Tournament: Bounty Hunter Wars nickzambuto vs ImmortalOne

Mission Type: Kidnapping 
 
Subject: Hoos A. Krakhed (Say that fast :D) 
 
Mission:  One of the three contacts the unknown man has is Hoos A. Krakhed. Your mission, which you have accepted, is to kidnap Hoos A. Krakhed, kill anybody or anything that stands in your way, including competition, and extract the whereabouts of the unknown man from him. 

EQUIPMENT: Mk. II Tranquilizer Pistol (surpressor equipped), SOCOM Combat Pistol (surpressor equipped), Stun Knife, M4 Assault Rifle, Octocamo, Solid Eye, Metal Gear Mk. II, CODEC with full support team, C4 plastic explosives w/ detonator, cardboard box, and a pack of smokes (for err, strategic reasons)

2. Albert Wesker 

EQUIPMENT: Samurai Edge Handgun, S&W 500 Magnum Pistol, com-link, Uroborous Syringe, Sunglasses

3. Gray Fox

EQUIPMENT: Stealth Camo, Katana, Duel Uzis, CODEC, Solar Gun

4. Wolverine

EQUIPMENT: Adamantium Skeleton, Bren Light Machinegun, Flash Bang Grenades, com-link, Bottle of Beer

5. Captain America

EQUIPMENT: Shield, Pistol, flash bang grenades, com-link, M4 just for the f*ck of it.

ImmortalOne: 
Dark Claw- Adatmanium skeleton (and claws), clawarangs, knockout gas.

Sub-Zero- Cryomancy, Kori Blade

Raiden- Hight frequency blade, Five-seveN pistol, FGM-148 Javelin, cyborg enhancements.

Deadshot- Kevlar armor, Wrist mounted magnums, L115A1 sniper rifle, M4 carbine.

Jango Fett- Mandalorian armor (durasteel), helmet, Dual Westar-34s, Z-6 jetpack (one missile), Model RDP-12 rocket launcher, and his two gauntlets.

Right Gauntlet- Dur-24 wrist lasers, ZX mini flame thrower

Left Gauntlet- MM9 mini concussion rocket and a Velocity-7 dart shooter

there will be blood Lol nice set up!!!

@ImmortalOne

Raiden? Seriously?! Pfff,

Anyway, I got this covered.

First of all, assuming our characters have all info listed in the OP, the fence will be down by the time we reach the bridge. Snake will just send the Mk. II out ahead and have Otacon hack the security box. By the time we catch up, it'll be clear, therefore wasting no time. So I'm already ahead of my opponent.

Rhino is easily dispatched.

I'm not entirely familiar with droidekas, but IIRC, continued assault will overload their shields. It's also possible to simply flip them onto their sides, and since the droids can't distinguish the floor from a lightsaber or other weapon, they'll short themselves out. Cap can get at least a couple of them by throwing his shield, and my other teammates are all armed with some kind of heavy firepower. Snake can blast away with his Assault Rifle, Logan with his Machine Gun, and perhaps most importantly, Wesker with his S&W 500.

This Magnum is the most powerful weapon in the game, next to the RPG. It has a high level of stopping power, able to halt even the 8 foot tall monstrous JJs right in their paths.

The fact that the gun can stun Wesker himself means it packs almost as much punch as 10 tons of steel girders falling onto his head from several stories up, which had a similar effect.

Continued gunfire from Snake and Logan will definately knock over the droids, but a single shot from Wesker should be capable of putting them on their sides. From there, with no shield, the droids are easy pickings.

So, while those guys are doing that, Gray Fox will take to the Xenomorphs.

Getting up close and personal, the ninja will cut each alien up by the time the first drop of acid blood spills.

I assume Red Arrow will be a decent distance away, so he shouldn't be a factor until my team gets closer. For now, we have to deal with the snipers, and I'm literally kicking myself for not giving Snake a sniper rifle. I mean c'mon, I couldn't of forgotten!

Ugh, whatever, don't need it, I'm badass enough.

Ok, considering Snake headshotted Vamp right between the eyes from a similar distance, and Wesker can land

The shot at 6:25 without even aiming, I'm gonna go ahead and say it's not too out of the question for my guys to just shoot, with Cap and Fox providing protection.

But I'm not one to rely on such a weak strategy.

Basically, Wesker, Fox, and Wolverine just bum rush the place. No strategy more then that, as none is needed. Anything that hits Logan is healed, and nothing will touch Fox or Wesker. Even if by some miracle they are hit, they've both taken far worse, and with durability nerfed down to Luke Cage, that's just enough to tank any bullets they are hit with.

Meanwhile, Snake has once again sent out the Mk. II. Armed with a stun wire and stealth camo, Red Arrow will never even see the robot coming as it zaps him.

Stealth camo renders the Mk. II invisible.

