#1 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Who is the stronger villian in the Ultimate Universe?

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#2 Posted by Super-Buster (2358 posts) - - Show Bio

Oo man, I wish I knew more about Apocalypse. Meh, I'll go with Mags for now, I'm pretty sure he can beat Doom because, to may knowledge, Doom hasn't Magneto-proofed his...body as he has done in 616 and he generally seems less competent than his 616 counterpart, maybe it's because of his age. I don't know about Ult. Apocalypse and if someone could come up with a strong case for him I might concede, but from what I can tell, he is wearing metal armor that could be crushed in upon himself. 

#3 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
I think Magneto should win here
#4 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Ultimate Apocalypse would own here. From what I read of him, he is a dangerous bad man.

#5 Posted by Super-Buster (2358 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"I think Ultimate Apocalypse would own here. From what I read of him, he is a dangerous bad man."
What can Ult. Apocalypse do? (I'm not doubting you, I honestly don't know)
#6 Posted by Erik (33014 posts) - - Show Bio

He can control mutants around him. I am guessing by something other than telepathy because he didn't use it on humans. Maybe he has the ability to just control mutants. So if Magneto tried to fight Apocalypse, he would become UA's puppet. 

#7 Posted by Super-Buster (2358 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"He can control mutants around him. I am guessing by something other than telepathy because he didn't use it on humans. Maybe he has the ability to just control mutants. So if Magneto tried to fight Apocalypse, he would become UA's puppet. "
Sucks for Mags, is there a willpower component to it? Has anyone resisted it?
#8 Posted by Rapist (182 posts) - - Show Bio

i think mags would take this

#9 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom was considered to be more powerful the Ultimate Thor and took on a army of zombie heroes. He is also has stronger magic abilities (in my opinion) than his 616 counter-part.

#10 Posted by Super-Buster (2358 posts) - - Show Bio

In terms of pure power Doom might be on the other two's level but he is made of metal right? I think if Mags focused on him first Ithink he would be able to crush him. However, Apoc. will probably take control of Mags, maybe while he is doing that Doom will be able to get off a spell or something, I don't know.

#11 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio
Super-Buster said:
"In terms of pure power Doom might be on the other two's level but he is made of metal right? I think if Mags focused on him first Ithink he would be able to crush him. However, Apoc. will probably take control of Mags, maybe while he is doing that Doom will be able to get off a spell or something, I don't know."

Neither Apoc or Mags have a defense against magic.
#12 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio

Its a triangle. Doom's made of metal, so magento beats him. Apocolypse controls mutants, so he beats magneto. Doom is insanely dangerous and not affected by Apocolypse, so he wins there.

#13 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"I think Magneto should win here
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Nah, he's out first.  Ultimate Magneto is so incompetant he got beaten by Colossus.
#14 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL yeah, mainstream always destroyed Colossus.

#15 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr. Doom wins here.  His magic shields would protect him from Mags.  Only person to resist Apoc is Xavier & Phoenix and that was with Xavier getting a years training from the future to be able to do so. It is telepethicly based control because it was Xavier who began releasing people from Apoc's Control and preventing it from happening again.  However, Apoc would slaughter Mags wholesale because he is a mutant and unable to resist by himself Apoc's manipulation.  Apoc would takes Mags' power for himself.

All in all . . .Doom wins, although not as adept as his 616 counterpart he is still the most powerful of the three here.

#16 Posted by Alpha (7331 posts) - - Show Bio
Tevnoba said:
"Dr. Doom wins here.  His magic shields would protect him from Mags.  Only person to resist Apoc is Xavier & Phoenix and that was with Xavier getting a years training from the future to be able to do so. It is telepethicly based control because it was Xavier who began releasing people from Apoc's Control and preventing it from happening again.  However, Apoc would slaughter Mags wholesale because he is a mutant and unable to resist by himself Apoc's manipulation.  Apoc would takes Mags' power for himself.

All in all . . .Doom wins, although not as adept as his 616 counterpart he is still the most powerful of the three here."

Good break-down