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#1 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2813 posts) - - Show Bio

lucian vs sam and jacob

raze vs paul

selene vs bella

marcus vs aro

vicktor vs marcus and caius

michael vs emmit and seth

quint vs jane, alec, felix, demitri, jared, quil, leah, and embry

Fight takes place in Forks Washington in the forest at 6:30 p.m. spring time. To the death.

#2 Edited by silverman201 (261 posts) - - Show Bio

Wrong forum and twilight vampires and shapeshifters would win most wounds, while the underworld vampires and Lycans have more warrior like traits the twilight vamps and shapeshifters know just as well how to fight and kill plus there several times more powerful. Though im not sure on who would win on the Selene vs Bella and Marcus vs Aro matches.

#3 Posted by BlackArmor (6136 posts) - - Show Bio

.........Alucard comes out from nowhere and kills everything everywhere forever the end

#4 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

...I'm guessing the Underworld Vamps and Lycans win.

#5 Posted by steelhound56 (1074 posts) - - Show Bio

The Underworld monsters win my votes for overall awesomeness than the Twilight series vamps and shapshifters...

But the Twilight series vamps are on average stronger than Underworld vamps. Selene, Michael, Marcus, Viktor, Raze and Lucian are really the only one who can put up a fight against the Twilight Universe

But Kate Beckinsale in a skintight catsuit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristen Stewart's poker face acting and general nonsensicalness of the Twilight universe

#6 Posted by The Poet (8335 posts) - - Show Bio

underworld beings...

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#7 Posted by Raiiyn (3450 posts) - - Show Bio

The Volturi are probably the only ones from Twilight that could cause any sort of damage to the underworld vamps and lycans... Bella fighting is a joke. She's newly turned.

&& the Twilight wolves are pretty new at the whole being wolves thing as well.

Hands down, Underworld Lycans and Vamps would destroy Twilight's vamps and wolves.

#8 Posted by Raiiyn (3450 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: Or constipated vampires... Edward would win that one... =)

#9 Edited by redleigh86 (562 posts) - - Show Bio

@silverman201: ... This is a joke, right?

The Underworld vampires and lycans win all these fights, hands down :/ Especially Michael vs anyone, seeing how he's pretty much invincible. Also, all the Underworld creatures are older and more experienced in war and fighting than all the Twilight characters.

#10 Posted by Strider92 (16242 posts) - - Show Bio

@redleigh86 said:

@silverman201: ... This is a joke, right?

The Underworld vampires and lycans win all these fights, hands down :/ Especially Michael vs anyone, seeing how he's pretty much invincible. Also, all the Underworld creatures are older and more experienced in war and fighting than all the Twilight characters.

Well to be fair Twilight Vamps as much as I dislike them have better durability, strength and speed not to mention powers like telepathy etc... Twilight Vamps beat Underworld Vamps (except Quint and possibly Micheal).

Shapeshifters on the other and will get get killed by Lycan's. Yes they are stronger and faster but they have no combat experience (Lucian has shown very competent H2H abilities), they are definitely not as agile (we've seen Lycan's climbing castle walls easily and running horizontally along cliff edges) also Lucian was able to go up against Viktor without transforming so that a pretty impressive feat in itself.

#11 Posted by hectorsquall (1137 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackArmor said:

.........Alucard comes out from nowhere and kills everything everywhere forever the end

Gotta Kill 'Em All

But seriously, if I had to choose: Underworld Vamps and Lycans win (because they are more experienced and they don't sparkle)

#12 Posted by SC (12914 posts) - - Show Bio
@Raiiyn said:

The Volturi are probably the only ones from Twilight that could cause any sort of damage to the underworld vamps and lycans... Bella fighting is a joke. She's newly turned.

&& the Twilight wolves are pretty new at the whole being wolves thing as well.

Hands down, Underworld Lycans and Vamps would destroy Twilight's vamps and wolves.

 
 
@lykopis said:

Just finished watching both the Twilight and Underworld films and without a doubt - Underworld hands down. Unless it was a fight of sparkles and emo-stares...then..you know....