That takes care of both the snipers and Red Arrow.

While my team sneaks into the warehouse, my opponent shouldn't be anywhere close to us, as not only is my starting position quite a bit closer to the warehouse, but he has to avoid the mines somehow, while I wasn't slowed down in the slightest by the electric fence.

So, grabbing the target, we should be able to make a clean getaway without even encountering them. But first, we'll need to dispose of his guard.

@Fetts

What versions of Ravager and Batgirl are we using? I assume Rose and Cass yes?

Not ideal, but I can manage.

Wesker will immediately attack Daredevil. Not to undersell Matt, but he can't hang with Wesker for long. It'll take a minute or two, but eventually, the man with no fear will fall. All the captain needs to do is land but one hit.

Meanwhile, Snake and Fox double team Rose, while Cap and Logan double team Cass. Snake and Fox have unrivaled teamwork due to how close they are, and the same can be said for Cap and Wolvy, who have fought side by side countless times. But besides that, there's a reason I've chosen for Snake and Fox to fight Rose.

There are technically two forms of CQC, armed and unarmed. Both Snake and Fox are masters of both. Let's talk about armed CQC.

The entire basis of this fighting style is to strategically strip and disarm opponents, then go for a quick knockout. Assuming Rose is armed, well, she won't be for long.

Now I know some people may claim Rose is the better fighter between herself and Snake, but those people have to realize that the entire point of CQC is to get her weapons away from her. Whether or not she's the better fighter then him, his entire style is based on this one goal. Add Gray Fox into the equation, and I don't see Ravager winning.

Next up, we have Cap and Wolverine VS Cassandra Cain. I won't say either of them can compete with Batgirl in pure skill, but you'll need more then just skill to beat the Captain. Case in point,

I'm not going to call Cassandra Cain slow, but I don't think it's too out of the question to say Cap is just as, if not faster.

He does after all, see faster then bullets. Cain can dodge bullets, but does that make her faster then them?

Then we have Logan, who is even faster then Cap.

Does durability even need to be brought up? Cap and Logan both jump out of airborn planes, tussle with Hulk, and overall take far more punishment then big daddy Bat himself, let alone lil' Cass.

Is it to much to say Cap can one shot her?

Another thing that ensures Cap and Logan's win, is that I doubt Batgirl can read their moves like she's so used to doing. She failed to predict Deathstroke's moves due to his enhacements, so I think it's safe to say the same can be said for Cap.

In any case, once Wesker finishes with Matt, he'll land a surprise blow to Cass, taking her out if she's not already delt with. All 5 of my guys go for Rose now, quickly defeating her, again, only if Snake and Fox haven't already done that. We grab the dude and make a run for it. Team ImmortalOne soon enters the warehouse to find a pile of dead bodies and not a trace of their man.

@ImmortalOne said:

My team takes the bridge. Forget the electrical box. Sub-Zero flash-freezes the fence and shatters it. Rhino isn't even a problem. Sub-Zero flash-freezes him or Dark Claw hits him with his adamantium claws, and he's dead. The four snipers won't be much of a problem for Deadshot, who snipes them from afar. Red Arrow isn't a match for Deadshot. It's a bow vs. a sniper rifle, and Deadshot hits him between the eyes. At the same time, the rest of the team enters the warehouse. By the time they confront Krakhead and his guards, Deadshot should have effectively killed the four snipers and Red Arrow. Dark Claw uses his knockout gas immediately, knocking out Krakhead and his guards. The team takes Krakhead, and leaves.

My team would still make it to the warehouse before yours, because our starting position is pretty much right there.

Even if you do manage to reach us before we escape, we're more then enough to take you down.

Sub-Zero and his flash freezes are annoying, so Snake just shoots him from afar.

Dark Claw may be Batman + Wolverine, but that doesn't mean zip. Simply put, Logan has better feats. We can't assume Dark Claw inherited everything good about Wolverine and none of the bad. Logan can at least stalemate him long enough for another teammate to help out.

Gray Fox can beat Raiden. They're both nerfed to Luke Cage, so Raiden's strength won't be a factor. This will come down to skill and speed, both of which Fox is superior in, going by feats and stated training.

Cap makes short work of Deadshot. Batman regularly humiliates him, Cap isn't to far. Not to mention he has his shield which is a great advantage against a gun user compared to Batman.

That leaves Wesker to handle Fett.

As soon as Snake and Cap both take down their respective target, they can go and help him out. 3 against 1 Fett goes down fast.

The 3 then split up to help Logan and Fox.

All your guys defeated, quick, and effectively.

@ImmortalOne

Deadshot won't be the initiator, but there's nothing to stop Cap from running up on him. Floyd is unarguably cocky, arrogant, and not exactly careful. If he sees some dude wearing a flag run up on him, he'll probably smile and just go for a quick kill. Seeing as he's never encountered Captain America before, he'll be surprised to see him dodge all shots, and use his shield to block the rest.

