both occ and bloodlusted and in their strongest form for a unlimited time who wins? set in hyperbolic time chamber 100 meters apart
tsuna vs naruto
Tsuna. lightspeed blitz. over 300,000 degrees celsius flames IIRC as well.
I'd take your words. Tsuna blitz.
Naruto i don't think Tsuna can tank a Bijuu Dama and he has nowhere near the stamina of Naruto. However Tsuna is way cooler than Naruto who is my third least favorite Naruto character with 1&2 obviously being Sakura and Kakashi.
tsun hes fast enough to evade most attacks, can use is gravity powers to crush naruto or keep him still, can use the zpb to freeze naruto in unmeltable ice, or just absorb narutos attacks getting a 172% incease each time eventually taking him from a multi island buster to a continent buster pretty quickly i see tsuna winning with mid difficulty.
----key:1 flammavolt-1degree Fahrenheit at the lowest
X burner charge - 20k°F 1/5th of
original output (temperature) - Flamma Volt =
Temperature of Flames
http://prntscr.com/3m2185
http://prntscr.com/3m6e3c
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X burner stabilizer soft flames - output at 150k
Flamma volts and rising (goes up to 200k to
stabilize).
http://prntscr.com/3m22ok
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Max X burner Output - 200k FV - temperature as
stated before 200k°F
http://prntscr.com/3m231u
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Single punch measuring 8200 Flamma Volts
http://i.imgur.com/OUff69q.png
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Spanner's Strau Mosca unit has 20k layers of nano- composite armor which are impervious to direct flame attacks
http://prntscr.com/3m47yc
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Zero point breakthrough first edition froze through 16,738 layers of armor on the units instantly
http://prntscr.com/3m4c2m
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Flames Absorbed from the 4 Strau Mosca increases
Tsuna's fighting capability by 172%
http://prntscr.com/3m4dux
So: 8200/100*172 = 14104 Flamma Volt
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King Mosca - 40k layers of nano-composite armor,
200% tougher than Straus Mosca.
http://prntscr.com/3m4hyd
Whereas Tsuna can only increase power 172% from
absorbing flames, King Mosca can increase its
capability 1000% (Straus Mosca is a design based on
Tsuna - lazers from one of those things measure
8200 FV)
http://prntscr.com/3m4ion
Tsuna managed to fry King Mosca with an X burner
done in the air that wasn't yet perfected
http://prntscr.com/3m4n9y
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Dying Will Mode naturally increases Tsuna's
physical strength where he can easily shatter metal
handcuffs to break free.
http://prntscr.com/3m56xz
http://prntscr.com/3m57g0
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Even if Naruto makes a zillion clones of himself,
using his Hyper intuition, Tsuna can see which is
the real one.
http://prntscr.com/3m5xeh
http://prntscr.com/3m5y1j
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X Burner with 200k FV strong enough to go through 3
blocks of reinforced metal cubes, each at least
3.8km in size, thats not even the full length of
the cubes (this is assuming the figure is given in
meters.)
http://prntscr.com/3m66d0
http://prntscr.com/3m2l8p
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240k FV X Burner
http://prntscr.com/3m6k6m
http://prntscr.com/3m6klp
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240k FV X burner went through 4 cubes.
http://prntscr.com/3m6lj8
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An upgraded punch from Tsuna is measured at 300k FV
http://prntscr.com/3m6snk
This is nothing close to potency of what Naruto has
tanked to date. This was a punch enhanced with
Natsu, his box weapon.
This is only an estimate. If he can punch with 300k
FV as opposed to the 8200 FV from before, we can do
a simple cross multiplication to find out just how
much potency his new X Burner at the end of Future
Arc had.
8200 - 200000
300,000 - x
8200(x) = 300,000 x 200,000
x = 60,000,000,000 / 8200
x = 7317073 FV
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With these stats in mind, we can say that Tsuna's XX burner is at least like 14 mil FV as it doubles the output since both hands are used, and the counter balancing soft flames are released from the back of both hands.
by the beginning of the simon family fight tsuna matched enma who defeated tsuna using 1/7th of his full power at the time or about 14% of his power. meaning tsuna got 7 times stronger from there onward before he obtained the oath flame meaning that tsunas max output would be 102439022fv before the oath flame and Ultimate dying will.
7317073×2=14634146fv
14634146×7=102439022fv
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Ultimate Dying Will mode encorporates all this energy into his fists and he is able to strike with the same potency which has to be a 10 times power increase due to the fact that your average strikes are only around 5% of your bodies energy.
102439022×10=1024390220fv
in degrees kelvin this would equal over 569105933.15°k thats over 38 times hotter than our suns core
569105933.15÷15000273.15=37.939704661
now for his destructive capabilities. tsuna destroyed the shimon families island. assuming that the island was the size of Hawaii and that tsuna didn't completely bust it well put him at the base dc of the tsar bomba(57 mt) without the oathflames gravity.
once you add on the gravity abilities to neutron star gravity(lower gravity than a black hole) on the xx burner you would get 7.98e+13 mt in ultimate dying will form.
