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#1 Edited by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

Mortal Kombat: TOPH BEI FONG vs KATARA

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- Round 1: Morals

- Round 2: NO MORALS (bloodlusted)

-No prep

-No metalbending/bloodbending

-No Bystanders

-Battle takes place here in the land of Edenia:

Which Master Bender reigns supreme in a flawless victory??

Use Logic/reasoning

Be objective and fair

No bias/FTW

use scenarios and explanations to prove your case

Be NICE ;D

Use these videos as inspiration

TOPH BENDING FEATS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Ko7VusR04

KATARA BENDING FEATS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XmyS4tpuxk

#2 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

Katara, i don't think there is something toph can throw at her that she can't block with unlimited water. and with the waqterfall right there.... she wins, plus she can heal herself. and FIRST

#3 Edited by deadpool25mm (617 posts) - - Show Bio

If i understood right, round 1 is without bending?

Round 1: Katara, making a whirlpool and washing Toph away.

Round 2: Toph since she can make a stone armor (like an Ironman suit just of stone) and beat katara up, lol. (the whirlpool wont work on her this round since she now has the stone armor) <-- if she uses the stone armor in round 1 she'll win both round.

(+ nice making the battle match )

*Edited*

#4 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

And this part was really cool and she could something similarly to Toph.

#5 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool25mm: they can bend in round 1..they're just not trying to kill each other persay ;D

#6 Posted by deadpool25mm (617 posts) - - Show Bio

@BMEZY: ah ok so ill see if i need to edit my comment :)

#7 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: Toph is quicker on the draw...better reflexes and can anticipate and counter katara due to her "toph-senses"...the time it takes katara to gather enough water to do anything substantial to Toph, the blind bandit would barely adjust a toe, effectively burying Katara instantlY..I personally don't think Katara has reaction timing to contend with Toph..Toph has the earth at her command right under katara's feet. she has been shown to perform powerful feats just by twitching the joints and muscles in her hands and feet while Katara seems to have a whole megazoid sequence lol..

#8 Posted by pooty (11776 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: @deadpool25mm: @BMEZY: Can Toph manipulate the ground on Katara side?

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#9 Posted by deadpool25mm (617 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok i edited my First comment :)

#10 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: yes sir ;D.

keep in mind though that Katara has virtually unlimited ammunition right behind her (her megazoid sequences might be a lil too slow for Toph though, since she's much quicker on the draw)

#11 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: Rules dont say no so yeah.

#12 Edited by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@BMEZY: But Top is blind and several waterbenders have created a type of jetstream underneath them to float around in the air, rendering Toph blind. i'm sure you know what i'm talking about you seem like you've seen the show.

@deadpool25mm: Round 2: keep in mind though that Katara could surround Toph in a bubble of water, she did something similarly to Zuko if i'm not mistaken.

#13 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: I see exactly what you mean...Toph actually "sees" better than a person that can actually see..her senses are heightened to an astonishing degree.. Katara raises a hand and Katara senses it and successfully counters the blow with earth..Katara has the firepower to do some damage, I just doubt Toph giving her the time do so..When fighting another bender, the dude raised a foot to shoot fire at Toph, and to her perception he seemed to be frozen, giving toph ample amount of time to percieve, react to the attack and then counter it effectively...toph does the same thing with earth (the floating thing that is..hers is considerably faster). I see Toph's natural agressive behavior simply overwhelming Katara.

#14 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@BMEZY: I think the Only way Top would win is if she hits her before Katara can grab some water, but every other way i think its Katara.

#15 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: in what way?? Toph can effectively block with a big slab of rock and the boulders she can lift without breaking a sweat is pretty sweet too. rock and earth shatters ice fairly easy.. and it Toph makes her armor contraption thingie, Katara doesn't have a prayer..Toph is a very good offensive and defensive player, and she has the advantage because Katara depends on Toph's element for support (it's beneath her) Toph can exploit this easy...Katara gets buried or grated into a nasty looking paste or trap simply k.o'ed

#16 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@BMEZY: As i've already stated, earth isn't Katara's only support, she has water, and has used it to her advantage when trying to avoid being hit Ex. her fight with Azula in the last episode. A boulder has been seen rather usless against a waterbender in a defensive manor

Hama easily cut the rock into four peices. Katara defeated Hama. What i'm saying is, if Katara gets in the air she wins. If Toph makes her armor, Katara could still drown her. Toph will win if she hits her before Katara can grab water.