Cap's top sprinting speed is 60 MPH, it'll be all to easy for him to just bum rush the sniper. There's really nothing Deadshot can do to prevent that. Batman dodges his bullets; Cap is faster then Batman and has a shield.

Even if Deadshot does get a bullet off Snake before Cap takes him out, it's inconsequential.

2:15

So, seeing as how Deadshot is taken out relatively quickly, your entire game plan falls apart. Dark Claw doesn't beat Wolverine by himself, Sub-Zero doesn't help Raiden, Fett doesn't kill Cap, and Wesker doesn't stand around and wait while his whole team is killed, then continues to stand around and wait while he himself is killed.

@ImmortalOne said:

@nickzambuto said:

@ImmortalOne

Deadshot won't be the initiator, but there's nothing to stop Cap from running up on him. Floyd is unarguably cocky, arrogant, and not exactly careful. If he sees some dude wearing a flag run up on him, he'll probably smile and just go for a quick kill. Seeing as he's never encountered Captain America before, he'll be surprised to see him dodge all shots, and use his shield to block the rest.

Cap's top sprinting speed is 60 MPH, it'll be all to easy for him to just bum rush the sniper. There's really nothing Deadshot can do to prevent that. Batman dodges his bullets; Cap is faster then Batman and has a shield.

Even if Deadshot does get a bullet off Snake before Cap takes him out, it's inconsequential.

2:15

So, seeing as how Deadshot is taken out relatively quickly, your entire game plan falls apart. Dark Claw doesn't beat Wolverine by himself, Sub-Zero doesn't help Raiden, Fett doesn't kill Cap, and Wesker doesn't stand around and wait while his whole team is killed, then continues to stand around and wait while he himself is killed.

Deadshot would still snipe Solid Snake first. No one can harm him before that happens, as he has far superior range (BTW, I'm currently in China on my vacation, so I have no clue what that Youtube video is supposed to show me, can you tell me what's happening?).

Plus, it'd take a whole lot shorter time for a rocket from Fett to take out Cap than it takes for Cap to sprint all the way into Floyd's sniper position. So, Cap dies, Sub-Zero helps Raiden, everything goes according to plan. And yeah, Wesker's not going to just stand around, but Fett would be able to hold him off and probably even kill him after the quick death of Cap with the rocket.

The above video is of Sniper Wolf (greatest sniper on the planet, till Snake came along that is) shooting an unprepared Snake with a sniper rifle. He just moves his head slightly to the left.

You can say Deadshot is better than Wolf, but the fact remains that the shot Wolf placed was dead square set on Snake's face. You literally can't place the bullet better then she did, yet Snake still dodged. Logic states he can do the same to Floyd, as his bullet will travel along more or less the same path.

The only difference between that video and this set up, is that Wolf caught Snake off guard. In this set up, Snake will be fully prepared for incoming bullets.

And it's gonne take a lot more than a rocket to kill Captain America. After all...

He either blocks or dodges the projectile, then continues his 60 MPH charge at Deadshot. Without Floyd, your entire plan falls apart.

@ImmortalOne

I don't think there's anything left to say. Ready for voting?

While I do disagree with some points on both sides, I think I'm going to vote for nickzambuto. 

This is a rough choice. Wesker is the biggest issue from where I stand. Darkclaw is essentially Batman + Wolverine, so he's going to be ridiculous. Man this is a rough choice. I might have to go with ImmortalOne for now. Jango also clearly has superior tech on his side with his gauntlets, armor, etc. that gives him a good mobility and durability advantage. I mean yeah Captain has a shield, but that only protects so much, and Wolverine is there who is more durable. Does he have a jet pack? If so he most definitely takes mobility.

Then we have SubZero, who can take anyone out on the opposite team if he can get a freeze shot off. I'm surprised there are no scans of SubZero's feats, or videos.

Close fight though.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Fetts: Yes, and I thought ImmortalOne took more factors into consideration when he debated. He actually debated what he thought would happen based on multiple possible tactics that nickzambuto could possibly use. Also, he did so in a reasonable manor without downplaying his opponents teams feats, which to me means that he knows not to take his opponent lightly. I was just stating that I wish there were more SubZero feats, and I was curious as to whether or not Jango got his jetpack because that would help me consider how well Jango can do the tactics he was said to have been doing.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Fetts: Yes, and I thought ImmortalOne took more factors into consideration when he debated. He actually debated what he thought would happen based on multiple possible tactics that nickzambuto could possibly use. Also, he did so in a reasonable manor without downplaying his opponents teams feats, which to me means that he knows not to take his opponent lightly. I was just stating that I wish there were more SubZero feats, and I was curious as to whether or not Jango got his jetpack because that would help me consider how well Jango can do the tactics he was said to have been doing.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay said:

This is a rough choice. Wesker is the biggest issue from where I stand. Darkclaw is essentially Batman + Wolverine, so he's going to be ridiculous. Man this is a rough choice. I might have to go with ImmortalOne for now. Jango also clearly has superior tech on his side with his gauntlets, armor, etc. that gives him a good mobility and durability advantage. I mean yeah Captain has a shield, but that only protects so much, and Wolverine is there who is more durable. Does he have a jet pack? If so he most definitely takes mobility.

