Toxin vs Captain Marvel

"ecsnclr said:

"Rhino is mega strong he did knock Hulk out cold with his charge

but to the point Toxin wins this no swet"

That is completely ridiculous.Someone who can't beat Misty Knight dropping the Hulk is like Storm hurting Thor with lightning."

"ecsnclr said:

"Rhino is mega strong he did knock Hulk out cold with his charge

but to the point Toxin wins this no swet"

That is completely ridiculous.Someone who can't beat Misty Knight dropping the Hulk is like Storm hurting Thor with lightning."

"Vance Astro said:

"Nobody said: Noh-Varr was also genetically engineered as a weapon for the Kree.He was trained to be a warrior.Toxin just stumbled upon a symbiote.Who do you think..by default will have better showings? The things is..you are only dwelling on the low end feats of Toxin and you fail to mention instances in comics that he has been in where he's shown he could compete with someone like Noh-Varr."

Which showing is that? The one where he threw Toxin? Cause anybody would super strength could do that. Carnage only weighs about 200 lbs. Which feat are you talking about that shows he could hang with Noh-Varr?"

"Nobody said:

"Vance Astro said:

"Nobody said: Noh-Varr was also genetically engineered as a weapon for the Kree.He was trained to be a warrior.Toxin just stumbled upon a symbiote.Who do you think..by default will have better showings? The things is..you are only dwelling on the low end feats of Toxin and you fail to mention instances in comics that he has been in where he's shown he could compete with someone like Noh-Varr."

Which showing is that? The one where he threw Toxin? Cause anybody would super strength could do that. Carnage only weighs about 200 lbs. Which feat are you talking about that shows he could hang with Noh-Varr?"

Taking on Carnage..that is what I am talking about.I'm not saying him throwing Carnage is the feat...fighting him in the first place is the feat.He actually caused Carnage some pain.Yet you still seem to believe that Toxin would really have trouble with King Cobra who has nowhere near super strength,Razorfist whom has been knocked out in one panel by more than one street leveler,and Spider-Man whom never beat Venom or Carnage straight up.Oh yea..Carnage's speed is superhuman as well and Toxin had no problem getting his hands on him."

Alright I just went through the Venom vs Carnage comics again. So Patrick besides that throw, which was stated anybody would super strength could do, Patrick did go fight Carnage once. Carnage had the upper hand in the fight until Toxin started choking him and he passed out. I'm guessing this is something that works on symbiotes since Toxin almost passed out when Cobra was choking him. Then next time Patrick fought either Venom or Carnage, they owned him. He was going to die until Black Cat and Spider-Man showed up and started fighitng the two. That gave Toxin enough time to get up and hit carnage a couple times and they ran off. He didn't really beat either of them at the time. So for feats in that series, I'll give him the choking thing. I don't think Noh-Varr would have been able to choke Carnage till he passed out. There was also a scene where Toxin ripped the ground up, kinda impressive, but Noh-Varr cause a lot more damage in his mini series.

"Alright I just went through the Venom vs Carnage comics again. So Patrick besides that throw, which was stated anybody would super strength could do, Patrick did go fight Carnage once. Carnage had the upper hand in the fight until Toxin started choking him and he passed out. I'm guessing this is something that works on symbiotes since Toxin almost passed out when Cobra was choking him. Then next time Patrick fought either Venom or Carnage, they owned him. He was going to die until Black Cat and Spider-Man showed up and started fighitng the two. That gave Toxin enough time to get up and hit carnage a couple times and they ran off. He didn't really beat either of them at the time. So for feats in that series, I'll give him the choking thing. I don't think Noh-Varr would have been able to choke Carnage till he passed out. There was also a scene where Toxin ripped the ground up, kinda impressive, but Noh-Varr cause a lot more damage in his mini series."

1. I said anybody with super strength could throw Carnage, thats not really a feat. The fact that stories haven't allowed a chance for someone else to grab him the way Toxin did, doesn't defeat that fact that Carnage only weights 200 lbs ish. Captain America could have thrown him out of the bulding if he got a good grip on him like that. My whole problem with that scene is that Carange didn't fight back. Toxin is swinging him around and Carange just sits there. They shown no attempt for him to try and stop Toxin from doing that too him.
2. I said Toxin choked Carange, makes sense that someone else could have done it to Toxin. As for Cobra, that is still debable, for feats wise.
3. Ok
4. Actually, Noh-Varr wears a protective armor suit that is lined with a flexible alien metal. This suit also morphs, how much is unknown but in the past he made thick shoulder pads and a helmet. As for being smothered, that just gives him a better shot with his plasma gun, which is part of his suit. So I don't see that working on him.
5. Noh-Varr still has his fingernails which should easily cut through the symbiote. You even said yourself they can be cut.

