all at their prime
Standard rules
J-Man.
Orochimaru
Orochimaru with ease if this is morals on. Jiraya is obviously awesome and gave Pain a good fight but Edo is too much for him. Tsunade can heal herself and probably stay standing a long time, but her damage output is too minimal to trouble the other two. That said, if this is morals on then perhaps Tsunade and Jiraya would double-team Orochimaru and then fight each other after?
Somebody explain to me how Jiraiya with Sage Mode is going to defeat the Eight Branches Technique without sealing?
IIRC in their Sannin fight Orochimaru did appear to have the upperhand against either of them 1o1.
Jiraiya was massively weakened in that fight due to Tsunade drugging him.
@wolverine08: How does that affect the capability of Gamabunta?
We all know this fight is going to end up with them riding upon their summons, and Oro is the most powerful that way.
@wolverine08: How does that affect the capability of Gamabunta?
We all know this fight is going to end up with them riding upon their summons, and Oro is the most powerful that way.
Your original post didn't have any references to summons.
@wolverine08: ...Yes it did?
The Sannin fight = When Jiraiya and Tsunade fought Orochimaru. I think it was episode 90 something in the Naruto anime. Probably one of the most iconic battles in the whole series.
Orochimaru (on top of Manda) was over powering either of them 1o1.
@wolverine08: ...Yes it did?
The Sannin fight = When Jiraiya and Tsunade fought Orochimaru. I think it was episode 90 something in the Naruto anime. Probably one of the most iconic battles in the whole series.
Orochimaru (on top of Manda) was over powering either of them 1o1.
You never mentioned that the point you were trying to get across was that Orochimaru has an advantage due to summons. This was your original post:
IIRC in their Sannin fight Orochimaru did appear to have the upperhand against either of them 1o1.
How is somebody supposed to conclude that you're talking about which summons are better?.......
@wolverine08: Because they used summons in the Legendary Sannin battle.
I said "IIRC in their Sannin fight".
@wolverine08: Because they used summons in the Legendary Sannin battle.
I said "IIRC in their Sannin fight".
You said that Orochimaru(In general) had an upperhand, not anything about summons.
@wolverine08: I said exactly which fight I was referencing. The fight in episode 96 is coined by many fans as "The Legendary Sannin fight".
In that fight, they're upon summons. What else can I say?
@wolverine08: I said exactly which fight I was referencing. The fight in episode 96 is coined by many fans as "The Legendary Sannin fight".
In that fight, they're upon summons. What else can I say?
You never really made it clear that you felt that Orichimaru's advantage during that battle was due to his summon, at all. I couldn't really assume so because that fight had other factors to it besides summons.
@wolverine08: I'm not seeing what you're accomplishing here.
I get it that you were confused, that's why I cleared it up for you in the second post I made. Why are you still on about this?
Do you want to actually debate?
Tsunade is a non-factor here, Orochimaru (without edo-tensei) versus Jiraya is probably a stalement, Orochimaru with edo tensei murder stomps.
Pretty insulting when you consider that she could one hit KO Jiraya.
IIRC in their Sannin fight Orochimaru did appear to have the upperhand against either of them 1o1.
Jiraiya was massively weakened in that fight due to Tsunade drugging him.
And orochimaru couldn't use his arms..
IIRC in their Sannin fight Orochimaru did appear to have the upperhand against either of them 1o1.
Jiraiya was massively weakened in that fight due to Tsunade drugging him.
And orochimaru couldn't use his arms..
True.
Jiraya was almost killed by 4 tail Naruto, Orochimaru beat him up.
Orochimaru took on both other Sanin with no hands.
Orochimaru can turn into an 8 headed snake dragon.
Idk what there is to debate about this lol
Oro wins this. Too versatile. And wouldn't Orochimarus prime be current Oro? Well before being captured in the infinite Tsukiyomi.
Orochimaru was dueling Jiraiya and Tsunade 1 v 2 while his arms were still gone back in part 1, now that hes got them again he stomps. Even with Manda being dead, and in the long run he wins anyway cause can't he just come back from Jugo's curse mark?
According to Kishis rectons Oro probably but in overall I pretty sure its an even match.
Only reason Jiraiya lost to Pain was because he had no knowledge of how the Rinnegan works but he knows Oro & Tsunade
plus dnt 4get Oro can't summon the Hokages just like thy he doesn't have the death reaper mask on him and the hokages would not be at full power they would be at the same level when Oro faught Hiruzen due to the fact tht if they're to strong they would break the edo I.e Tobirama & Hashirama. Plus we dnt know their primes because we really have no feats. I'm pretty sure all 3 were in their primes at different times. Even if u say Oro is in his now. The OP doesn't state he has the Reaper Death Mask meaning he can't summon the Hokages. Maybe summon something else though. But remember they all know each others moves
How I love people.