 
 
K, sorry, I have to say you are both wrong. As tough, warrior like and badass Underworld Vampires are, Edward Cullen has special man nipple powers. Like in the latest movie, he was standing naked in the ocean in the middle of the night, cause its extra poetic and extra beautiful or some BS, and in the shots he was standing directly in front of the moon, he would disappear because you know, his skin is extra pale and glowy? Except you would see see his man nipples. So sort of looked like the moon had creepy eyes. So as soon as he takes his top off Selene is going to be dropped flat on her back, with probably some sort of eye infection. All the Underworld Vampires will be hypnotized and neutralized by Edward's strange and surreal contrasting man nipples. They will end up in the Underworld... heh heh get it Hades? Dead? Pwned by Edward? 
 
As for the puppies, well Twilight puppies aren't just Shape Shifters - they are Chuparahacarbra's and when a Chuparahacarbra pops its fangs then look out Doctors you are going to get a lot of patients. Oh wait, not Vets. Wait... does a injured Werewolf go to a Doctor or a Vet? I guess the Chuparahacarbra will just have to kill them, and send them to the morgue. No more confusion... 
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#13 Posted by The Stegman (23808 posts) - - Show Bio

Underworld werewolves vs the Twilight wolves could actually be a good fight, but the Twilight vampires would destroy the Underworld ones.

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#14 Posted by Strider92 (16242 posts) - - Show Bio

@hectorsquall: Alucard could probably solo the whole of Twilight and Underworld lol.

#15 Posted by Raiiyn (3450 posts) - - Show Bio

@SC: lmmaaaoooo

Totally didn't factor in Edward's creepy factor...

#16 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2813 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

Underworld werewolves vs the Twilight wolves could actually be a good fight, but the Twilight vampires would destroy the Underworld ones.

Agree.And whats up with all these people saying the twilightverse go's down easily just 'cause they're kinda gay. I say the shapeshifters rip the lycans in half and the underworld vampires.......goodbye.

#17 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr.obvious said:

...I'm guessing the Underworld Vamps and Lycans win.

#18 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@redleigh86 said:

@silverman201: ... This is a joke, right?

The Underworld vampires and lycans win all these fights, hands down :/ Especially Michael vs anyone, seeing how he's pretty much invincible. Also, all the Underworld creatures are older and more experienced in war and fighting than all the Twilight characters.

Well to be fair Twilight Vamps as much as I dislike them have better durability, strength and speed not to mention powers like telepathy etc... Twilight Vamps beat Underworld Vamps (except Quint and possibly Micheal).

Shapeshifters on the other and will get get killed by Lycan's. Yes they are stronger and faster but they have no combat experience (Lucian has shown very competent H2H abilities), they are definitely not as agile (we've seen Lycan's climbing castle walls easily and running horizontally along cliff edges) also Lucian was able to go up against Viktor without transforming so that a pretty impressive feat in itself.

#19 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

Twilight Vamps OWN this.

#21 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

#22 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2813 posts) - - Show Bio

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

True. If neither had fighting skills, Twilight wins. But then again, Selene is pretty weak.

#23 Posted by Mattersuit (4270 posts) - - Show Bio

Alucard

#24 Edited by kcaz (1371 posts) - - Show Bio

i guess twilight vampire wins, unless uv rays or silver are super effective if come in contact with the blood of twilight vamps or werewolves, then uv or silver bullet would put them down.
 
anyway, did meyers explain why twilight vampires sparkle under the sun, if not, then uv HAS to be able to affect them, thats why their skin reacts when come in contact with the sun's uv rays  

#25 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

LOL

Did you see who she is paired against? And the effed up thing about brute strength is that if someone has it, and superhuman speed along with it, then they really don't need THAT much fighting skill...................................BTW, the cullens have that too.

#26 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@kcaz said:

i guess twilight vampire wins, unless uv rays or silver are super effective if come in contact with the blood of twilight vamps or werewolves, then uv or silver bullet would put them down. anyway, did meyers explain why twilight vampires sparkle under the sun, if not, then uv HAS to be able to affect them, thats why their skin reacts when come in contact with the sun's uv rays

LOL Noooo

UV is not hurting them at all. Their skin reacts to light, because, just like diamonds, everything sparkles much brighter in the sun. They are ridiculously pale, and when you see them in the light, you see exactly why.