Then we have SubZero, who can take anyone out on the opposite team if he can get a freeze shot off. I'm surprised there are no scans of SubZero's feats, or videos.

Close fight though.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

F*ck

Thanks for reading,

Nick

@Fetts said:

@Floopay said:

@Fetts: Yes, and I thought ImmortalOne took more factors into consideration when he debated. He actually debated what he thought would happen based on multiple possible tactics that nickzambuto could possibly use. Also, he did so in a reasonable manor without downplaying his opponents teams feats, which to me means that he knows not to take his opponent lightly. I was just stating that I wish there were more SubZero feats, and I was curious as to whether or not Jango got his jetpack because that would help me consider how well Jango can do the tactics he was said to have been doing.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Ok. Just making sure.

Fetts got mah back.

@nickzambuto said:

@Floopay said:

This is a rough choice. Wesker is the biggest issue from where I stand. Darkclaw is essentially Batman + Wolverine, so he's going to be ridiculous. Man this is a rough choice. I might have to go with ImmortalOne for now. Jango also clearly has superior tech on his side with his gauntlets, armor, etc. that gives him a good mobility and durability advantage. I mean yeah Captain has a shield, but that only protects so much, and Wolverine is there who is more durable. Does he have a jet pack? If so he most definitely takes mobility.

Then we have SubZero, who can take anyone out on the opposite team if he can get a freeze shot off. I'm surprised there are no scans of SubZero's feats, or videos.

Close fight though.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

F*ck

Thanks for reading,

Nick

lol. It's just my opinion, I'm sure there are many people who might disagree with me.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Fetts said:

@Floopay said:

@Fetts: Yes, and I thought ImmortalOne took more factors into consideration when he debated. He actually debated what he thought would happen based on multiple possible tactics that nickzambuto could possibly use. Also, he did so in a reasonable manor without downplaying his opponents teams feats, which to me means that he knows not to take his opponent lightly. I was just stating that I wish there were more SubZero feats, and I was curious as to whether or not Jango got his jetpack because that would help me consider how well Jango can do the tactics he was said to have been doing.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Ok. Just making sure.

Fetts got mah back.

@Fetts said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Fetts said:

@Floopay said:

@Fetts: Yes, and I thought ImmortalOne took more factors into consideration when he debated. He actually debated what he thought would happen based on multiple possible tactics that nickzambuto could possibly use. Also, he did so in a reasonable manor without downplaying his opponents teams feats, which to me means that he knows not to take his opponent lightly. I was just stating that I wish there were more SubZero feats, and I was curious as to whether or not Jango got his jetpack because that would help me consider how well Jango can do the tactics he was said to have been doing.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Ok. Just making sure.

Fetts got mah back.

You won't be liking me so much after you lose to me. :)

I've already beaten you before, I'll basically be hitting a sick puppy with a stick.

@Fetts said:

@nickzambuto said:

@Fetts said:

@Floopay said:

@Fetts: Yes, and I thought ImmortalOne took more factors into consideration when he debated. He actually debated what he thought would happen based on multiple possible tactics that nickzambuto could possibly use. Also, he did so in a reasonable manor without downplaying his opponents teams feats, which to me means that he knows not to take his opponent lightly. I was just stating that I wish there were more SubZero feats, and I was curious as to whether or not Jango got his jetpack because that would help me consider how well Jango can do the tactics he was said to have been doing.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Ok. Just making sure.

Fetts got mah back.

You won't be liking me so much after you lose to me. :)

I've already beaten you before, I'll basically be hitting a sick puppy with a stick.

@Sherlock: I never received a message saying it was up.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@ImmortalOne

Ok, time to get serious.

My opponents strategy seems to rely on Deadshot sniping Snake, and Fett blasting Cap. Now the problem with that in this scenario, is that neither Deadshot nor Fett, have any incentive to go for anyone. Why would Floyd target Snake when there's a nice looking robot dude right next to him? ImmortalOne is only making these choices based off my previously stated gameplan. He's doing this as a direct counter to what I said, but in this scenario Deadshot has 5 guys he can aim for, with nothing about Snake sticking out as someone he's like to shoot.

Same goes for Fett. What is it about Captain America that would just make Jango Fett seeth with so much rage at the mere sight of him that he fires a friggin missile at him?

