Trigon vs Shuma Gorath/Galactus/Classic Dr Strange

Round 1: Outside Shuma's realm

Round 2: Inside Shuma's realm

@hunterxon: What version of Trigon?

Classic Strange doesn't belong here

trigon

@newblood2333: Classic starnge is a powerhouse. Probably the weakest out of everyone (I remeber seeing somthing about how powerful Shuma is but not sure) but should still have an affect on the battle.

@comicdude360: there is absolutely nothing he can do here, that Shuma wouldn't be able to outclass tenfold. He's not needed. That's why the statement was said.

Shuma Gorath solo's, the others make it a stomp.

Trigon wins the first round . CLassic Trigon is univerasal+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

@mysticmedivh: Classic Trigon

Round 2 is a stomp, inside Shuma's realm there's no way he can win. I think Trigon loses Round 1 too.

Shuma takes both.

This is off-topic, but why didn't TOAA or LT or anyone stop Sise-Neg from destroying all of Marvel?

Galactus or Classic Shuma could defeat Trigon solo.

This Trigon fanwankery is getting ridiculous.

Trigon Round 1. Team Round 2.

Still a Curbstomp, Shuma Gorath solo's.

Shuma or Galactus solo

Trigon wins both rounds easily

Cancerous battle. Shuma stomps trigon.

Classic Strange alone would probably lose in a decent fight. Galactus would narrowly beat Trigon solo. Shuma is even more powerful than Galactus. All 3 of them together would be a WTF mega stomp. It would probably be more fair if it was Classic Strange/Shuma vs Trigon/Galactus.

Shuma & Galactus are stronger than Trigon... I'd put Trigon on Dormammu's level. I'm sure Classic Strange would have an answer for Trigon.

Shuma solos.

Shuma and Galan could solo

Trigon win this, only question is how much difficult will be, not who's thew winner. He had taken over and/or sucked dry of life or souls multiple universes and dimensions already.

Here are his sons, who are obviously not near as powerful as he is (and not even at Raven level)

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They have an omni-dimensional nexus on the back of their casino, and have a good time playing cards in a spot where several million universes collide around and through them. Thats an insane, mind blowing quantity of energies and forces they control and withstand without a problem, and even Phantom Stranger find very difficult to move around there.

Trigon son even told him that if he make a mistake there not even his master (who is the Voice/the Presence) can save him.

And as we mentioned the Presence (the TOAA equivalent in DC) we see that Trigon (and Raven as she is involved) is so powerful and important that the Presence made deals with him (Stranger imply that he tricking Raven to be captured was for a greater good, probably believing she will eventually bring down Trigon)

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I don't know who else is that important to have the Presence/TOAA making deals with him/her

So I am assuming we're using Classic Trigon Correct?

I see, I know Trigon very rarely appears , and most of his doing is of statements but ...

when the Monitor states " That Trigon is in the same power tier as the Spectre ",

who is Multi-universal , and recreated DCU . Yes, many of you're going to say

that the Spectre lost to AM , but note he only lost because the Anti Monitor had drawn

upon all the power of heroes left in the Multiverse. Having said that the Spectre was then

KO'd , by the bloody Multiverse itself exploding .

Having said this , even within a weakened state Trigon , claimed to be able to destroy a universe at 1/10th .

Trigon is quite well known as a massive threat , that even Micheal banned Raven from enetering SC , because she is the daughter of Trigon .

This Fight will be Trigon vs Shuma , which will result in Trigon soloing .

Gallery

-Ley

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@thevoidofdeath: Trigon soloing? That's very unlikely to happen.

It's already debatable his superiority over Dormammu alone...Let alone Shuma-Gorath. Even if we count statements, Dormammu has been mentioned two times to become more powerful than the Celestial race itself once fully manifested in the Earth-Dimension/616( Something that I consider far more impressive than Trigon supposedly being at Spectre's level) and the Dread One recently got defeated by Shuma quite easily.

@laylah: the Dread One recently got defeated by Shuma quite easily.

Did he? Scans, pls.

On topic: Trigon dies, especially if this is Lifebringer Galactus.

@wollfmyth209 said:

Here:

Just like a tiny rat against a big cat. Dormammu looked extremely helpless, so that's why I said "defeated".

composite trigon?

he stomps

or what version?

@laylah: Hmm, is that all? Because Shuma just grappling him doesn't seem like enough to say he was defeated quite easily.

Also, what comic is that from?

@wollfmyth209 said:

The story and the artwork hint that Dormammu was completely helpless against Shuma after being banished, so that's why I said defeated. We didn't hear more about him later as well.