#27 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

True. If neither had fighting skills, Twilight wins. But then again, Selene is pretty weak.

How is she weak? didn't she drink the blood of the original maker of vampires, didn't that make her as strong as Lucian, Markus and victor. She would beat bella obviously.

#28 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@TAneT62 said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

True. If neither had fighting skills, Twilight wins. But then again, Selene is pretty weak.

How is she weak? didn't she drink the blood of the original maker of vampires, didn't that make her as strong as Lucian, Markus and victor. She would beat bella obviously.

I wouldn't say she's "weak". But she's not laying a finger on Bella.

#29 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

True. If neither had fighting skills, Twilight wins. But then again, Selene is pretty weak.

How is she weak? didn't she drink the blood of the original maker of vampires, didn't that make her as strong as Lucian, Markus and victor. She would beat bella obviously.

I wouldn't say she's "weak". But she's not laying a finger on Bella.

Hows that? Bella has just turned vampire, selene is a very old, very powerful vampire, and lets not forget selene's amazing fighting abilities. Selene is more experience, she has taken out stronger opponenents that what bella could ever hope to take on.

didn't know there were twihard fans on here.

#30 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@TAneT62 said:

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

True. If neither had fighting skills, Twilight wins. But then again, Selene is pretty weak.

How is she weak? didn't she drink the blood of the original maker of vampires, didn't that make her as strong as Lucian, Markus and victor. She would beat bella obviously.

I wouldn't say she's "weak". But she's not laying a finger on Bella.

Hows that? Bella has just turned vampire, selene is a very old, very powerful vampire, and lets not forget selene's amazing fighting abilities. Selene is more experience, she has taken out stronger opponenents that what bella could ever hope to take on.

didn't know there were twihard fans on here.

Selene does have her beat in fighting history. That obvious. And if they were on equal levels, then yes, I would be completely down with this argument

However, you answered your own question with your second sentence. Bella JUST TURNED into a vampire. Newborn's are in a different league....and Bella is a natural in everything that she does. Fighting, hunting, running.............she was literally born to be a vampire

And DO NOT mention Selene's victories in Underworld as something that is SOOO special. Because most of the people that Selene has struggled against would be little to no issue against a Twilight Vampire, because if a Twilight vampire existed in the Underworld world, They would be on the Volturi's current status, due to being that much stronger.

Here are some clips of Selene for reference material for those that would like to support her.

#31 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

Selene would wreck Bella

If they can barely outrun large dogs they have no chance against weapon master selene.

#32 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

Selene would wreck Bella

If they can barely outrun large dogs they have no chance against weapon master selene.

Research the "Large Dogs"...........immediately

#33 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

Selene would wreck Bella

If they can barely outrun large dogs they have no chance against weapon master selene.

Her weapons literally can't do anything

#34 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

True. If neither had fighting skills, Twilight wins. But then again, Selene is pretty weak.

How is she weak? didn't she drink the blood of the original maker of vampires, didn't that make her as strong as Lucian, Markus and victor. She would beat bella obviously.

I wouldn't say she's "weak". But she's not laying a finger on Bella.

Hows that? Bella has just turned vampire, selene is a very old, very powerful vampire, and lets not forget selene's amazing fighting abilities. Selene is more experience, she has taken out stronger opponenents that what bella could ever hope to take on.

didn't know there were twihard fans on here.

Selene does have her beat in fighting history. That obvious. And if they were on equal levels, then yes, I would be completely down with this argument

However, you answered your own question with your second sentence. Bella JUST TURNED into a vampire. Newborn's are in a different league....and Bella is a natural in everything that she does. Fighting, hunting, running.............she was literally born to be a vampire

And DO NOT mention Selene's victories in Underworld as something that is SOOO special. Because most of the people that Selene has struggled against would be little to no issue against a Twilight Vampire, because if a Twilight vampire existed in the Underworld world, They would be on the Volturi's current status, due to being that much stronger.

Here are some clips of Selene for reference material for those that would like to support her.

