(Twilight) Edward Cullen solos The Avengers

Avengers stomp. Several would solo.

@princearagorn1: Yes, but you said she could protect the entire Cullen Coven, that was post Vampire transformation. My point is that if the Vampires couldn't even penetrate a 17 year old girl's mind because she was just so special and complicated [Sarcasm btw], than what chance do they stand against an Asgardian Thunder God's mind [The term God being used tenuously]. Of course I see your point, we can't definitively know either way, but for me it seems far more likely that the Vampire's mental abilities would be rendered moot against Thor.

@rogueshadow: Ah. The sparklepire abilities are direct extensions of what they had in real life. Alice was locked up because of her visions as a child, and jasper could calm people down. The sparklepires couldn't penetrate a girl's mind, not because she was complicated and special, but because she was born with a solid telepathic shield. She didn't get the ability after becoming a vampire, she always had it. She just learned to control it, to protect other peole, too when it was necessary. Right after eleazar told them so, in the fourth part. (hello plot device)

She's not the only sparklepire who trained her powers, there was some woman who could shock people using her palms, but later could use her whole body.

@princearagorn1: I don't think that's right, Bella like other vampires with an ability was born with very low level psychic abilities or a certain characteristic then that would be amplified post vampirism, the mental bubble she could form around others was due to her vampirism. Basically she had basic low level psychic abilities but her ability to produce mental bubbles around others and the potency of it was definitely due to her vampirism, the base gift obviously wasn't, like Jasper's empathy, he was just an empathetic individual, this was embellished upon his change, it's not like Benjamin could manipulate the elements pre vampirism.

It's pretty irrelevant, the point is he couldn't penetrate a young girls mind because she had spectacularly low level psychic abilities she had never even noticed before, I really can't see him getting into Thor's head, or the Hulk's. For example, do you think Loki's mind gem [for want of a better definition] would have worked on Thor?

Also I was joking about the complicated & special bit and I don't remember the term Sparklepire being used in the books, is that a term used by fans?

I'm not ashamed to admit i like the twilight books, but Avengers have them, Edward kills the 3 street levelers in a few seconds then can't progress. They're strong enough to lift cars but that's not enough, hell, Thor could pull a Thor 1 and tornado grab him like with destroyer. Iron man and thor can't be touched and he couldn't get hulk enough, maybe use his venom in a bite and see how that goes? Lol

Umm. Even if we grant that Ed is faster than the Avengers, speed doesn't help you win a fight if you can't use the advantage to meaningfully harm your opponent. What can he actually do to harm Thor or Hulk? What are his prep feats that tell us what he can come up with to bridge this obvious power gap in a mere 10 hours?

@BeefiestName: You've got it right. Faster than the eye can see speed isn't that impressive in the comic world. The fact that Felix was lolpwning Edward means Twivamps can be manhandled for sure by real bricks.

Edward could definitely take Hawkeye and Widow. Probably movie Cap also. He might stalemate with Iron Man, even in the comics, Iron Man has problems with speedsters. I don't know how movie Hulk deals with mesmerism, and if Edward could calm him into changing back to Banner. Thor would stomp Edward, there's nothing Edward could do against him.

@mikex20: Actually Edward's TP is mind reading only. No mindfu**, no hypnotism.

@rogueshadow: Only thing bella learned after changing was projection of the shield. She doesn't form mental bubbles, she kind of just expands her shield like rubber.

Let me help you about the vampire abilities, though. Other people reading can skip the post..

First, the explaination of her shield. Her talent was latent, and manifested before her transformation:

And blocking aro's telepathy isn't a job for a 'low level telepath'.

That's pretty solid for a telepath.

Saying that they could not penetrate the mind of a girl isn't a bad feat for them. It just shows how insane bella's own tp defense was, and it's full power was seen later when she used it on more people.

Also, it was more out the main character thing. If edward could read her mind like everyone else's, he wouldn't have thought she was special in the first place. Just another nice smelling prey. They had to give the main character something..