There are to many variables in his plan, but just to prove that I win no matter what, I will role with exactly what he said.

Ok, first off, Deadshot decides he doesn't like the look Snake is giving him and aims his rifle. I've already provided proof of Snake dodging sniper rifle fire, the fact that he's actively aware of the danger this time just makes it all the more easy. Considering this is supposed to be a warehouse, I'm sure there will be plenty of cover for a soldier who's under fire to get behind, and that will be the first thing Snake does once he hears the gunshot.

Meanwhile, Jango Fett will immediately be filled with an undescribable rage the second he gets sight of Captain America, and will waste no time in firing a rocket at him. Steve Rogers has faced hundreds of rockets in his life, and all of them were swiftly dealth with using a patented shield slash. This one will be no different.

Now, considering Snake has just been fired at, I would assume Deadshot to be his main target at this time. This works in my favor, as there is literally nothing Floyd can do to prevent Snake from simply sneaking up on him, as has been done countless times in the past by Batman. Only difference this time though, is that Batman wears black body armor, whereas Snake is equipped with the Octocamo.

Capable of mimicking not only the color and pattern of whatever it's pressed up against, but even the texture as well, the Octocamo is also resistent to infrared and thermal sensors. It makes the wearer all but invisible; Deadshot has literally no way of spotting Snake as he crawls up on him and wrecks him in hand to hand. Going with your scenario, Deadshot will be busy providing cover fire for Dark Claw against Wolverine, so that just makes sneaking up on him all the easier.

With Deadshot out of action, your entire plan falls apart. Dark Claw may be a combination of Batman and Wolverine, but he is in a serious need of actual feats. For all we know, he inherited all the bad traits of his predecessors, and none of the good. Over the years, Logan had displayed far superior combat ability.

Speed-

Blitzes a thug before he can even twitch his finger and pull the trigger. He extends and retracts his claws before anyone even sees them.

Just by the sound of gunfire, he reacts so quickly that it appears he's teleported.

Definately quite a bit faster then Dark Claw.

Skill-

Puts Daredevil in a full nelson

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Gets the upperhand over Cable without even using his claws

Surely he's more skilled than Dark Claw.

Durability-

Hulk punches him into a concrete crater

Logan rubs his jaw and shrugs it off

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Hulk punches him from New York to Boston, but again Wolverine just gets up

Most definately more durable then Dark Claw.

Wolverine will make short work of this fan service clone. From there, he can go and help out Cap, who's been keeping Jango Fett busy.

Meanwhile, Gray Fox is taking on Raiden. Through tourney nerfs, Fox and Jack are now physical equals. As I already explained, this fight will come down to skill, which Fox has twice as much of.

Both of these guys were child soldiers, but Raiden never recieved any actual training until later on in his life. Fox however, was trained and conditioned since before he hit puberty. By his 10th birthday he was taking on entire squadrons of men. Then, later on, as part of the Perfect Soldier Project initiated by the CIA, he underwent extreme experiments to become, well, the perfect soldier.

Dozens of test subjects, only one survivor. Frank Jaeger. Afterwards he joined FOXHOUND where it soon became apparent that he was their best agent. In FOXHOUND's entire run, he's the only one to ever earn the code name Fox.

Then, as if this guy wasn't conditioned enough, he was implanted with robot parts to become the worlds first Cyborg Ninja.

Then we have lil' Jack, who was a child soldier, but didn't recieve much training until he joined the dummy FOXHOUND set up by the Patriots. Then he got some robot parts, and that's pretty much it on his front. Gray Fox will remind us all why he is the original Cyborg Ninja.

Finally, with them being the only two fighters left, Wesker and Sub-Zero will do battle.

Wesker dodges bullets with a smile on his face. Sub-Zero's flash freezes shouldn't move much faster, so he's good on that front. It shouldn't take the former captain long to grab a win here.

There. I've provided dozens of scans and videos compared to my opponents one, and even went with his preferred strategy and still proved why I should win.

@Sherlock

Satisfied?

I got Nicks Backs. I think his team has more ways of winning in idividual matches vs Immortals and his team also can clear the scenario as most of them do this kind of thing Solo much les together.

Nick has mine.

@CadenceV2 said:

I got Nicks Backs. I think his team has more ways of winning in idividual matches vs Immortals and his team also can clear the scenario as most of them do this kind of thing Solo much les together.

Nick has mine.

2-1 NickZ

BUMP

@beatboks1

Well luckily we aren't finished! I will refrain from counting any more votes until my opponent and I officially stop.

@ImmortalOne

"Actually, the rules state that the teams will assume they have no competition. That means, Snake is prepared only for the mission, but not for any attacks from my team."