As for Dying Will Flames they don't burn unless Tsunna wants to. As seen here, Tsuna was touching Mukuro's face with the gloves, doing him no damage except purifying his dark aura. Dying will flames by Tsuna are almost magical in nature. Daemon has not come back after his soul was burned.
Well I believe this is a conclusion tsuna has an adequate amount of fire power.
the fire power combined with the oath flame that can manipulate gravity freely would be more than enough to defeat naruto.
@leo-343: no ability in naruto did that all naruto feats are continent levels are high tier and tsunas abilities exceed anything that naruto has dealt with, peins gravity is weak compared to the suns let along a neutron stars which tsunas gravity can reach the potency of.
if u do have a moon feat other than the sage of the sixth paths then tell me cause i read naruto twice and tsuna has the advantages in every category
Naruto one-shots. Tsuna doesn't even have what it takes to hurt him.
----key:1 flammavolt-1degree Fahrenheit at the lowest
X burner charge - 20k°F 1/5th of
original output (temperature) - Flamma Volt =
Temperature of Flames
http://prntscr.com/3m2185
http://prntscr.com/3m6e3c
----
X burner stabilizer soft flames - output at 150k
Flamma volts and rising (goes up to 200k to
stabilize).
http://prntscr.com/3m22ok
-------
Max X burner Output - 200k FV - temperature as
stated before 200k°F
http://prntscr.com/3m231u
-----
Single punch measuring 8200 Flamma Volts
http://i.imgur.com/OUff69q.png
-----
Spanner's Strau Mosca unit has 20k layers of nano- composite armor which are impervious to direct flame attacks
http://prntscr.com/3m47yc
------
Zero point breakthrough first edition froze through 16,738 layers of armor on the units instantly
http://prntscr.com/3m4c2m
------
Flames Absorbed from the 4 Strau Mosca increases
Tsuna's fighting capability by 172%
http://prntscr.com/3m4dux
So: 8200/100*172 = 14104 Flamma Volt
------
King Mosca - 40k layers of nano-composite armor,
200% tougher than Straus Mosca.
http://prntscr.com/3m4hyd
Whereas Tsuna can only increase power 172% from
absorbing flames, King Mosca can increase its
capability 1000% (Straus Mosca is a design based on
Tsuna - lazers from one of those things measure
8200 FV)
http://prntscr.com/3m4ion
Tsuna managed to fry King Mosca with an X burner
done in the air that wasn't yet perfected
http://prntscr.com/3m4n9y
-------
Dying Will Mode naturally increases Tsuna's
physical strength where he can easily shatter metal
handcuffs to break free.
http://prntscr.com/3m56xz
http://prntscr.com/3m57g0
------
Even if Naruto makes a zillion clones of himself,
using his Hyper intuition, Tsuna can see which is
the real one.
http://prntscr.com/3m5xeh
http://prntscr.com/3m5y1j
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X Burner with 200k FV strong enough to go through 3
blocks of reinforced metal cubes, each at least
3.8km in size, thats not even the full length of
the cubes (this is assuming the figure is given in
meters.)
http://prntscr.com/3m66d0
http://prntscr.com/3m2l8p
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240k FV X Burner
http://prntscr.com/3m6k6m
http://prntscr.com/3m6klp
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240k FV X burner went through 4 cubes.
http://prntscr.com/3m6lj8
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An upgraded punch from Tsuna is measured at 300k FV
http://prntscr.com/3m6snk
This is nothing close to potency of what Naruto has
tanked to date. This was a punch enhanced with
Natsu, his box weapon.
This is only an estimate. If he can punch with 300k
FV as opposed to the 8200 FV from before, we can do
a simple cross multiplication to find out just how
much potency his new X Burner at the end of Future
Arc had.
8200 - 200000
300,000 - x
8200(x) = 300,000 x 200,000
x = 60,000,000,000 / 8200
x = 7317073 FV
------
With these stats in mind, we can say that Tsuna's XX burner is at least like 14 mil FV as it doubles the output since both hands are used, and the counter balancing soft flames are released from the back of both hands.
by the beginning of the simon family fight tsuna matched enma who defeated tsuna using 1/7th of his full power at the time or about 14% of his power. meaning tsuna got 7 times stronger from there onward before he obtained the oath flame meaning that tsunas max output would be 102439022fv before the oath flame and Ultimate dying will.
7317073×2=14634146fv
14634146×7=102439022fv
------
Ultimate Dying Will mode encorporates all this energy into his fists and he is able to strike with the same potency which has to be a 10 times power increase due to the fact that your average strikes are only around 5% of your bodies energy.