Only thing she learned afterwards was projecting it:

As for the shield, it's explained differently, more like telepathy blocking stretchy aura than bubbles: (I hope it's not boring. I thought I should collect the material anyway for future debates..

@blackwind: Edwards appearance, voice, and scent has a calming/mesmerizing effect on humans. It's not about his telepathy. He has this effect on humans without even trying, and it hasn't been established in the movies if the Hulk can be calmed that way.

@princearagorn1: I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying, that or I am being inarticulate. I agree, post vampirism she could create a, 'mental bubble' around others, but I am saying she couldn't have developed that ability without her vampirism. She also has no real quantifiable feats, she blocked Edward, Jane and Aro which is great, but they have never tried to TP somebody anywhere near as powerful as Thor, just other Vampires, Shapeshifters & Humans. Thor is an Asgardian, an entirely different species, with absolutely no baseline humanity [Unlike their respective species which all stem from humanity] and exponentially more powerful than any of them, I can't see his TP getting to Thor, at all.

We seem to agree on pretty much everything except that Thor could be mind read, which may be what the fight ultimately boils down to, if he can predict Thor's bolts he can dodge all day [People saying that Edward gets easily tagged are high] if not he gets toasted.

May as well end this until Thor faces a telepath. My only thought is that If Loki could have mind controlled Thor, then surely he would have tried to.

In the end we can't know, unless there some mental mayhem occurs in TDW, which I haven't seen yet.

@rogueshadow:

Thor is.. nowhere near as powerful a telepath as any of them. Offensive, defensive.. His telepathy feats are = 0..

And edwards has read thoughts of humans, vampires, shapeshifters..

I'm not sure where you're getting this 'baseline humanity' of the vampires. The twilight vampires came out of nowhere (literally), and shape-shifters had mystical powers. The elder of shapeshifter pack could apparently travel around as an astral projection. Plus they also have different dna structure.

Loki did use one of his illusions to trick thor into entering the prison in the movie.. I don't know if it would count as telepathy, though. And his mind control can be blocked by being durable (cloths don't stop it, metal does), which isn't the case here. And thor always wears armor. So unless he sneaks up on him while he's not wearing it, he's not going to be mind controlled.

Almost all of the Vampires encountered were infected, not born, they began as humans. I'm basically trying to say that Thor hasn't dealt with a telepath yet so we can't predict how he would react to this, especially one who [as telepaths go] is fairly weak, without any feats against an individual as powerful as Thor. I'm tiring of this now because their is no resolution in sight, hopefully we'll see Thor face a telepath at some point so we can identify his response. I doubt it will be any time soon though, haven't heard of any upcoming tps in the MCU.

I don't think it would, they seemed to be intangible projections, almost holographic.

@supersaiyan_danger: Sorry man, but the Avengers stomp. Edward doesn't have any feats of durability, he is below subsonic speeds, and he's only strong enough to stop a coasting car.

Avengers kill

@rogueshadow: I'm pretty sure the vampires origins were not specified. Yes, they can infect other people, but are they different species or the same.. we have no idea.

Well, considering thor doesn't really have anything remotely telepathic right now, I will be standing with the stalemate due to combat speed difference.

@princearagorn1: What if Hawkeye, Thor or Iron Man set the surroundings on fire with an explosive ? Edward's lubricated skin which allows him to move easily despite diamond like skin would set alight. That could be a way of taking him down, wouln't be surprised if Tony analysed him and found that weakness, and Thor would do it anyway.

@rogueshadow: "lubricated skin"?

@princearagorn1: Stephenie Meyer said on her website a few years back that that is how the Vampires are able to move despite their diamond like skin and it is why they are vulnerable to Fire, the lubricant is flammable. Whether or not that has been changed or not I don't know, haven't followed the series for years to be honest, I haven't even seen most of the films.

@rogueshadow: Ah.. I have no idea about that. I just read the books..