What I meant was, by the time you guys arrive to the warehouse, my team will already be there. You guys are gonna bust in and be looking for Hoos, and the second you guys get within a mile of us, Snake will pick up your whole team on the Solid Eye. You'll probably know about us in advance too, whether it be from Jango Fett's sensors or something else. But the point is, Snake, as well as my whole team, will know you're there and will be ready for the sniper shot, as the Solid Eye also analyzes all weaponry carried by any foreign groups. Hence, an easy dodge followed by a sneak up.

Regardless, it doesn't even matter if we see you.

At 2:15, Snake dodges a surprise sniper shot. He had no warning other than the sound of the gun, but that's all he needed. If Deadshot somehow manages to get around the Solid Eye, Snake will still be fine.

At 0:50, Old Snake dodges a Railgun shot in that same place. A blast from a Railgun moves several times faster than sound. Snake was able to actually see the blast as it was coming (thanks to the Solid Eye), and dive out of the way, showing how finely tuned his reflexes are. Compared to dodging a projectile moving faster than sound, Deadshot's sniper round will be a piece of cake, especially considering Snake will be in his prime here, whereas he was physically pushing 80 above.

you are downplaying Deadshot's nigh-inhuman (even for a fictional character) accuracy,

I know of Deadshot's capabilities, and I also know that he's forever butthurt at Batman because he's the first person to make him miss. If Batman can dodge Deadshot, so can Snake.

Look at the above videos. Even if Deadshot is a better shot than both Sniper Wolf and Crying Wolf, he literally can't place his shot any better then they did. Square in the face is as accurate as he's going to get. Given repeated chances, I have no doubt he'll start to ricochet the bullets or something and will tag Snake, but the problem is he won't get another chance. The second the first bullet is fired Snake will dive to cover, then sneak off. Deadshot can't shoot what he can't see.

Fett makes quick work of Captain America.

You're underestimating the power of America. For one thing,

with his blasters, laser, mini concussion rocket, or flamethrower.

all these are easily dealt with using his agility and shield.

The Captain effortlessly avoids a hail of machine gun fire from multiple assailants, and even a room full of deadly lasers. Fett's gonna have to work just to tag Cap.

His shield puts a dent in the Hulk. You know, the guy who gets launched into giant astroids two times the size of Earth and smashes them with his body.

That's some accuracy if I ever saw any. I believe if the shield can stunt Hulk, it'll do a lot more to Jango Fett.

Cap will most definately have the hardest job here, keeping Fett busy. But there is a reason all Gods as well as Mortals look up to him when the going gets tough. He'll fair ok. Hell, Nick Fury even says it right there. "Fact is, when Captain America says he's gonna get something done, he gets it done!"

Dark Claw is still a better strategist, and uses martial arts in his fighting.

Proof that Dark Claw is a better fighter then Wolverine? Again, just because he's part him, doesn't mean he inherited all his good traits.

Wolverine is a martial artist, and a great one at that, but he's mostly a brawler when he fights.

I'll give you that, but Logan isn't an idiot. He knows when he's up against a formidable opponent, and knows that's the time to pull out the special moves. A fellow Adamantium infused fighter who happens to look very similar to Wolverine will probably hint him off that this fight is not to be taken lightly.

Plus, Deadshot sniping at Wolverine throughout the whole fight will be a big help.

Deadshot's already dead. I've already explained how Snake will know you guys are coming from a mile away, and will therefore be prepared. Deadshot has literally no way of detecting Snake when he goes to sneak up on him. If anything, it'll be Snake who provides cover fire to Wolverine in the fight.

Raiden and Sub-Zero are double teaming Fox.

Fox still has Wesker for backup. There will be no double teaming.

After Fett quickly takes out Cap,

Alright man, c'mon. You can't seriously say Captain fuggin America will be taken out just like that. He fights Hulk, Iron Man, Dr. Doom, and many many others who are above him on paper. Fett will have his hands full just tagging the most agile human in Marvel this side of Daredevil.

He could just fly up with his jetpack and continue firing away at Wesker until he gets a shot.

Wesker is more then capable of jumping

9:00 proves that

As well as 13:00.

Wesker can defeat two 20 tonner Ivan Tyrants simoultaniously, he can deal with Fett. Thing is though, he won't have to, Captain America will be doing a fine job of that himself.

So we have the same result as before. Deadshot fails to take out Snake, thus your entire gameplan falls apart.

@ImmortalOne

He's accurately sniped someone with an automatic rifle before,

That's impressive, but he'd have a better chance of hitting Snake if he actually uses the sniper rifle.

Unless Snake can sprint 100 yards away in the time it takes to pull out a gun, Deadshot will just fire away in the initial area.

I'm not sure where you're getting that from, the plan had always been for Snake to immediately take cover the second the first bullet flies, not immediately make a dash for Deadshot. Considering this is supposed to be a warehouse, I'm sure there'll be plenty of cover opportunities.