Doctor Strange Vol.4#16.

@laylah:

Hey Laylah,

sorry I am not good at replying Via mobile it's kind of a messy format to look at when responding lol.

P.s I love Dormammu to respond to your other thread I thought he had eternities power, but if not then him and more loose.

Which version of Galactus are we using here, because it's going to be Trigon vs Galactus? Shuma Gorath has been beaten inside his realm, and outside his realm. If he were truly "omnipotent" he wouldn;t have been defeated. Trigon, on the other hand, doesn't make appearances he just appears in the comics, because Raven his most powerful child happens to be there. Off panel Trigon has indeed destroyed universes and drained billions of souls which in reality contained several universes. Having said this Trigon at his weakest 1/10th power in a shadowed state went onto to state that he was able to destroy a universe on a whim ( That's impressive) P.S We've already established in multiple threads that Trigon wins against Shuma.

Raven his vessel was able to explain that Trigon destroyed universe after universe, we've seen Raven the girl does not lie. The writer of this book went on to state he's destroyed universes, there scans of him destroying /absorbing outside_85 has provided them constant times. I'll state it again Trigon cannot die and destroys universes for fun because he feels like it. The only thing that seems to be able to defeat Trigon as of now is Raven, because she has his powers /azars powers, and is his kryptonite. Raven is nowhere in this battle, and Azarath is destroyed so there is nothing left. Galactus / Shuma are not going to kidnap Raven and ask her to banish her father. The Monitor couldn't even find Raven so how are they going to find her? The Monitor himself stated that he is indeed in power level with Spectre, he didn't just state it he read the energy /power levels.

Ley :)

Shuma can solo

@thevoidofdeath: Which version of Galactus are we using here, because it's going to be Trigon vs Galactus? Shuma Gorath has been beaten inside his realm, and outside his realm. If he were truly "omnipotent" he wouldn;t have been defeated. Trigon, on the other hand, doesn't make appearances he just appears in the comics, because Raven his most powerful child happens to be there. Off panel Trigon has indeed destroyed universes and drained billions of souls which in reality contained several universes. Having said this Trigon at his weakest 1/10th power in a shadowed state went onto to state that he was able to destroy a universe on a whim ( That's impressive) P.S We've already established in multiple threads that Trigon wins against Shuma.

ComicVine's rules stipulates the current version unless the OP says otherwise, so I assume is the Lifebringer Galactus( But this thread was created before his first appearance, so there's that) Now saying that Shuma got beaten inside of his realm by letting all the context out of it is a tremendous oversimplification of the facts and quite frankly, I would say your entire logic would fall into the category of Reductio ad absurdum. Strange was only able to beat Shuma because not only had all of Arioch's power( Which were described as limitless and infinite) but was also becoming Shuma itself during the entire process( Making Gorath fight against itself in this case). I never claimed that Shuma is omnipotent inside his realm and doesn't need to in order to defeat Trigon. Dormammu's henchmen have better feats than those. Ranging from Helleyes creating a thousand of universes or Satannish almost destroying the 616 even countless of universes away. All of those feats are simply statements as well, Dormammu has absorbed countless universes with Umar and was destroying one (All on-panel), but Shuma is far above him in power. Heck...Dormmie destroyed Eternity's essence, which could arguably be the multiverse itself. You're basing the outcome in Argumentum ad populum by using those threads. Not every user is knowledgeable about the individuals in this battle and so not every opinion should be regarded as a determinant factor or even used as undeniable/unquestionable proof.

Raven his vessel was able to explain that Trigon destroyed universe after universe, we've seen Raven the girl does not lie. The writer of this book went on to state he's destroyed universes, there scans of him destroying /absorbing outside_85 has provided them constant times. I'll state it again Trigon cannot die and destroys universes for fun because he feels like it. The only thing that seems to be able to defeat Trigon as of now is Raven, because she has his powers /azars powers, and is his kryptonite. Raven is nowhere in this battle, and Azarath is destroyed so there is nothing left. Galactus / Shuma are not going to kidnap Raven and ask her to banish her father. The Monitor couldn't even find Raven so how are they going to find her? The Monitor himself stated that he is indeed in power level with Spectre, he didn't just state it he read the energy /power levels.

What kind of bad logic is this, friend? Only Raven can destroy Trigon now? So guys like TOAA, LT and other can't? I would say that's a very fallacious assumption and pretty much unbacked. I'm not questioning the validity of Trigon's feats at all, although I don't see why they would make him capable of soloing everyone here when even a weaker character compared to one of the combatants could match him in power. They don't need to kidnap Raven...Only overpower Trigon through superior might would suffice in the BF anyway.

