#1 Edited by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph, Gaara and Sandman

Vs.

Gambit, Rhino and Midnighter

Rules

  • Morals on
  • Standard equipment and gear
  • Gambit has no Death abilitys
  • No BFR
  • Win Via Death, KO or incapacitation

Location

Which team win and why?

#2 Posted by dondave (34756 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

#3 Posted by OverLordArhas (7667 posts) - - Show Bio

@mavfan626:

Gambit and Rhino are non-factor, but what can Midnighter do?

Team 1 for now.

#4 Posted by Funsiized (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 Easy.

Last i Checked Rhino Needs Even Ground for a good Rush down?

Only Chance Team 2 has is Midnighters Doors.

But i can see team 1 overcoming it.

#5 Posted by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Gambit would be a game changer..

#6 Posted by OverLordArhas (7667 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Gambit would be a game changer..

What can Gambit do in this battle?

#7 Edited by Juiceboks (7988 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, 3 great earth manipulators on one team. Can someone say city wide sand burial?

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#8 Posted by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@mavfan626 said:

I thought Gambit would be a game changer..

What can Gambit do in this battle?

If Gambit hit Sandman, it might take him out for a bit. If Toph throw rocks at him he could dodge and counter attack and he could help slow down Gaara's sand attacks?

#9 Posted by OverLordArhas (7667 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas said:

@mavfan626 said:

I thought Gambit would be a game changer..

What can Gambit do in this battle?

If Gambit hit Sandman, it might take him out for a bit. If Toph throw rocks at him he could dodge and counter attack and he could help slow down Gaara's sand attacks?

How can Gambit come close to Gaara or Toph?

Gaara can pretty much float and be protected by his sand while attacking.

#10 Posted by xlab3000 (3157 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

#11 Edited by The_PAIN (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Gaara teaches Sandman how to use his powers and kill team 2 while Toph relax at a corner and drink tea.

#12 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Toph beats Team 2 with all the rocks around before Garra can make enough sand for a petty attack.

#13 Edited by jashro44 (19925 posts) - - Show Bio

Without BFR I don't see what they can do to sandman in this scenario. Gaaras only issue will be midnighters doors, don't know enough about Toph to really say how she wins but she seems pretty powerful. Team one will probably take this.

#14 Posted by BlackWind (5669 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know jack about Midnighter, but Gaara can take Gambit and Rhino alone..Gaara's sand shields have tanked Deidara's explosives, so the Cajun isn't doing anything here. And Rhino? Gaara just sinks him below the earth like he did Kimimaro.

#15 Posted by dangersky (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Gaara and gambit I think would be the key player for both team , gaara focusing on his ultimate defense technique to protect him and his teammate , gambit otherwise focusing ond attacking , gambit actually is the wild card here , he can control his card wherever he want it to be , and for speed , I think his card is a better weapon than any kind of sand attack.

But I will vote for team one , gaara shield is almost unbreakable in this battle I think

#16 Posted by KnightOfZero (1500 posts) - - Show Bio

team two would be unable to counter sand coffin, which leads to sand funeral, which leads to team two being liquefied by garra

#17 Edited by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

Gaara would just grab Sandman and use him to kill team 1. Midnighter is the only one who could last at all, but he eventually goes down and has no way of getting through Gaara's Ultimate Defense.

#18 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (10448 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas said:

@mavfan626 said:

I thought Gambit would be a game changer..

What can Gambit do in this battle?

If Gambit hit Sandman, it might take him out for a bit. If Toph throw rocks at him he could dodge and counter attack and he could help slow down Gaara's sand attacks?

Toph doesn't ''throw rocks'' the girl shift and hurl boulders

and Gaara sand has stop a city bursting bomb with almost no sigh of problems

#19 Posted by Skit (2372 posts) - - Show Bio

Rhino is really useless here and Gambit isn't going to make much of a difference. That leaves Midnighter,who definitely can't take this by basically himself. So team 1 takes this.

#20 Posted by laflux (14371 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

Without BFR I don't see what they can do to sandman in this scenario. Gaaras only issue will be midnighters doors, don't know enough about Toph to really say how she wins but she seems pretty powerful. Team one will probably take this.

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#21 Posted by Xeno_Seeker (414 posts) - - Show Bio

gaara solos?

#22 Posted by morgrim (1020 posts) - - Show Bio

I could see Gaara soloing and Toph soloing. Put them together with sandman and you get the most wide scale and powerful earth coffin ever.

#23 Posted by Chaos Prime (10842 posts) - - Show Bio

@mavfan626 said:

I thought Gambit would be a game changer..