Meanwhile, Deadshot will probably go off on a tangent about how "he made me miss! I never miss! Blah blah blah."

It's not like Snake is even going to be in cover long. The second he gets down and out of sight, his Octocamo will camoflauge him into the ground, and he'll just crawl off, only to loop right around and get Deadshot into a patented CQC hold.

Snake may be able to dodge a bullet, but I doubt he could dodge a continued spray of them.

You'd be wrong about that.

First 3 minutes, Snake dodges a chaingun mid-air, but also does a lot more...

This one is more direct. Flipping over point blank Assault Rifle fire while simoultaniously kicking his clone brother in the face.

Not like either of these feats matter, as the second Snake dodges the first shot he'll be behind cover and out of sight. A moment later, and he'll be off, sneaking away behind Deadshot. Floyd won't even get the chance to use the wrist magnums or M4 because he won't even see Snake to aim.

So again, we're right back at the "Deadshot doesn't kill Snake so your entire plan falls apart" problem.

Fett's nerve toxin would intoxicate Cap long enough (or probably even kill him) so that he could finish him off with the weapons.

This is hardly the first time a toxin was used against Captain America. What is it about Jango Fett's that makes it any different from all the others he's faced over the years?

Fett's going to be flying a lot more erratically, and firing his weapons at Cap, making him harder to aim at.

I've already provided two instances of Cap perfectly aiming his shield while under heavy fire,

this will be no different.

that handy ricochet makes hitting moving targets a lot easier.

His accuracy with the shield is all but inhuman, able to throw it so precisely that it snuffs out the flame of a lighter, only to just barely knick it again to turn it back on, without even looking.

I've already explained why Deadshot would kill Snake.

And I've explained several times why that wouldn't work

Wesker's fighting Fett, you even said it yourself.

No, I didn't. I only mentioned Wesker fighting Fett because you brought it up. My direct quote was,

"Wesker can defeat two 20 tonner Ivan Tyrants simoultaniously, he can deal with Fett. Thing is though, he won't have to, Captain America will be doing a fine job of that himself."

So,

Thus, Raiden and Sub-Zero double team Gray Fox.

This doesn't happen.

Instead, Fox takes on Raiden, whereas, considering they're the only two left, Wesker fights Sub-Zero. Considering Sub-Zero's blasts actually move pretty slow, Wesker surely has this. From there, he can go on to help whoever needs it, probably Cap, and I'm sure Steve can hold out that long.

The problem with your strategy, is that it's completely dependent on Deadshot taking out Snake. You only have one shot at this, and if it fails, your entire gameplan falls apart. Conversely, my team has several ways of taking you down.

Gray Fox VS Deadshot

Fox certainly has this one in the bag.

Even with all the accuracy in the world, Fox's speed and agility are to much for Floyd. It'll take him seconds to actually run the distance to reach him, any and all bullets that come his way in that time will be swiftly dealt with, either by deflection or dodge.

Even if a couple bullets do make it past his defenses, he's tanked getting stomped on by a 500 ton robot. His durability will take a nerf here down to Luke Cage, which is just enough to ignore any bullets that hit him.

VS Sub-Zero

Sub-Zero's blasts are certainly enough to take Fox down, but they don't have the speed to actually tag, and Sub-Zero doesn't have the accuracy to make up for that. The ninja will dodge everything thrown at him and cut Sub-Zero down.

VS Dark Claw

Going by feats, training, and experience, Dark Claw shouldn't be any more skilled then Frank. He has a healing factor which is helpful, but with Fox's vastly superior strength and speed do more then make up for it. Adamantium won't be any advantage considering the H/F Blade carves up Gekko which are built to tank RPGs. Not saying it's harder than Adamantium, but if they lock blades it won't give.

Anyway, the only advantage Dark Claw had is healing. Every other advantage goes to Fox. Strength, speed, even durability.

VS Jango Fett

Fox is just as durable as Fett, so the armor won't come into play. He's also vastly stronger, and faster. Missiles and lasers won't even tag someone as fast as Fox, and if Fett takes to the air all Fox has to do is jump.

Just like Dark Claw, Fox simply outclasses Fett, and that's how he'll take him down.

VS Raiden

We've already went through this. Equal physicals, superior skill and training. Fox wins based off that.

So as you can see, whereas I have several ways of defeating you, your entire plan rests on Deadshot killing Snake within the first 5 seconds. If he fails at that, everything falls apart.

@ImmortalOne

Anyways, We don't start immediately in the warehouse. Chances are, Deadshot would spot you before you make it there, hence no protection for Snake.