Natural in every way as a vampire? Lol that still doesn't mean or prove anything. Bella is no where near the level of selene, the older the vampires the stronger they are, selene is hundreds of years old, is a master with weaponary, is a master in fighting, she would have faster combat speed then bella aswell due to her training and fighting, bella has had no experience with stronger opponenets, no experience with fighting what so ever, even in the books bella hardly fought, she only used her gift to protect herself against other vampires powers. If vampires can't run or can hardly kill The twilight warewolves which selene has done numerous times in underworld how the heck can bella take on selene?

Selene murders bella.

#35 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

Selene would wreck Bella

If they can barely outrun large dogs they have no chance against weapon master selene.

Research the "Large Dogs"...........immediately

I assume you have not seen their transformation.

Selene Blitzed 4-6 security guards and cut their throats.

#36 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

Selene would wreck Bella

If they can barely outrun large dogs they have no chance against weapon master selene.

Her weapons literally can't do anything

One grenade = Bella is toast

Bullet in head = Dead bella

Decapitation = you know very well.

#37 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@TAneT62 said:

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

True. If neither had fighting skills, Twilight wins. But then again, Selene is pretty weak.

How is she weak? didn't she drink the blood of the original maker of vampires, didn't that make her as strong as Lucian, Markus and victor. She would beat bella obviously.

I wouldn't say she's "weak". But she's not laying a finger on Bella.

Hows that? Bella has just turned vampire, selene is a very old, very powerful vampire, and lets not forget selene's amazing fighting abilities. Selene is more experience, she has taken out stronger opponenents that what bella could ever hope to take on.

didn't know there were twihard fans on here.

Selene does have her beat in fighting history. That obvious. And if they were on equal levels, then yes, I would be completely down with this argument

However, you answered your own question with your second sentence. Bella JUST TURNED into a vampire. Newborn's are in a different league....and Bella is a natural in everything that she does. Fighting, hunting, running.............she was literally born to be a vampire

And DO NOT mention Selene's victories in Underworld as something that is SOOO special. Because most of the people that Selene has struggled against would be little to no issue against a Twilight Vampire, because if a Twilight vampire existed in the Underworld world, They would be on the Volturi's current status, due to being that much stronger.

Here are some clips of Selene for reference material for those that would like to support her.

Natural in every way as a vampire? Lol that still doesn't mean or prove anything. Bella is no where near the level of selene, the older the vampires the stronger they are, selene is hundreds of years old, is a master with weaponary, is a master in fighting, she would have faster combat speed then bella aswell due to her training and fighting, bella has had no experience with stronger opponenets, no experience with fighting what so ever, even in the books bella hardly fought, she only used her gift to protect herself against other vampires powers. If vampires can't run or can hardly kill The twilight warewolves which selene has done numerous times in underworld how the heck can bella take on selene?

Selene murders bella.

You said Bella was "just turned" as if that MEANT something, so I corrected you. And WTH does age have to do with anything? Quite frankly, in this battle, it doesn't mean...well....anything. All natural vampiric abilities that are inherited via the venom transformation were given to Bella, and then some. She wasn't a typical human, and she's not a typical vampire either. Bella has all of these down to.....I'm tempted to say perfection. Bella was trained in fighting, and natural vampire abilities do the rest. One blow from Bella and Selene is going to be struggling. Because, Selene is physically more vulnerable than Bella.

For the bold, I need you to show me a receipt for all of that B.S., unless you are just exaggerating.........in which case, I will accept it, as cattiness is something I don't necessarily condemn.

#38 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

Selene would wreck Bella

If they can barely outrun large dogs they have no chance against weapon master selene.

Research the "Large Dogs"...........immediately

I assume you have not seen their transformation.

Selene Blitzed 4-6 security guards and cut their throats.

How is this special?

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

Selene would wreck Bella

If they can barely outrun large dogs they have no chance against weapon master selene.

Her weapons literally can't do anything

One grenade = Bella is toast

Bullet in head = Dead bella

Decapitation = you know very well.

I'd ask for a receipt, but I know that you couldn't possibly have one for anything Twilight if you think that these attacks will harm her.

#39 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage: OK. Show me her durability feats then.

#40 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage: OK. Show me her durability feats then.

THE ONLY way to kill a vampire in Twilight is to rip it apart and burn the pieces...............these claims of decapitation with a weapon of any sort need to stop...........immediately. Because it has never been that easy, and it definitely won't be that easy against a newborn as naturally gifted as Bella.