#17 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: Katara mainly on the ground no matter the opposition..that rock the Hama is cutting is stationary..meaning, it isn't moving at all.. let's see Katara block a 50 foot boulder coming at her at speeds over 60 mph...we cannot forget the Toph is very aggressive and she can and will overwhelm Katara..Katara isn't fast enough.. you know how much she has to wave her hands around and set-up to gather enough water to put down Toph, the blind bandit would have already K.O-ed or bury her where she stands...I can't see Toph drowning because she can use the earth beneath her to elevate herself high enough and get the jump on Katara. Katara raises a hand to summon water and Toph shifts her weight to the exact angle and at the pricise moment and time to off-center Katara, react to her attack and counter it with an offensive blow that Katara would be powerless to stop because it'll be coming at her before she sees it..Toph has done this to most of her opposition. she waits and listens and Katara will fail.

#18 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@BMEZY: Then why would you make this post if you were going to be so closed minded, i gave you my input and that's all. Its not traditional for the post creator to put in their input, it defeats the purpose of you making this thread.

#19 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5308 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly always thought Katara was more powerful then Toph, she has better feats against Zuko and Azula.

#20 Posted by DTFB (192 posts) - - Show Bio

well water kinda sits on Earth soooooo Toph has all kinds of advantages.

#21 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph is more skilled and takes round 1 because she is tougher and Katara will hesitate to knock her out

Round 2 Katara uses Toph's blindness to her advantage here. Toph's blindness is a huge disadvantage for her if someone knows about it. If this was Bumi though I think he would KO Katara easily because Earth is my favorite element and I am biased to it.

#22 Posted by deadpool6_6_6 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396 said:

Katara, i don't think there is something toph can throw at her that she can't block with unlimited water. and with the waqterfall right there.... she wins, plus she can heal herself. and FIRST

I agree with this. Katara takes this.

#23 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool6_6_6: Thank you

#24 Posted by deadpool6_6_6 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: yvw

#25 Posted by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio

Katara isn't fast enough.. you know how much she has to wave her hands around and set-up to gather enough water to put down Toph, the blind bandit would have already K.O-ed or bury her where she stands..

Waterbending is based off Tai chi,so of course There moments are slower and refined,but that doesn't so much prove anything, because majority of time the bigger the move,the more  movement is requires for the marital arts maneuver.  
 
Katara doesn't need to  do a damn martial arts combo attack every time she bends,she did just fine against Azula,whose arguably faster and more agile than Toph.It doesn't take much for her to smack Toph with a wave like she did at "Crossroads of Destiny"
    

we cannot forget the Toph is very aggressive and she can and will overwhelm Katara 


Katara's no push over either. 
#26 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@BMEZY
LOL You know I will go with Toph on Morals. Katara knows her and has a paternal instinct. Round 2 is all Katara for reason stated on the other thread. More Versaltility in her bending and better train by real masters of their art.
#27 Edited by MrPuertillo (342 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph both rounds.

With morals on she doesn't mind throwing 10 ton rocks at her friends.

Not to mention it took the entire team to defeat Melon Lord.

Katara is good but water pales in comparison with earth. Toph would sense and tag Katara the moment she moves her feet.

#28 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@NCC1396 said:


                   

@BMEZY: Then why would you make this post if you were going to be so closed minded, i gave you my input and that's all. Its not traditional for the post creator to put in their input, it defeats the purpose of you making this thread.



                   

               

Probaly cause on the Aang/Toph vs Katara/Zuko thread I kept defending Katara as the best bender in the group.
#29 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrPuertillo: Tagging someone as soon as they move is hardly a fight, it's exactly the same as blitzing and pulling that one out never solves any battles. The Flash can blitz most of the people in DC and Marvel, but in an actual battle he sucks.

#30 Edited by THUNDERBOLT30 (10860 posts) - - Show Bio

I think this could go either way in both rounds, but I think earth is more defensively and offensively advantageous than water, so I think Toph has a slight edge here.

#31 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: I would agree with that, Toph is only special because of her extra sences and metal bending. take away her extra sences and give back her vision she's hardly an extraordinary fighter. Zuko isn't quite a master, he got schooled by Katara who never received official training in the first season. And Aang was spread to thin he never quite mastered all of the elements in the duration of the show.

#32 Posted by MrPuertillo (342 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: Blitzing is very recurrent in The Last Airbending. Both Katara and Toph have done it tons of times, Toph being more skilled though and taking more opponents at the same time.