Jiraiya was almost killed by 4 tailed Naruto while Orochimaru handled it easily! Yes, because we know just how far Jiraiya is willing to go to put down Naruto. Yep, I would wager Jiraiya is the kind of man who would brutally go into Sage Mode and rolfstomp Naruto in the dirt! That is just the kind of character he is! (Sarcasm)
Orochimaru took on the other Sanin with no problem! No... no he didn't. He spent most of the time dodging them, Tsunade was taken out fairly early and Jiraiya was poisoned and was having troubles of his own. Neither Orochimaru nor Jiraiya was having an upper hand in their fight in their conditions.
All at their prime, I assume we aren't using Orochimaru as an Edo Tensei because that would be incredibly... pointless. Edo Tensei is incredibly annoying.
In a straight out brawl, Jiraiya should win thanks to Imperfect Sage Mode, he pushed Pein very far and Pein believed Jiraiya would have beaten him if he knew about his eyes and its abilities.
Orochimaru has shown little, if any, real combat feats on his own that were any impressive. I would put Tsunade with her unleashed chakra as more impressive, but I will give Orochimaru the benefit of the doubt and place him above Tsunade because the author of Naruto seems to hate female characters.
Edo Tensei Orochimaru BS > Jiraiya > Orochimaru > Tsunade.
Wait a minute... Orochimaru isn't even an Edo Tensei!
I knew something smelt fishy. Orochimaru has been full on revived, he is not an Edo Tensei, he does not have unlimited chakra, he is not invincible. The fact he was put in Madara's genjutsu proves this.
Again, Jiraiya > Orochimaru > Tsunade.
None of Orochimaru's few combat feats are near Jiraiya's Sage Mode. The fanwank is strong with Orochimaru.
Jiraya was almost killed by 4 tail Naruto, Orochimaru beat him up.
Orochimaru took on both other Sanin with no hands.
Orochimaru can turn into an 8 headed snake dragon.
Idk what there is to debate about this lol
Jiraiya was surprised by the 4 tail naruto attack and most likely didn't want to hurt him as he had no control over himself, and it was the first time Naruto lost control so he had no knowledge if it's powers either, and Orochimaru didn't do jackshit to 4tail Naruto, it merely once drove him back using that magical sword, then Naruto stood there and didn't give a shit, beating someone up emplies that someone is actually hurt, Naruto wasn't even close to something that can be considered hurt.
According to Kishis rectons Oro probably but in overall I pretty sure its an even match.
Only reason Jiraiya lost to Pain was because he had no knowledge of how the Rinnegan works but he knows Oro & Tsunade
plus dnt 4get Oro can't summon the Hokages just like thy he doesn't have the death reaper mask on him and the hokages would not be at full power they would be at the same level when Oro faught Hiruzen due to the fact tht if they're to strong they would break the edo I.e Tobirama & Hashirama. Plus we dnt know their primes because we really have no feats. I'm pretty sure all 3 were in their primes at different times. Even if u say Oro is in his now. The OP doesn't state he has the Reaper Death Mask meaning he can't summon the Hokages. Maybe summon something else though. But remember they all know each others moves
Imo that was just hyperbole, Jirayia would been raped by Pain's deva path.
Kishi feat wise & without the many retcons
Nagato admitted Jiraiya would have beaten him if he knew about the Rinnegan meaning Jiraiya would've snuck attacked the real Nagato ending the fight. Or used Toads to distract Deva Path while he attacked Deva Path.
Just assuming a strategy of course.
I think Oro is overrated I see u read my previous comment
Kishi feat wise & without the many retcons
Nagato admitted Jiraiya would have beaten him if he knew about the Rinnegan meaning Jiraiya would've snuck attacked the real Nagato ending the fight. Or used Toads to distract Deva Path while he attacked Deva Path.
Just assuming a strategy of course.
I think Oro is overrated I see u read my previous comment
Again just hyperbole, Pain raped everything in Konoha and blew up the hole town single handedly, Beat sagemode Naruto, stalemated a 6 tailed Naruto in beastmode, then in Edotensei pretty much raped Naruto and Bee togheter.
Pain would murderstomp Jirayia with Deva path, it was just hyperbole to overhype Jirayia.
IIRC in their Sannin fight Orochimaru did appear to have the upperhand against either of them 1o1.
tsunade wasnt fighting at full potential and jiraiya was poisoned, thats the only reason he had the upperhand. if we took them all at their prime, it would be a very different fight.
most likely jiraiya would come out on top, but its a really close match if its their primes.
And why can't Oro summon the hokage? Or anyone else? Iirc he no longer should have control problems, since he has the Senju DNA now.
IIRC in their Sannin fight Orochimaru did appear to have the upperhand against either of them 1o1.
tsunade wasnt fighting at full potential and jiraiya was poisoned, thats the only reason he had the upperhand. if we took them all at their prime, it would be a very different fight.
most likely jiraiya would come out on top, but its a really close match if its their primes.
Orochimaru's hands didn't work also. They were all fighting handicapped.
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