#1 Posted by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

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This is depowered Tyrant

Round 1

No prep

H2H

Round 2

Both get 30 hrs prep

Victory by KO or Death

#2 Posted by Killemall (18477 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyrant wins everytime be it H2H or otherwise.

I understand he has limited feat but he is clearly up there with Galactus in terms of power level, depowered or otherwise.

#3 Edited by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: You don't think Mongul has any chance?

#4 Posted by Killemall (18477 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: You don't think Mongul has any chance?

Not really, i know Tyrant isnt exactly flowing with feats, but he is clearly shown to be pretty close to Galactus in power level, i think Tyrant is just a league above Mongul.

But you know feats from mongul i would believe, here check out the chronology for Tyrant that i recently made (it was made before comicvine changeover, so you will have to click on the image individually, not open them in a new window, and press next as you read along)

then you will have seen everyone on Tyrant , then you tell me what you think

http://www.comicvine.com/tyrant/4005-7123/forums/tyrant-chronology-752947/

#5 Posted by Assman (1836 posts) - - Show Bio

Have to agree with Killemall here.

#6 Edited by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyrant wins.

#7 Edited by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: Nice scans! Tyrant certainly knows how to lay the the smackdown! That being said I would lean my vote a little more towards Tyrant but I do think that this would be an epic battle as PC Mongul has beaten the crap out of PC Superman numerous times and has taken on groups of heroes too. In fact IIRC Mongul easily defeated the Justice League and then took on Superman and the Legion of Superheroes at the same time.

#8 Posted by Killemall (18477 posts) - - Show Bio

@warlordeternal: Fair enough, my stand on Tyrant winning everytime pretty much is based on the last paragraph on that blog, where Tyrant actually faces a Galactus recently fed on a planet. And give how powerful Galactus is, and how despite being recently fed the two were potrayed as equal, i think that should give Tyrant a solid edge.

That being said, your stance is totally justified. Once we ignore that fight, all other feats from him fall short against Mongul beating Justice League (i am not as versed with Mongul apart from the scans i have seen on comicvine, although i vaguely recall Mongul losing against Superman Batman and Wonder Woman together), so we can agree to disagree, thats the best part in comicvine :)

(also lets face it ,you are a Mongul fan, i am a Tyrant fan, had this been 50% 50%, we would both vote on the characters we adore :p )

#9 Edited by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: agreed :)

The fight you are referring to with Superman Batman and Wonder Woman was in the book "For the man who has everything" In which Mongul lost because Robin threw the Black Mercy on him. (the black mercy is a plant like creature that attaches itself to a victim and feeds off of there bio aura or life energy and in return puts them in a dream like state were they live out their greatest fantasy's) Superman was ensnared by one on his birth day, courtesy of Mongul. He then shows up as Batman, Robin, and Wonder Woman try to find out what the thing is. Batman realizing that Mongul is way out of his league stays with Robin in order to free Superman while Wonder Woman fights. Mongul literally beats Wonder Woman within an inch of her life before Superman is finally freed. In a fit of rage Superman viciously attacks Mongul. Though Superman is fighting with the pure intent to cause harm to his opponent, Mongul still held the majority. Once there is an opening, Superman manages to get on top of Mongul and is about to bash his face but he gets distracted by a statue of his parents and is ko'ed by Mongul. (which leads to the picture up top) Before Mongul can deliver the final blow Robin calls out to him and throws the Black Mercy on him.

#10 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7812 posts) - - Show Bio

honestly i have to say this is pretty even fight

#11 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5346 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyrant=Baby Galactus gets the win.

#12 Posted by King Saturn (223985 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyrant for the win

#13 Posted by thanobomb1124 (2012 posts) - - Show Bio

Heh. Tyrant for the win.

#14 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5008 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyrant is too much for Mongul.

#15 Posted by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by King Saturn (223985 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: Any particular reasons my lord?

@thanobomb1124: Easily or with lots of effort?

@lone_wolf_and_cub: You dont think he could put up a fight to Tyrant?