Anyways Toph is a former PROFESSIONAL earth-bending fighter. Thus has more experience.

I can see Katara running inside a building and then realize that the door is close and the walls are getting closer.

Mortal Combat style, Toph does a 64 combo and finishes her with a fatality.

#33 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph in both rounds.

#34 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Just as been said before Katara has saved the team more times than Aang himself have. Hell Katara has save Aang from death. She has beaten Hama who thru blood bending own everyone, beaten Zuko who Aang at best ran from, deafeted a heartless craze beserker Azula, beaten both Tai and Mai, and surpass her master Pakuu who is the best Waterbender period as a member of the White Lotus. Who has Toph beaten in her awsome showings? Hell I think King Bumi is a better earth bender, even if he cant metal bend. What training has she has and how many times whether it be in the Serphant Path, Walking the Desert, or fighting Giant Hornets has she been useless? She is limited. Anyone Remember when explosive guy has Toph and Katara put into a WOODEN jail cell? Who got them out? Kataras Sweat!!!
#35 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: She probably is the most talented bender in the group as already stated. Toph is only considered a good bender because of her extra "Eyes" it's not her bending that makes her superior but her advantage that she has over everyone else.

#36 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrPuertillo said:

Toph both rounds.

With morals on she doesn't mind throwing 10 ton rocks at her friends.

Not to mention it took the entire team to defeat Melon Lord.

Katara is good but water pales in comparison with earth. Toph would sense and tag Katara the moment she moves her feet.

the greatest last airbender villain of all time

#37 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@NCC1396
Also her biggest weakness, she used to be helpless in Sand and she cant swim at all.
#38 Posted by NCC1396 (272 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Not any more though, she started sand bending in the end o f season three remember? She made the town on the beach

#39 Posted by MrPuertillo (342 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Yea, the helpless and blind Toph saved the whole group from being buried alive if I recall correctly.

#40 Posted by MrPuertillo (342 posts) - - Show Bio

@VercingetorixTheGreat: I can't see the picture /: or video or thingy you posted for me.

#42 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@NCC1396 said:


                   

@CadenceV2: Not any more though, she started sand bending in the end o f season three remember? She made the town on the beach



                   

               

Thats why I said used to have trouble in Sand.
#43 Posted by MrPuertillo (342 posts) - - Show Bio

@VercingetorixTheGreat: Oh yes Melon Lord stomps effortlessly.

#44 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (3024 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph.

I.A.T.

#45 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio
@NCC1396
Yup she sure did something useful for once LOL! Oh wait she lost Appa tho LOL
#46 Posted by MrPuertillo (342 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: I'd rather lose some big animal than let my mom die ala Katara.

#47 Posted by MrPuertillo (342 posts) - - Show Bio

I still believe Toph wins, let the AMVs decide.

And yes the greatest Villain of all time.

#48 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Katara.

#49 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

@NCC1396: hmm in what way exactly?? I simply stated my own objective opinion based on what I already know about the two characters. No one said that your input is WRONG..You gave me your opinion. Wonderful, I respect your opinion as you should mine, but since I don't agree with it and gave you my own little spend of how I think it should go, then I'm closed minded because I'm not agreeing with what you say. You gave your inputs about the battle so why can't I?? and then suddenly I'm closed-minded?? dude GTFO with that. I never said that Katara doesn't win because she's not powerful enough, hell she has an unlimited supply of water RIGHT behind her. I gave Toph the win due to her superior senses, reflexes, agility and her being able to effectively get the jump on katara before she gets the chance to summon anything substantial (water does sits directly above earth y'know ;D Toph can literally drain that little lake thing -shrugs-) Me being close-minded is saying that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for Katara to win..I just think toph has more resources to draw from and the skill to use it effectively (not saying Katara doesn't)..

And the reason why I posted this thread is because these are my two favorite characters from the Avatar Universe and people tend to bring new information about the characters into threads like these that I can learn from. I have an opinion and as OP there's nothing wrong with that. I want to hear some others and test it to my theory (oh and to learn some more cool facts about the characters) I've never heard a rule saying that if you make a battle thread you aren't allowed to throw in your two cents...people do it all the time.

#50 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iamlovewithin500: You're right..I just feel that Toph's reflexes and senses are considerable faster than Katara enabling her to perceive, react, and then counter Katara more times than Katara would be able to get a hit (She might get a few though).