@princearagorn1: I actually used to be really into it, read all the books, watched the films etc but went off it I don't have any investment in any of the characters... at all, the prose as awful, but I still quite like the lore of it, and the characters are often massively underestimated.

Anyway, don't you think they could simply burn the woods down? He couldn't really put it out, since... well it's everywhere.

Edward can only beat black widow hawkeye and movie cap. No one else why is this thread still going on

@rogueshadow: they could, but I don't see how that changes a lot. Their problem is the combat speed difference. Not geographical disadvantage.. btw, is thor strong in Dark world?

Just saw Thor 2, he could've been killed by an arrow -_-

@supersaiyan_danger: what, no he couldn't

@princearagorn1: Couldn't tell you, haven't seen it yet.

Yes, but... If they set him alight he will be in tremendous pain and they will have an easy chance to take him down. Burn down the woods and Edward is pretty much a goner. Unless he flees.

@supersaiyan_danger: yes he could, Lady Sif saved Thor

Sif, "you should thank me"

@rogueshadow: I think they were used for burning off the separated pieces of vampires, not that they're vulnerable to fire. Because they didn't even have one flamethrower when preparing against vulturi, nor the new borns..

@princearagorn1: Flamethrowers would seem so incongruous in Twilight, lol I can't picture Edward wielding a flamethrower. I'm pretty sure that their only real weakness was fire, cut them up and then burn them. I'm sure I remember them screaming in pain when they got burnt. Plus like I said, SM said they were vulnerable to fire, though I doubt that qualifies as 100% canon until it appears within continuity. I literally haven't read these books since about 2009, so I can't say for sure.

@rogueshadow: I dunno, they only burned vampires after cutting them off, Because the individual pieces kept moving about. I don't remember any vampire being burnt directly.

I hope she introduces Hunters, as well as the Children of the Moon.

@rogueshadow: hunters seem impossible, but I wouldn't mind a real werewolf solo'ing the cullens..

@princearagorn1: I thought so too, but the possibility of enhanced humans via mysticism or science [a la Alexander Anderson] seems possible. Any human would stand 0 chance.

@supersaiyan_danger: how could an arrow kill him when a huge boulder didnt

Edward has no offensive telepathic capability.

That wasn't the debate, it was whether or not he could predict Thor's actions and therefore potentially dodge his lightning.

@thegreat4u: Because:

one is a blunt force extended over a large area, when an arrow is a small precise weapon that applies pressure per square inch.

So by this logic, a bullet could kill Thor but he may survive a casual hit from a superhuman (class 50-100).

@supersaiyan_danger: I find it hard to believe that Thor can take a boulder and a battering from one of Malekith Aether-empowered henchmen and he was still standing so an arrow to back of the head should do 0 damage IMO

@thegreat4u: a bullet can apply up to 30,000 psi just by being small and moving fast. This is an object with its mass dispersed over an area and its speculation what the object is made of, it's mass, and if the feat wasn't affected by the gravity field which would all make it less impressive.

@supersaiyan_danger: but its an arrow not a bullet

@thegreat4u: Same concept different result in pressure. Thor's been stabbed by Loki and jumped out of the way of machine gun fire.

This, although Cap would probably lose from everything I'm reading here. (Never read books or seen movies because my wife is awesome and doesn't like that sh*t)

@supersaiyan_danger: but the blade Loki used was asgardian made not just some Radom metal

@thegreat4u: How do you know that? There is nowhere its ever stated its different from "random metal" and it's something most Thor fans try to defend his case about.

Why isn't 2003 Hulk in the MCU?

Stark hits him with a tank missile.

@monsterstomp: It just isn't, the 2008 version is a reboot because Ang Lee f*cked up, although I actually liked it.

@rogueshadow: I actually preferred Ang's version. But at the end of Ang's Hulk, Bruce was in Colombia or somewhere likely, which is where it seemed to pick up from in 2008.