#41 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage: So you don't have her durability feats? Then you should with this new born B.S. Which vampire has ever reformed after getting blown to pieces?

#42 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage: So you don't have her durability feats? Then you should with this new born B.S. Which vampire has ever reformed after getting blown to pieces?

1. Those are common facts about newborns, so why exactly should I stop with.........anything? You obviously didn't know them, because if you did, you would never have brought up a "bullet to the head" as a way of Bella being killed.

2. As for the bold, every one that wasn't burned to death after said pieces were torn.

#43 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage: So you don't have her durability feats? Then you should with this new born B.S. Which vampire has ever reformed after getting blown to pieces?

1. Those are common facts about newborns, so why exactly should I stop with.........anything? You obviously didn't know them, because if you did, you would never have brought up a "bullet to the head" as a way of Bella being killed.

2. As for the bold, every one that wasn't burned to death after said pieces were torn.

1. Doesn't really matter. She has no feats, New born is as vague as omega mutant.

2. Bullet will her down and grenade will finish her. Don't tell me Bella can fight without head after decapitation.

#44 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

@Petey_is_Spidey said:

@TAneT62 said:

Underworld team knows how to actually fight, they don't just rely on raw strength ... selene for example is an amazing fighter.

underworld wins

True. If neither had fighting skills, Twilight wins. But then again, Selene is pretty weak.

How is she weak? didn't she drink the blood of the original maker of vampires, didn't that make her as strong as Lucian, Markus and victor. She would beat bella obviously.

I wouldn't say she's "weak". But she's not laying a finger on Bella.

Hows that? Bella has just turned vampire, selene is a very old, very powerful vampire, and lets not forget selene's amazing fighting abilities. Selene is more experience, she has taken out stronger opponenents that what bella could ever hope to take on.

didn't know there were twihard fans on here.

Selene does have her beat in fighting history. That obvious. And if they were on equal levels, then yes, I would be completely down with this argument

However, you answered your own question with your second sentence. Bella JUST TURNED into a vampire. Newborn's are in a different league....and Bella is a natural in everything that she does. Fighting, hunting, running.............she was literally born to be a vampire

And DO NOT mention Selene's victories in Underworld as something that is SOOO special. Because most of the people that Selene has struggled against would be little to no issue against a Twilight Vampire, because if a Twilight vampire existed in the Underworld world, They would be on the Volturi's current status, due to being that much stronger.

Here are some clips of Selene for reference material for those that would like to support her.

Natural in every way as a vampire? Lol that still doesn't mean or prove anything. Bella is no where near the level of selene, the older the vampires the stronger they are, selene is hundreds of years old, is a master with weaponary, is a master in fighting, she would have faster combat speed then bella aswell due to her training and fighting, bella has had no experience with stronger opponenets, no experience with fighting what so ever, even in the books bella hardly fought, she only used her gift to protect herself against other vampires powers. If vampires can't run or can hardly kill The twilight warewolves which selene has done numerous times in underworld how the heck can bella take on selene?

Selene murders bella.

You said Bella was "just turned" as if that MEANT something, so I corrected you. And WTH does age have to do with anything? Quite frankly, in this battle, it doesn't mean...well....anything. All natural vampiric abilities that are inherited via the venom transformation were given to Bella, and then some. She wasn't a typical human, and she's not a typical vampire either. Bella has all of these down to.....I'm tempted to say perfection. Bella was trained in fighting, and natural vampire abilities do the rest. One blow from Bella and Selene is going to be struggling. Because, Selene is physically more vulnerable than Bella.

For the bold, I need you to show me a receipt for all of that B.S., unless you are just exaggerating.........in which case, I will accept it, as cattiness is something I don't necessarily condemn.

Wow your serious right? When i meant "turned" i meant she wouldn't stand a chance against selene, selene, as i've said before, has more experience with what she's dealing with, bella doesn't have any experience as being a vampire. Obviously the vampires in twilight have rock hard skin, more like stone if you ask me, so that'll give them an advantage against vampires in underworld, but bella up against selene is total nonsense and piss, up against someone that is literally stronger, more experience and actually knows real combat, is a master in weaponary and has the strength of the original creator of vampires will be to much for bella. Bella wasn't trained in the advance combat as selene was, selene knows many styles of fighting, she has mastered several techniques with weaponary and combat. And yea obviously selene doesn't have hard skin as bella but that doesn't mean anything.