"1. I said anybody with super strength could throw Carnage, thats not really a feat. The fact that stories haven't allowed a chance for someone else to grab him the way Toxin did, doesn't defeat that fact that Carnage only weights 200 lbs ish. Captain America could have thrown him out of the bulding if he got a good grip on him like that. My whole problem with that scene is that Carange didn't fight back. Toxin is swinging him around and Carange just sits there. They shown no attempt for him to try and stop Toxin from doing that too him.
2. I said Toxin choked Carange, makes sense that someone else could have done it to Toxin. As for Cobra, that is still debable, for feats wise.
3. Ok
4. Actually, Noh-Varr wears a protective armor suit that is lined with a flexible alien metal. This suit also morphs, how much is unknown but in the past he made thick shoulder pads and a helmet. As for being smothered, that just gives him a better shot with his plasma gun, which is part of his suit. So I don't see that working on him.
5. Noh-Varr still has his fingernails which should easily cut through the symbiote. You even said yourself they can be cut."

1. Carnage can create tendrils which he can manipulate. He could have easily reached out and held on to Toxin until he stopped. As for hanging with Carnage, it depends what you consider hanging with him. I mean I guess choking him counts. But other than that Carnage ran off as soon as the battle acutally began a battle.
2. I've never seen it stated anywhere in his comics that say he is class 50. In fact in the comics it didn't even say Toxin was stronger than Venom or Carnage. And it sure didn't show that he was stronger than either. As for Cobra choking him, if you can get the right leverage on someone it would be hard to shake them off. My main point really was that it was possible for it to happen, Cobra in the end did lose.
4. As I stated Noh-Varr could just blast the symbiote off him if he got that close.
5. If that was the case, why didn't Carnage just get back up when he got choked. Why didn't get back up when Venom had him get hit by the train(Venom vs Carnage). Why did Venom take so long to catch back up to Carnage when he said he had to stop and catch his breath so he could heal. It does make a difference. There healing factor isn't even as good as Wolverine, who gets hurt all the time.

"1. Carnage can create tendrils which he can manipulate. He could have easily reached out and held on to Toxin until he stopped. As for hanging with Carnage, it depends what you consider hanging with him. I mean I guess choking him counts. But other than that Carnage ran off as soon as the battle acutally began a battle.
2. I've never seen it stated anywhere in his comics that say he is class 50. In fact in the comics it didn't even say Toxin was stronger than Venom or Carnage. And it sure didn't show that he was stronger than either. As for Cobra choking him, if you can get the right leverage on someone it would be hard to shake them off. My main point really was that it was possible for it to happen, Cobra in the end did lose.
4. As I stated Noh-Varr could just blast the symbiote off him if he got that close.
5. If that was the case, why didn't Carnage just get back up when he got choked. Why didn't get back up when Venom had him get hit by the train(Venom vs Carnage). Why did Venom take so long to catch back up to Carnage when he said he had to stop and catch his breath so he could heal. It does make a difference. There healing factor isn't even as good as Wolverine, who gets hurt all the time."

wow.....

1. Strength should have nothing to do with how he was swinging him. He was spinning him in circles, the only strength he needed as grip strength the force moving him around was the speed he was turning.
2. Like I said, we are basing Toxin off of nothing but what a handbook shows.
3. There is no reason that it shouldn't. His plasma gun has done more damage than what Toxin has been shown to take.
4. Still doesn't explain why Carnage and Venom could just get right back up and fight again.

@Strafe: Not to be rude, but what are you posting for? I don't mind you posting if you are bring up points, but posts like "Wow..." just take up room and add nothing. If you have evidence to show anything backing Toxin let me know.

@Strafe: Not to be rude, but what are you posting for? I don't mind you posting if you are bring up points, but posts like "Wow..." just take up room and add nothing. If you have evidence to show anything backing Toxin let me know."

"Nobody said:

@Strafe: Not to be rude, but what are you posting for? I don't mind you posting if you are bring up points, but posts like "Wow..." just take up room and add nothing. If you have evidence to show anything backing Toxin let me know."

I was posting to let you know i was reading still. I said wow because i couldn't have keep up with what was being said in the Debate because i am pretty new to comics still. No offense taken, i understand. I will. I want to re read my Toxin mini though. After that i will debate more."

"1. Strength should have nothing to do with how he was swinging him. He was spinning him in circles, the only strength he needed as grip strength the force moving him around was the speed he was turning.
2. Like I said, we are basing Toxin off of nothing but what a handbook shows.
3. There is no reason that it shouldn't. His plasma gun has done more damage than what Toxin has been shown to take.
4. Still doesn't explain why Carnage and Venom could just get right back up and fight again.

@Strafe: Not to be rude, but what are you posting for? I don't mind you posting if you are bring up points, but posts like "Wow..." just take up room and add nothing. If you have evidence to show anything backing Toxin let me know."

"Strafe Prower said:

"Nobody said:

@Strafe: Not to be rude, but what are you posting for? I don't mind you posting if you are bring up points, but posts like "Wow..." just take up room and add nothing. If you have evidence to show anything backing Toxin let me know."