My team will be in the warehouse by the time you reach us, as I've already explained. We just got done thrashing all security, and are about to make off with Mr. Krakhed, until our sensors pick you guys up. We will be in the warehouse, while you are still outside. And how exactly is Deadshot supposed to spot us with the naked eye before we spot him with a variety of radars, not to mention Wolverine's nose? If anything, we'll have a trap already set for you guys.

And let's face it, in an area with four other snipers, what would make Snake think the sound came from Deadshot?

The four other snipers have already been delt with. Like I said, we've disposed of all security and already have the target in our grasp by the time you show up.

And then, if you somehow do manage to catch us before we enter, then that just leaves you to deal with the security, and you have yet to give a strategy for how that's accomplished.

Besides, Deadshot has hit far harder things than a dodging human.

On the flip side, a dodging human is all it takes half the time.

If Snake actually does that, Jango will spot him with the sensors in his helmet,

As I've already mentioned, the Octocamo will make sure that doesn't happen.

Unless Snake is going to trek over a long distance away from the area of the warehouse towards my team,

Well why would Deadshot randomly decide to snipe from a mile away? The original plan was for your team to meet up with us, but now that you know that won't work you're changing it. It doesn't work that way, your team only gets one shot at this.

That said, if Snake does have to trek all the way to Deadshot, I don't see what's stopping him. The Solid Eye will tell him Floyd's exact location, so now it's just a matter of reaching him. If Deadshot can somehow see my team with his naked eyes from a mile away and decide to snipe us, I'm sure Snake's radar will see him.

If enough alcohol can give Cap a "buzz," then lethal nerve toxin will do a lot more.

I'm looking at your gear on the first page, and I'm not even seeing a nerve toxin listed. You have a "Velocity-7 dart shooter". Is that how you plan on poisoning Cap? Cause if so, I'm pretty sure bullets and lasers go faster then darts, soo...

that won't work.

In all of the scans, the intended target wasn't moving. Fett's going to be flying in the air, and blasting Cap with his weapons.

Raiden and Sub-Zero double team Fox.

-.-

And with Deadshot sniping at Wolverine throughout the fight,

Deadshot will already have a knife in his throat courtesy of the greatest soldier of the 21st century, AKA Solid Snake.

Recap-

My team starts right next to the warehouse while you guys are stuck on the other side of the map. We should get there first, and proceed to wreck all opposition quickly and effectively. Just as my team is about to nab Mr. Krakhead, Snake picks you guys up on his radar. Either that, or Wolverine sniffs you out. To be fair, I'll assume your own sensors pick us up as well.

You guys don't know we're hostile yet, so you just continue on your way. Eventually you get closer, and Deadshot decides to shoot Snake while Fett rockets Cap. Snake dodges the first shot, no prob, then sneaks up on Floyd, as he's done countless times to other enemies.

Meanwhile, Cap either

A) Blocks the missile with his shield

B) Throws his shield at the missile to blow it up

C) Dodges the missile.

From there, Fett attempts to shoot darts at Steve, which are easily dodged. Cap stalls Fett, as he's done to Hulk, Doctor Doom, Iron Man, and many many others. Granted, Jango Fett's combination of weapons and maneuverability will certainly keep Rogers constantly on toes, but he can pull through.

Gray Fox and Raiden do battle, it goes on for a few ahile and Raiden certainly doesn't go down quietly, but in the end, it comes down to Fox winning through skill and experience.

Meanwhile, the same thing can be said for Wolverine and Dark Claw.

Since they're the only two left, Wesker and Sub-Zero do battle. Now, even after recieving a double overdose of his serum and being severely weakened, Wesker was more then capable of dodging bullets in literally a flash. I don't think any of Sub-Zero's attacks go faster then bullets, so he can't do much at long range. Close quarters he's screwed even more.

It shouldn't take long for any of my guys to beat yours, so as they finish up they can go and assist Cap, who is obviously the one most in need of help. Again, your entire plan falls apart if Deadshot doesn't kill Snake, something I've proved won't happen several different ways.

@Sherlock @beatboks1 @Fetts @everyone else

ImmortalOne and I have agreed over PM that it is time to vote for real. The current score is 2-1 in my favor, with Fetts and CadenceV2 backing me, and Floopay with ImmortalOne. So go ahead and place your votes.

@Fetts

Aww but I'm in the lead!

Pff, whatever.

@CadenceV2 @Floopay

Re-Vote time! We finished up our debate and are restarting voting. We only went on for another page or so, so it shouldn't take much to catch up.

@ImmortalOne said:

@nickzambuto: To answer your question about the nerve toxin, I was referring to the FGA-583 nerve agents, which are carried by the Type 12B gas capsule, which in turn are carried by the Model RDP-12 rocket launcher.

And my strategy was to have Deadshot spot you before the teams met up, and snipe Snake, not try to snipe Snake when the two teams started battling. At that range, your team wouldn't be able to retaliate.

STFU we're voting.

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