Still selene murders. period.

#45 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage: So you don't have her durability feats? Then you should with this new born B.S. Which vampire has ever reformed after getting blown to pieces?

1. Those are common facts about newborns, so why exactly should I stop with.........anything? You obviously didn't know them, because if you did, you would never have brought up a "bullet to the head" as a way of Bella being killed.

2. As for the bold, every one that wasn't burned to death after said pieces were torn.

1. Doesn't really matter. She has no feats, New born is as vague as omega mutant.

2. Bullet will her down and grenade will finish her. Don't tell me Bella can fight without head after decapitation.

1. How is it vague when it's been shown repeatedly to be factual? She can outrun and outjump Edward, she received training from Edward, Jasper, Tanya, and several others, She beat Emmett in an arm wrestling match, and I could also argue that she could possibly form her shield around selene and become even more aware of her movements.

2......................I understand that you want to prove that Selene wins. I'm fine with that. One-sided debates are never fun. However, I'm not even asking that you read the book. I'm just asking that you use Google, because I can't take this "offense" strategy of yours seriously if you insist in sticking with this bullet argument

#46 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage: So you don't have her durability feats? Then you should with this new born B.S. Which vampire has ever reformed after getting blown to pieces?

1. Those are common facts about newborns, so why exactly should I stop with.........anything? You obviously didn't know them, because if you did, you would never have brought up a "bullet to the head" as a way of Bella being killed.

2. As for the bold, every one that wasn't burned to death after said pieces were torn.

1. Doesn't really matter. She has no feats, New born is as vague as omega mutant.

2. Bullet will her down and grenade will finish her. Don't tell me Bella can fight without head after decapitation.

1. How is it vague when it's been shown repeatedly to be factual? She can outrun and outjump Edward, she received training from Edward, Jasper, Tanya, and several others, She beat Emmett in an arm wrestling match, and I could also argue that she could possibly form her shield around selene and become even more aware of her movements.

2......................I understand that you want to prove that Selene wins. I'm fine with that. One-sided debates are never fun. However, I'm not even asking that you read the book. I'm just asking that you use Google, because I can't take this "offense" strategy of yours seriously if you insist in sticking with this bullet argument

1. How is this special?

2. Selene has killed many lycans and vampires. Can Bella survive grenade? If she is really that durable then post her feats.

#47 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@TAneT62 said:

1.Wow your serious right? When i meant "turned" i meant she wouldn't stand a chance against selene, selene, as i've said before, has more experience with what she's dealing with, bella doesn't have any experience as being a vampire. 2.Obviously the vampires in twilight have rock hard skin, more like stone if you ask me, so that'll give them an advantage against vampires in underworld, 3.but bella up against selene is total nonsense and piss, up against someone that is literally stronger, more experience and actually knows real combat, is a master in weaponary and has the strength of the original creator of vampires will be to much for bella. Bella wasn't trained in the advance combat as selene was, selene knows many styles of fighting, she has mastered several techniques with weaponary and combat. And yea obviously 4.selene doesn't have hard skin as bella but that doesn't mean anything.

Still selene murders. period.

1. I know what you meant, and my comment remains unchanged. The reason being that age and experience only carry so far when we are talking about this kind of fight, with these kinds of vampires. She's a fighter now. She naturally took to that, just like she naturally took to using her mental shield which she really never had access to before her transformation. Bella is not someone to simply brush over just because you are older. Strength-wise, they are either very close, with Bella coming out on top, or Bella just outclasses Selene. Also, I'm very tempted to say that Selene has never faced someone in Bella's league before. Fighting skills only carry so far when you have someone who can pop heads off, accidentally, keeping up with every move that you make, and not being anywhere near sloppy in movement.

2. Much harder, and tougher than stone. There's a reason why it was said that Emmett could have accidentally punched through a large granite boulder.........Speaking of the granite boulder, did I mention that Bella broke it during that arm wrestle? I feel l like that's pretty important.

