiple bullets fired at point blank range. That leaves CAp with the only effective weapon as his shield. If bat is smart the battle will probably result in a mid-rage fight with some close hand to hand skirmishes. Bats on the other hand has his utility belt. If batman is able to disarm Caps of his shield ie. when he throws it at him with a batterang or cable that leaves cap momentarily unarmed effectively for a mid range fight. All Batts would have to do is use knock out gas and while Cap is temporarily impaired use his freeze pellets to disable Caps.

batman beat the hulk batman for the win he has beaten powerhouses without prep grundy

See how silly these posts are. They are full of Non Canon and Plot Induce Stupidity.

The people on here who think Batman win just prove they do not know any better. lol

#71 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
#72 Edited by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@god_spawn @vance_astro @deranged_midget Can one of you guys lock this? It seems 90% agree how this ends.

Is it a dupe? We don't lock threads because people agree on the outcome unless it goes on for too many pages with no real argument being made for any side, we lock mismatches. This isn't one though.

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#73 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5019 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap curbstomps and this should be locked.

#74 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@god_spawn @vance_astro @deranged_midget Can one of you guys lock this? It seems 90% agree how this ends.

Is it a dupe? We don't lock threads because people agree on the outcome unless it goes on for too many pages with no real argument being made for any side, we lock mismatches. This isn't one though.

You do not think it is a mismatch?!

I do. Let it ride.

#75 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

You do not think it is a mismatch?!

I do. Let it ride.

No....

@lone_wolf_and_cub said:

Ultimate Cap curbstomps and this should be locked.

And no it shouldn't.

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#76 Edited by Avilon (118 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge: No it would not knock out Caps. the point I was trying to make is an impairing agent being employed before the knock out to increase the probability of its success. But here is a better question. Is caps vibranium shield electrically conductive? I think it is and if so wouldn't I high powered electrical charge say from one of Bats teasers work on him electrically causing his muscles to lock out from the shock? Also it should be noted that this entire Q & A is a hypothetical. Secondly both parties involved are master strategist so it would partially be a chest match. Thirdly there are a lot of unknown in this battle. Fourthly Caps real advantage only lies within his physical prowis over batman in a hand to hand fight. Batman has the advantage in stealth, illusion, unique resources, and maybe more experience in fighting technique and experience. So logically Batman and Captain America are going to try and play to their strengths. the real question is who can play to their strengths and do it effectively. I believe that Batman has more options in this field and that's why ultimately he would probably win.

#77 Posted by acer51 (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap is just a better version of 616 Cap who is at least equal to batman as far as combat abilities.

So Ultimate Cap would win.

#78 Posted by jashro44 (20817 posts) - - Show Bio

@avilon said:

@comicstooge: No it would not knock out Caps. the point I was trying to make is an impairing agent being employed before the knock out to increase the probability of its success. But here is a better question. Is caps vibranium shield electrically conductive? I think it is and if so wouldn't I high powered electrical charge say from one of Bats teasers work on him electrically causing his muscles to lock out from the shock? Also it should be noted that this entire Q & A is a hypothetical. Secondly both parties involved are master strategist so it would partially be a chest match. Thirdly there are a lot of unknown in this battle. Fourthly Caps real advantage only lies within his physical prowis over batman in a hand to hand fight. Batman has the advantage in stealth, illusion, unique resources, and maybe more experience in fighting technique and experience. So logically Batman and Captain America are going to try and play to their strengths. the real question is who can play to their strengths and do it effectively. I believe that Batman has more options in this field and that's why ultimately he would probably win.

His shield isn't conductive. Ultimate cap is going to close the gap on batman quickly as he is faster and batman prefers melee combat anyways.

#79 Posted by Herald417 (117 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51 said:

Ultimate Cap is just a better version of 616 Cap who is at least equal to batman as far as combat abilities.

So Ultimate Cap would win.

Completely true I really don't understand why this is up for debate

#80 Edited by BWANASIMBA (353 posts) - - Show Bio
@underwaterbimbos said:

So based off of this from that comic vine battle ultimate cap vs death stroke, batman would get his ass obliterated by death stroke?

Yes. In fact, Deathstroke has beaten the crap out of Batman several times. The only time Batman ever beat Slade was when he ganged up on him during the middle of a massive street fight between countless heroes and villains with his sidekicks and the author conveniently forgot about Slade's healing factor... which is something Geoff Johns did a lot with Deathstroke actually.

Oh, and Ultimate Cap wins pretty easily in a straight up fight.

#81 Edited by jumpstart55 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wouldnt get stomped well not right away atleast, he would mange to hold his own for a while until Ultimate Cap manged to over power him. Much like his fights with Deathstroke. And about that feat of 1610 Cap punching the Hulk,I find myself to be less impressed by Cap making the Hulk bleed,and to be more unimpressed by the Hulk, I mean what kind of durability does the Ultimate Hulk have(whose supposed to be well over a class 100) that he'd allow himself to be made bled by a Class 2 tonner.