Hey Laylah,

sorry I am not good at replying Via mobile it's kind of a messy format to look at when responding lol.

No biggie. Lol.

Seeing Trigon sons abilities and powers and then scale them up to Trigon (who is more powerful than them) and I think he is already well above the team possibilities to put him down.

Maybe in round 2, working together, to somehow push him out of their realm, but even that is very debatable.

Seeing how the Presence himself have made deals with Trigon regarding Raven is another confirmation of his powers and importance, way above the others.

Trigon might very well be from some realm outside the DC multiverse, and to be the main power there, and even if not as powerful as the Presence he is powerful enough to be recognized as a significant threat that requires in some circumstances the involvement of the Presence himself when dealing with him.

As the Monitor (and I think the Anti-Monitor too) couldn't find any trace of Raven (who inherit a lot of powers from her father) when he looked for her it means that either Raven was in some realm outside his knowledge and abilities to find, either she have such powerful hax that she can make herself invisible even to someone like the Monitors.

@totu said:

If you're really going as far to scale Trigon from the Presence(Which can't even be applied here since the OP didn't allow the 52 anyway), then I don't see why the same can't be done with Shuma-Gorath and a somewhat equally powerful being such as Sise-Neg/Genesis himself( Who supposedly became the god of all Marvel and its beings).

@laylah:

Hadn't Dorms just been hit by a Dimension's worth of magic before he encountered Shuma?

@spideyjust said:

Yup.

Not that makes much of a difference. Shuma was also heavily attacked by the Empirikul and even the Imperator himself( You can see the damage on Shuma), so this makes both of them even.

Team take this after a fight in round 1

Team murderstomp in round 2

Gorath only factor

Interesting fight

Important to know that trigon has been screwed over by pc darkseid who is arguably a Celestial-Galactus leveled being.

What i find funny i people saying Galactus full powered can take GRS darkseid, who absorbed the powers of mordru, time trapper and trigon..

@xxgin:

Gorath only factor

Why isn't Galan one?

Important to know that trigon has been screwed over by pc darkseid

Scans?

who is arguably a Celestial-Galactus leveled being.

Not even close.

who absorbed the powers of mordru,

Weakened Mordru.

and trigon..

Scans?

@laylah:

@outside_85

@masterkungfupanda

Wait wait before I respond to the text above ( I'm mobile lol ) you said op versions does this mean Trigon who stalemated Mxy ?

@thevoidofdeath said:

Of course not. Look below:

Not Injustice Trigon or New 52 Trigon, so I don't know why users are so eager to go against the stipulations of the OP.

@laylah:

What would stop Trigon from consuming Shuma Gorath Dimension , as like he did with his very own . As far as we know outside_85 said that it's a sentinet dimension( Gorath) .

Zom and Cyttorak would own Trigon as well

And while amped by several mystical artifacts from across the universe.

@thevoidofdeath: Which Dimension lol, If I remember correctly Shuma owns 100s if not more

@thevoidofdeath said:

Why do you think that Trigon would even survive long enough for that? And in the middle of a battle with two beings arguably more powerful than him attacking constantly? Especially considering the circumstances? How would Trigon know that information to begin with? You need to travel through a myriad of lower dimensions/universes before getting in the Chaos Dimension as Stephen did and each of them has one of his lieutenants to defend it( Even though they aren't even as powerful as Trigon), so won't be that easy and I'm pretty sure everyone here would follow him as well. That logic would also open new strategies for Shuma then. What would stop Gorath from calling the Galactus Engine and annihilating Trigon right in the spot? Or the entire Many Angled-Ones? Even if Trigon somehow absorbed his dimension( Which would be basically removing himself from the battlefield and thus against the rules IIRC), Shuma won't be entirely killed and could still call the help that I mentioned above. Besides...Killing Shuma transforms you into him the guy himself, which means that losing isn't a option.

• What makes you think any of this opponents have what it takes to put him down when nothing else has?
• Who? Galactus was never in Trigon's ballpark to begin with, and Shuma is nothing but a sentient buffet table and even Classic Strange more often than not had to resort to guile and subterfuge rather than sheer power.
• Why would he need to know something like this beforehand?
• Each of which, if consumed, would just make Trigon even more powerful.
• If a live Galactus is not a match for Trigon, why would a dead one be?
• Could also ask whats there to stop Trigon from summoning his own armies?
• He doesn't need to be inside the dimension he absorbs.
• Considering the shortage of people actually capable of doing this, it remains to be seen if thats always the case.