3. Define "stronger"? And Bella doesn't need to be in Selene's fighting league. One blow from Bella, and Selene could very well be dead. Her endurance is laughable against Twilight vampires.

4. LOL It actually means a helluva lot. Selene has to harm Bella. Bella has to harm Selene. I don't care what weapons you have if they can't harm the person that you are fighting.

I only see Selene getting butchered

#48 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage said:

@RyuHayabusa said:

@White Mage: So you don't have her durability feats? Then you should with this new born B.S. Which vampire has ever reformed after getting blown to pieces?

1. Those are common facts about newborns, so why exactly should I stop with.........anything? You obviously didn't know them, because if you did, you would never have brought up a "bullet to the head" as a way of Bella being killed.

2. As for the bold, every one that wasn't burned to death after said pieces were torn.

1. Doesn't really matter. She has no feats, New born is as vague as omega mutant.

2. Bullet will her down and grenade will finish her. Don't tell me Bella can fight without head after decapitation.

1. How is it vague when it's been shown repeatedly to be factual? She can outrun and outjump Edward, she received training from Edward, Jasper, Tanya, and several others, She beat Emmett in an arm wrestling match, and I could also argue that she could possibly form her shield around selene and become even more aware of her movements.

2......................I understand that you want to prove that Selene wins. I'm fine with that. One-sided debates are never fun. However, I'm not even asking that you read the book. I'm just asking that you use Google, because I can't take this "offense" strategy of yours seriously if you insist in sticking with this bullet argument

1. How is this special?

2. Selene has killed many lycans and vampires. Can Bella survive grenade? If she is really that durable then post her feats.

1. I said that they were common facts about newborns/vampires. You essentially said that it doesn't matter because, for some reason (according to you), being a newborn doesn't mean that you immediately have noteworthy powers/immunity/invulnerability. You called it "vague". I replied by saying that those FACTS are anything BUT vague. You then asked me "How is this special" when I went through some STANDARD examples that Bella exhibited...........Like I said, research the twilight vampires to the best of your ability before making statements about what does and does not work against them.

2. Well, Stephanie Meyer repeatedly said that no human weapons can harm a vampire, and the only way to destroy them is to rip them apart and burn the pieces. So, "Can Bella Survive a grenade"?.................Probably.

#49 Posted by TAneT62 (1060 posts) - - Show Bio

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

1.Wow your serious right? When i meant "turned" i meant she wouldn't stand a chance against selene, selene, as i've said before, has more experience with what she's dealing with, bella doesn't have any experience as being a vampire. 2.Obviously the vampires in twilight have rock hard skin, more like stone if you ask me, so that'll give them an advantage against vampires in underworld, 3.but bella up against selene is total nonsense and piss, up against someone that is literally stronger, more experience and actually knows real combat, is a master in weaponary and has the strength of the original creator of vampires will be to much for bella. Bella wasn't trained in the advance combat as selene was, selene knows many styles of fighting, she has mastered several techniques with weaponary and combat. And yea obviously 4.selene doesn't have hard skin as bella but that doesn't mean anything.

Still selene murders. period.

1. I know what you meant, and my comment remains unchanged. The reason being that age and experience only carry so far when we are talking about this kind of fight, with these kinds of vampires. She's a fighter now. She naturally took to that, just like she naturally took to using her mental shield which she really never had access to before her transformation. Bella is not someone to simply brush over just because you are older. Strength-wise, they are either very close, with Bella coming out on top, or Bella just outclasses Selene. Also, I'm very tempted to say that Selene has never faced someone in Bella's league before. Fighting skills only carry so far when you have someone who can pop heads off, accidentally, keeping up with every move that you make, and not being anywhere near sloppy in movement.

2. Much harder, and tougher than stone. There's a reason why it was said that Emmett could have accidentally punched through a large granite boulder.........Speaking of the granite boulder, did I mention that Bella broke it during that arm wrestle? I feel l like that's pretty important.

3. Define "stronger"? And Bella doesn't need to be in Selene's fighting league. One blow from Bella, and Selene could very well be dead. Her endurance is laughable against Twilight vampires.

4. LOL It actually means a helluva lot. Selene has to harm Bella. Bella has to harm Selene. I don't care what weapons you have if they can't harm the person that you are fighting.