Tyrant's Power even at a Depowered Level should he was far beyond your regular powerhouse villain... I mean we are talking about someone who could put away Silver Surfer, Thor, Gladiator easily and all at the same time... now Pre Crisis Mongul has the strength to do so but the versatility of Thor and Silver Surfer would cause PC Mongul problems because they wont just slug it out with him as PC Superman did... but these same cosmic powers did not affect Tyrant at all in battle. Heck, even an amped up Thanos could not defeat Tyrant... could not even seriously harm him.

#17 Edited by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: Okay makes sense but Mongul wasnt just brawn, he was also brains. He is really intelligent and also has other powers like shooting blast from his hands and eyes. I think he also has the ability to teleport. In round 2 with prep he could possibly bring some of his crazy devices with him.

#18 Posted by King Saturn (223985 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: Okay makes sense but Mongul wasnt just brawn, he was also brains. He is really intelligent and also has other powers like shooting blast from his hands and eyes. I think he also has the ability to teleport. In round 2 with prep he could possibly bring some of his crazy devices with him.

Tyrant has Technopathy... so Mongul bringing devices with him for assistance would be a big no no because they could be taken over and used against him by Tyrant... on top of that... I don't think blasts from Mongul will hurt Tyrant that much... not when even the Silver Surfer's blast power did nothing to him.

#19 Posted by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: What about the dimensional inversion cubes?

p.s. Sorry it took so long to reply back. I was very busy.

#20 Posted by King Saturn (223985 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_saturn: What about the dimensional inversion cubes?

p.s. Sorry it took so long to reply back. I was very busy.

I would believe considering that is some type of tech Tyrant might be able to manipulate those too...

#21 Edited by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

@warlordeternal: Not seeing how Mongul last long against Tyrant here... dude took out several heralds, Gladiator and Beta Ray Bill without much effort at all. I'm supposed to believe Mongul is in the same category? I'd have to see some convincing scans...

#22 Posted by dondave (35988 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyrant

#23 Posted by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

@malevolent1: I don't have a lot but I will post what I have...

This is his first actual fight against PC Superman

This is from his battle with the Justice League

This is his fight against Superman and the Legion of Superheroes

After the Legion left to stop the Sun-Eater Superman stayed to fight Mongul. This is is only true victory against him and he past out immediately after.

This is his fight with Wonder Woman

I think this is all I've got.

#24 Edited by New_World_Order (12917 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Posted by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

@warlordeternal: No disrespect to Mongul. Dude is a beast, as the scans clearly show above. However, as the following scans indicate, Tyrant not only takes out Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Ganymede (a bit of a non-factor honestly...), Jack of Hearts, Beta Ray Bill, Morg and Tyrant (although, the latter two fought amongst themselves for some of the fight...) at the same time, he then challenges Galactus himself:

Dude takes out the indicated heralds, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill and Jack of Hearts...then challenges Galactus. I have much respect for Mongul...he is easily one of THE big threats to just about anyone in the DC universe...I just can't see him doing what Tyrant did here, though.

#26 Posted by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

@malevolent1: I saw scans of his fight with this group before, thanks to @Killemall.

Tyrant is total a badass villain and to be honest I would lean a little more towards Tyrant in this particular match-up.

I just thought it would make for a great fight.

#27 Posted by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

@warlordeternal: Absolutely! Mongul is monstrous! And I hope I didn't come off as rude...that was not my intent, and I apologize if it seemed that way.

And incidentally, thanks for those scans, they were educational!!

#28 Posted by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Edited by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

@malevolent1:Hey I managed to find the scans of Mongul and Superman's final battle.

#30 Posted by Malevolent1 (1072 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by WarlordEternal (2223 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Posted by lol (4417 posts) - - Show Bio

Isnt PC Supes best than DP Tyrant and PC Mongul best than PC Sups?

#33 Posted by dondave (35988 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyrant

#34 Posted by jagernutt (2429 posts) - - Show Bio

Tyrant wins everytime be it H2H or otherwise.

I understand he has limited feat but he is clearly up there with Galactus in terms of power level, depowered or otherwise.

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#35 Posted by Killerwasp (3832 posts) - - Show Bio
#36 Posted by Night4345 (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

PC Mongul.

#37 Posted by jagernutt (2429 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall said:

Tyrant wins everytime be it H2H or otherwise.

I understand he has limited feat but he is clearly up there with Galactus in terms of power level, depowered or otherwise.

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