I was posting to let you know i was reading still. I said wow because i couldn't have keep up with what was being said in the Debate because i am pretty new to comics still. No offense taken, i understand. I will. I want to re read my Toxin mini though. After that i will debate more."

Its ok, I don't mind you posting, it would just be nice if something was added in your post. You know?"

1. I don't see it like that. It seemed just like in the Toxin mini. Toxin grabs Wrecker by the throat and the only think Wrecker does is say, "Hit him".
2. As I said, maybe if he showed feats those levels. But I haven't seen it. Spider-Man was hanging with Carnage and Venom and he is about the same level of strength as Noh-Varr(Noh-Varr's real level isn't stated but he is a 4 like Spidey). In fact Venom was trying to recruit Toxin cause he thought he would need help to defeat Spider-man.
3. I'm not dwelling on low feats, I'm dwelling on his only feats.
4. In my last post I explained that Carnage was taken down by a train(subway car, whatever) and Venom got hurt in a fight. Venom even admitted that he had to stop and catch his breath so that his healing factor could kick in. If their healing factors are so great, why could they just get back up and keep going?

"Nobody said:

"Strafe Prower said:

"Nobody said:

@Strafe: Not to be rude, but what are you posting for? I don't mind you posting if you are bring up points, but posts like "Wow..." just take up room and add nothing. If you have evidence to show anything backing Toxin let me know."

I was posting to let you know i was reading still. I said wow because i couldn't have keep up with what was being said in the Debate because i am pretty new to comics still. No offense taken, i understand. I will. I want to re read my Toxin mini though. After that i will debate more."

Its ok, I don't mind you posting, it would just be nice if something was added in your post. You know?"

I understand. I just haven't read them in awhile, so i'm not sure i could quote them correctly."

"Strafe Prower said:

"Nobody said:

"Strafe Prower said:

"Nobody said:

@Strafe: Not to be rude, but what are you posting for? I don't mind you posting if you are bring up points, but posts like "Wow..." just take up room and add nothing. If you have evidence to show anything backing Toxin let me know."

I was posting to let you know i was reading still. I said wow because i couldn't have keep up with what was being said in the Debate because i am pretty new to comics still. No offense taken, i understand. I will. I want to re read my Toxin mini though. After that i will debate more."

Its ok, I don't mind you posting, it would just be nice if something was added in your post. You know?"

I understand. I just haven't read them in awhile, so i'm not sure i could quote them correctly."

Its ok, if you have access to them, I suggest you read Marvel Boy mini and even the Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways. Those so most of Noh-Varr's fighitng."

Toxin slaps his ass

"1. I don't see it like that. It seemed just like in the Toxin mini. Toxin grabs Wrecker by the throat and the only think Wrecker does is say, "Hit him".
2. As I said, maybe if he showed feats those levels. But I haven't seen it. Spider-Man was hanging with Carnage and Venom and he is about the same level of strength as Noh-Varr(Noh-Varr's real level isn't stated but he is a 4 like Spidey). In fact Venom was trying to recruit Toxin cause he thought he would need help to defeat Spider-man.
3. I'm not dwelling on low feats, I'm dwelling on his only feats.
4. In my last post I explained that Carnage was taken down by a train(subway car, whatever) and Venom got hurt in a fight. Venom even admitted that he had to stop and catch his breath so that his healing factor could kick in. If their healing factors are so great, why could they just get back up and keep going?"

1. Toxin is stated being stronger than wrecker in a handbook. Being shown in a book yet has yet to be seen.
2. So basically what we are saying is we should ignore the books that his character's only appearances have been in and pretend he is better.
3. If can alter a way a character should be, if the character is shown to be better at another time.
4. I think Carnage hit him or cut him or something. And you didn't bring up the subway train scene either. Shouldn't Carnage just beable to jump back up?

"1. Toxin is stated being stronger than wrecker in a handbook. Being shown in a book yet has yet to be seen.
2. So basically what we are saying is we should ignore the books that his character's only appearances have been in and pretend he is better.
3. If can alter a way a character should be, if the character is shown to be better at another time.
4. I think Carnage hit him or cut him or something. And you didn't bring up the subway train scene either. Shouldn't Carnage just beable to jump back up?"

"Nobody said:

"1. Toxin is stated being stronger than wrecker in a handbook. Being shown in a book yet has yet to be seen.
2. So basically what we are saying is we should ignore the books that his character's only appearances have been in and pretend he is better.
3. If can alter a way a character should be, if the character is shown to be better at another time.
4. I think Carnage hit him or cut him or something. And you didn't bring up the subway train scene either. Shouldn't Carnage just beable to jump back up?"

This argument is beyond ridiculous at this point.I quit..I don't care anymore.I still think Toxin wins and i'm not changing my mind based on what was said here."

"Toxin.OVERKILL. "

just sayin that toxin can bench when hes upset or angry more then 100 tons and becomes twice the size of venom