102439022×10=1024390220fv
in degrees kelvin this would equal over 569105933.15°k thats over 38 times hotter than our suns core
569105933.15÷15000273.15=37.939704661
now for his destructive capabilities. tsuna destroyed the shimon families island. assuming that the island was the size of Hawaii and that tsuna didn't completely bust it well put him at the base dc of the tsar bomba(57 mt) without the oathflames gravity.
once you add on the gravity abilities to neutron star gravity(lower gravity than a black hole) on the xx burner you would get 7.98e+13 mt in ultimate dying will form.
As for Dying Will Flames they don't burn unless Tsunna wants to. As seen here, Tsuna was touching Mukuro's face with the gloves, doing him no damage except purifying his dark aura. Dying will flames by Tsuna are almost magical in nature. Daemon has not come back after his soul was burned.
Well I believe this is a conclusion tsuna has an adequate amount of fire power.
the fire power combined with the oath flame that can manipulate gravity freely would be more than enough to defeat naruto.
I never thought I'd ever see so much wank and bullshit in just one post. You deserve a salute.
@mudamudamuda: u didn't read it did u narutos never tanked anything even close to the suns core temperature or taken a 7.98e+13 mt blast to his face tsuna basically 2.66 times moon level.
it takes 30 trillion mt to take out the moon
7.98e13/3e13=2.66
tsuna takes this with his higher reaction speed, higher combat speed in flight and higher amount of fire power.
tsuna takes this in multiple ways
@dccomicsrule2011: exactly
@mudamudamuda: u didn't read it did u narutos never tanked anything even close to the suns core temperature or taken a 7.98e+13 mt blast to his face tsuna basically 2.66 times moon level.
it takes 30 trillion mt to take out the moon
7.98e13/3e13=2.66
tsuna takes this with his higher reaction speed, higher combat speed in flight and higher amount of fire power.
tsuna takes this in multiple ways
1) Tsuna's flames aren't even real flames, they are life force waves.
2) The flames temperature is unknown. The unity of measure used in the manga is Fiamma Volt not Celsius of Fahrenheit, and any attempt at converting FV into C or F is nothing more than a baseless assumption. So get that sun level temperature wank out of here.
3) 2.66 times moon level ? LMAO This is Tsuna's best damage output feat :
That's not even close to what Naruto can dish out so get that BS fancalc wank out of here.
4) Bermuda claims about him moving at the speed of light aren't anymore believable that Haku or Obito's similar claims, which is to say that they aren't.
Naruto has far better damage output feats, durability feats, reaction time feats as well as versatility. He stomps and the only way for you to claim otherwise is either by massively wanking tsuna, massively downplaying naruto or possibly both at the same time.
@mudamudamuda: he did that without the oath flame...... i said with the oath flames gravity stacked onto the xx burner and the ultimate dying will mode it would be higher than moon level so your claim with the xx burner is correct if he isn't using either of those which he will because hes bloid lusted. bermudas short warp ability allowed him to teleport instantly and by using the teleportation gates to propell himself reached light speed, not debunkable.... read the whole calc before you say things cause if ur gonna try to debunk it u gotta choose specific points to pic it apart at
haku was lightspeed while using that jutsu only while in it but her needles where not se sasuke following the attack pattern and dodgung the needles using the sharingan wouldn't be an impressive feat anyway.
@mudamudamuda: he did that without the oath flame...... i said with the oath flames gravity stacked onto the xx burner and the ultimate dying will mode it would be higher than moon level so your claim with the xx burner is correct if he isn't using either of those which he will because hes bloid lusted.
Like I said, just assumptions. That's the best feat we have ever seen from Tsuna claiming that he can do things he has never done and destroy things he never ever came close to destroying is poor quality wank. This isn't even debatable.
bermudas short warp ability allowed him to teleport instantly and by using the teleportation gates to propell himself reached light speed, not debunkable....
Empty statements about him going light speed does not make him light speed. Unless you also take Haku and Obito's claims as legit in which case Naruto still speed Blitz stomps.
read the whole calc before you say things cause if ur gonna try to debunk it u gotta choose specific points to pic it apart at.
LOL why would I have to ? Your calcs are fan made, non-canon and irrelevant. I can provide calcs putting Naruto at light speed and calcs putting Goku at mach 2, that doesn't make either true.
haku was lightspeed while using that jutsu only while in it but her needles where not se sasuke following the attack pattern and dodgung the needles using the sharingan wouldn't be an impressive feat anyway.
Light speed BoS Sasuke confirmed ! :)
@mudamudamuda: he dodged the needles which weren't light speed no haku was moving at lightspeed his weapons weren't
my calcs match the continuity of the series by feats and appkying physics to them tbat don't shatter the mangas plausibility. tsuna is for a fact without calcs faster(instantaneous reactions by feats and mhs without the bermuda n blackhole feats) and hes the clear winner in multiple ways. naruto would see the zpb coming neither would he see a full speed buring axle hitting him either. tsunas hyper intuition,superior combat speed and hax gravity abilities would defeat naruto with my calc disregarded.