I only see Selene getting butchered

Your tempted to say that selene hasn't taken on people in Bella's league? Lol now that's laughable.

Selene has killed original vampires which are in context alot stronger than selene first was in the first 2 movies, and no, one punch from bella would not kill selene, Selene has taken hits several times from a lycan way stronger than selene, the Uber Lycan from underworld awakening. That particular Lycan was near 3 times the size of a normal lycan, was several times stronger than a lycan and vampire, Selene got straight back up and was still fighting when taking hits from the Uber Lycan. The lycan would have been stronger than bella, alot stronger.

She doesn't have to be as durable as the twilight vampires because selene is durable enough to tank several hits from them, she would have a faster reaction speed, which applies to combat speed, mix ot with her strength and bella would be dead. I just don't see bella the victor, she lacks experience and fighting experience, she lacks what it takes to destroy oppenents stronger than she is, and she lacks what it would take to kill.

I only see Bella getting buctchered

#50 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

@TAneT62 said:

@White Mage said:

@TAneT62 said:

1.Wow your serious right? When i meant "turned" i meant she wouldn't stand a chance against selene, selene, as i've said before, has more experience with what she's dealing with, bella doesn't have any experience as being a vampire. 2.Obviously the vampires in twilight have rock hard skin, more like stone if you ask me, so that'll give them an advantage against vampires in underworld, 3.but bella up against selene is total nonsense and piss, up against someone that is literally stronger, more experience and actually knows real combat, is a master in weaponary and has the strength of the original creator of vampires will be to much for bella. Bella wasn't trained in the advance combat as selene was, selene knows many styles of fighting, she has mastered several techniques with weaponary and combat. And yea obviously 4.selene doesn't have hard skin as bella but that doesn't mean anything.

Still selene murders. period.

1. I know what you meant, and my comment remains unchanged. The reason being that age and experience only carry so far when we are talking about this kind of fight, with these kinds of vampires. She's a fighter now. She naturally took to that, just like she naturally took to using her mental shield which she really never had access to before her transformation. Bella is not someone to simply brush over just because you are older. Strength-wise, they are either very close, with Bella coming out on top, or Bella just outclasses Selene. Also, I'm very tempted to say that Selene has never faced someone in Bella's league before. Fighting skills only carry so far when you have someone who can pop heads off, accidentally, keeping up with every move that you make, and not being anywhere near sloppy in movement.

2. Much harder, and tougher than stone. There's a reason why it was said that Emmett could have accidentally punched through a large granite boulder.........Speaking of the granite boulder, did I mention that Bella broke it during that arm wrestle? I feel l like that's pretty important.

3. Define "stronger"? And Bella doesn't need to be in Selene's fighting league. One blow from Bella, and Selene could very well be dead. Her endurance is laughable against Twilight vampires.

4. LOL It actually means a helluva lot. Selene has to harm Bella. Bella has to harm Selene. I don't care what weapons you have if they can't harm the person that you are fighting.

I only see Selene getting butchered

1.Your tempted to say that selene hasn't taken on people in Bella's league? Lol now that's laughable.

Selene has killed original vampires which are in context alot stronger than selene first was in the first 2 movies, and no, one punch from bella would not kill selene, Selene has taken hits several times from a lycan way stronger than selene, the Uber Lycan from underworld awakening. That particular Lycan was near 3 times the size of a normal lycan, was several times stronger than a lycan and vampire, Selene got straight back up and was still fighting when taking hits from the Uber Lycan. The lycan would have been stronger than bella, alot stronger.

She doesn't have to be as durable as the twilight vampires because selene is durable enough to tank several hits from them, she would have a faster reaction speed, which applies to combat speed, mix ot with her strength and bella would be dead. I just don't see bella the victor, she lacks experience and fighting experience, she lacks what it takes to destroy oppenents stronger than she is, and she lacks what it would take to kill.

I only see Bella getting buctchered

1. Laughable? I was straight faced. No giggles, no chuckles, no Hardy har har's. I'm very serious.

2. ......................What feats does the Lycan have that makes you believe this? I wanna see where you are coming from before I attack anything else that you've said here.

3. So, it is your belief that Selene outclasses the twilight vampires in every possible way with the exception of special powers?