#82 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wouldnt get stomped well not right away atleast, he would mange to hold his own for a while until Ultimate Cap manged to over power him. Much like his fights with Deathstroke. And about that feat of 1610 Cap punching the Hulk,I find myself to be less impressed by Cap making the Hulk bleed,and to be more unimpressed by the Hulk, I mean what kind of durability does the Ultimate Hulk have(whose supposed to be well over a class 100) that he'd allow himself to be made bled by a Class 2 tonner.

Hulk has Nuke Missile Durability.

His Durability is so awesome, he has survived one Megaton Bomb, and then Punched a Nuclear Missile!

Cap knocked this guy on his butt and with no counter for a solid 5-6 seconds.

That is impressive for Cap. Plus Cap KO Juggs twice to boot.

The Hulk feat stands.

#83 Posted by jumpstart55 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: If he can survive Nukes why is Ultimate Captain America able to make him bleed? Sounds like PIS to me.

#84 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: If he can survive Nukes why is Ultimate Captain America able to make him bleed? Sounds like PIS to me.

#85 Posted by jwalser3 (4900 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk has Nuke Missile Durability.

His Durability is so awesome, he has survived one Megaton Bomb, and then Punched a Nuclear Missile!

Cap knocked this guy on his butt and with no counter for a solid 5-6 seconds.

That is impressive for Cap. Plus Cap KO Juggs twice to boot.

Not PIS in the slightest. Ult. Cap might as well be able to take on a majority of heavy hitters.

It's like the whole 616 Cap one shotting Rhino. Bullsh!t

#86 Posted by jumpstart55 (2276 posts) - - Show Bio
#87 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

Hulk has Nuke Missile Durability.

His Durability is so awesome, he has survived one Megaton Bomb, and then Punched a Nuclear Missile!

Cap knocked this guy on his butt and with no counter for a solid 5-6 seconds.

That is impressive for Cap. Plus Cap KO Juggs twice to boot.

Not PIS in the slightest. Ult. Cap might as well be able to take on a majority of heavy hitters.

It's like the whole 616 Cap one shotting Rhino. Bullsh!t

Except Ultimate Cap has clear superior Strength by a large margine and has many 100+ toner koing consitent feats.

Many people forget this is "ULTIMATE" Captain America. Not Captain America.

#88 Posted by patrat18 (9578 posts) - - Show Bio
#90 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18 said:

@cadencev2: batman beat amazo

1. He had help from Nightwing.

2. It was a prototype Amazo, a stripped-down variant

3. He basically BFRed it with the Batmobile.

Just putting that feat into context.

#91 Posted by NathanGrimaud (3 posts) - - Show Bio

How the hell does batman win? He has absolutely no powers at all, he only has technology and fighting skills, ultimate cap would crush him. No questions asked.

#92 Posted by dondave (36580 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Captain America ftw

#93 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark said:

@patrat18 said:

@cadencev2: batman beat amazo

1. He had help from Nightwing.

2. It was a prototype Amazo, a stripped-down variant

3. He basically BFRed it with the Batmobile.

Just putting that feat into context.

Oh snap, another Batman fan bites the dust!

#94 Posted by patrat18 (9578 posts) - - Show Bio

@veshark: ok batman beat grundy no prep

#95 Posted by patrat18 (9578 posts) - - Show Bio
#96 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18 said:

@veshark: ok batman beat grundy no prep

Grundy has versions where he is as weak as street levelers. That was one of those versions.

@patrat18 said:

@cadencev2: oh snap another pointless comment

Oh snap, still shot down.

#97 Edited by WaveMotionCannon (5386 posts) - - Show Bio

No prep. Cap stomps

#98 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5386 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18: that was pure bullsh*t as well as not canon. What answer does the Bat have for Ult. Cap?

#99 Posted by jackbensley777 (648 posts) - - Show Bio

batman beat 616 cap without prep i think in a marvel vs dc crossover in '96. alright so ultimate cap has better enhanced strength and heals faster than normal. Batman has taken blows from superman... superman could DESTROY ultimate cap. With prep batman could have this easily. he already has better H2H skills apart from being alot weaker. Batman has fought darkseid, im pretty sure he can beat ultimate cap with prep.

#100 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

batman beat 616 cap without prep i think in a marvel vs dc crossover in '96. alright so ultimate cap has better enhanced strength and heals faster than normal. Batman has taken blows from superman... superman could DESTROY ultimate cap. With prep batman could have this easily. he already has better H2H skills apart from being alot weaker. Batman has fought darkseid, im pretty sure he can beat ultimate cap with prep.

Cap could like wise beat Batman with Prep. He is the President and has SHIELD and all the Geniuses of Ultimate Marvel under his power.

All of America, SHIELD, and Ultimates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne Industry.

Just saying to all the Bat Fans.