(goku could be clocked in at mach 2 at one point or 170 times ftl at others it depends on the situation and point in the dragonball timeline. the calcs would be useless unless they correspond with the manga same for mine or anything others)
@mudamudamuda: he dodged the needles which weren't light speed no haku was moving at lightspeed his weapons weren't
He dodged Haku. Haku was in a mirror above Sasuke before attacking then in some lower mirror after the attack.
my calcs match the continuity of the series by feats and appkying physics to them tbat don't shatter the mangas plausibility.
The manga's physics have nothing to do with actual physics. At some point someone was spawning supposed black holes and the planet was just fine. Again, your calcs are assumptions, non-canon and irrelevant. Tsuna has never busted anything remotely close to moon sized.
tsuna is for a fact without calcs faster(instantaneous reactions by feats and mhs without the bermuda n blackhole feats)
There is no such a thing as instantaneous reactions... That's not even a thing.
and hes the clear winner in multiple ways.
Nothing you said proves Tsuna being faster, stronger or more durable than Naruto all you are doing is over-wanking him and claiming he can do thing he never ever done.
naruto would see the zpb coming neither would he see a full speed buring axle hitting him either. tsunas hyper intuition,superior combat speed and hax gravity abilities would defeat naruto with my calc disregarded.
No he wouldn't. Tsuna doesn't have what it takes to hurt Naruto. He can't even tank a single Bijuu bomb and Naruto could just fly into outer space and nuke him from orbit.
(goku could be clocked in at mach 2 at one point or 170 times ftl at others it depends on the situation and point in the dragonball timeline. the calcs would be useless unless they correspond with the manga same for mine or anything others)
No calc ever corresponds with the manga, any calc you or anyone else makes remains a futile attempt at quantifying something that isn't even meant to be quantified if you love fancalcs so much then go back to the OBD, this is comic vine.
So basically it comes down to low balling tsuna and saying he not light speed, in which naruto stomp, or tsuna is faster than light and proceed to use zero point to freeze naruto. Going with Tsuna to be honest, since the speed gap is too high,
*Sigh* FTL nonsense aside, Zero point break through freezes dying will flames, Naruto does not use dying will flames so that's useless.
Incorrect. Tsuna has used Zeropoint Breakthrough to freeze ordinary water. The anime/manga never put any limitation on the ability.
So yes, it can and will freeze Naruto.
Naruto wins because TSB, dc, biju kkg (why do people forget this?) and versatility. I give speed to Tsuna though he will die.
Those who say Tsuna is FTL and his flames (which is not actual fire) are hotter then the sun not remembering since they are fiamma volts which are basically power levels not temperature. Then this gif is very relevant
Tsuna can't really freeze Naruto because steam release and lava release. Nor can Tsuna really touch him because Ashura Kurama is a thing and Naruto can just make lots chakra limbs to smack Tsuna around, and TSB nuff said.
@mudamudamuda I have to say you avatar is just beautiful, because of it I imagine Jospeh with all the abilities of Naruto. And I love it.
Tsuna can't really freeze Naruto because steam release and lava release.
Nothing sans Dying Will Flames can melt Zeropoint Breakthrough as far as we know. Steam and Lava won't really do anything to it.
Nor can Tsuna really touch him because Ashura Kurama is a thing and Naruto can just make lots chakra limbs to smack Tsuna around, and TSB
You have a point here though. The only way Tsuna can pull of a win here is if he can get close enough to finish him off with ZPB without getting rag-dolled. To put it simply, Naruto is just in another class of power at this point; Tsuna is High Tier mid-level - Naruto is low-tier High.
Tsuna can't really freeze Naruto because steam release and lava release.
Nothing sans Dying Will Flames can melt Zeropoint Breakthrough as far as we know. Steam and Lava won't really do anything to it.
I should have phrased it better he needs to go near Naruto, however if Naruto starts using steam and lava release it might be too hot for Tsuna to handle since he does not really have many heat resistance feats since the flames are actually wave energy or life force or whatever not real fire the only one with a heat resistance feat I could remember from reborn is Zakuro.
Incorrect. Tsuna has used Zeropoint Breakthrough to freeze ordinary water.
Did he really ? My bad, then, even though I don't remember this happening.
@mudamudamuda I have to say you avatar is just beautiful, because of it I imagine Jospeh with all the abilities of Naruto. And I love it.
Thanks lol
Joseph as Naruto would solo the entire Narutoverse with a basic Rasengan thanks to his troll strategies Lmao (Next you are going to say "Believe it!")
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