What can Gambit do in this battle?

he is imo especialy against Sandman.But i still give the win to team one.

#24 Posted by GhostRavage (8404 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_pain said:

Gaara teaches Sandman how to use his powers and kill team 2 while Toph just watch and drink tea.

Wow man, that's mean... Toph is blind...

#25 Posted by GhostRavage (8404 posts) - - Show Bio

@morgrim said:

I could see Gaara soloing and Toph soloing. Put them together with sandman and you get the most wide scale and powerful earth coffin ever.

Toph its unable to control sand. Actually, Sandman and Gaara are no help for Toph since she can't earth bend if her feet are on sand.

#26 Posted by BlackWind (5669 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: She can actualky. She even made a miniature Ba Sing Se out of sand with very precise detail. She just can't do sand anywhere near as well as rock. And Gaara can easily keep his sand out of her way.

#27 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: She can actualky. She even made a miniature Ba Sing Se out of sand with very precise detail. She just can't do sand anywhere near as well as rock. And Gaara can easily keep his sand out of her way.

She became a master Sand Bender by the end of Book 3.

#28 Posted by pooty (10847 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind said:

@ghostravage: She can actualky. She even made a miniature Ba Sing Se out of sand with very precise detail. She just can't do sand anywhere near as well as rock. And Gaara can easily keep his sand out of her way.

She became a master Sand Bender by the end of Book 3.

Really? Besides the sand castle, what did she do with sand?

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#29 Posted by morgrim (1020 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: She said she was working on it and now she is at a decent level in sand bending and can see even when on the beach. And Note I didn't say sand coffin I said earth coffin because while garra and sandman bend the sand she would bend the earth and metal

#30 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:
@cadencev2 said:

@blackwind said:

@ghostravage: She can actualky. She even made a miniature Ba Sing Se out of sand with very precise detail. She just can't do sand anywhere near as well as rock. And Gaara can easily keep his sand out of her way.

She became a master Sand Bender by the end of Book 3.

Really? Besides the sand castle, what did she do with sand?

Oy.

Here she raises SOFT SAND from the beach floor and turn it to rock!

She held a castle size Library for 15 minuets in the sof desert sand, this was when she sucked at sand bending.

By Book 3 she says she been working on it and mastered it, then makes the highly detailed City in the Beach Sand with a foot stomp.

She can bend sand and does it well.

#31 Posted by nick_hero22 (6759 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't Midnighter actually blitz them?

#32 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't Midnighter actually blitz them?

Not really. Blitz Sandman? He is made of Sand. Garra has a Hyper sonic Sand Shield that auto blocks for him. Toph is the only Blitzable one. Even then it is a hell of a starting distance and she reacts to 400 FPS arrows fast enough. She even kind of sees in slow motion with her senses as the show shows it.

#33 Posted by The_PAIN (720 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_pain said:

Gaara teaches Sandman how to use his powers and kill team 2 while Toph sit and relax somewhere and drink tea.

Fixed

#34 Posted by nick_hero22 (6759 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22 said:

Couldn't Midnighter actually blitz them?

Not really. Blitz Sandman? He is made of Sand. Garra has a Hyper sonic Sand Shield that auto blocks for him. Toph is the only Blitzable one. Even then it is a hell of a starting distance and she reacts to 400 FPS arrows fast enough. She even kind of sees in slow motion with her senses as the show shows it.

I have seen scans of Midnighter beating speeders before they were able to react; I honestly don't see anyone in the Naruto or Avatar Universe being at this level of speed. Reacting to arrows in flight is very unimpressive compared to what most street levelers are capable of doing.

#35 Posted by Funsiized (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22: However, most street levels don't see through the earth itself, the moment Midnighters Muscle tense to move, a Rock Trips him up.

Just my 2 cents.

#37 Edited by nick_hero22 (6759 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22: However, most street levels don't see through the earth itself, the moment Midnighters Muscle tense to move, a Rock Trips him up.

Just my 2 cents.

Yet, people with legitimate superhuman speed haven't been able to register his presence during a blitz.

#38 Posted by camera_guy (233 posts) - - Show Bio

Gaara has 3 layers of defense, 2 are passive and one is activated.

Fist line is Sand Sphere/Ball - Needs to be activated

The Gourd's Sand - Passive

Sand Shell - Passive.

#39 Edited by Funsiized (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22: My argument that she has a form of precog on these people. instead of she can't react to the blitz, its more along the lines of the blitz never happens in the first place.

#40 Edited by nick_hero22 (6759 posts) - - Show Bio

@funsiized said:

@nick_hero22: My argument that she has a form of precog on these people. instead of she can't react to the blitz, its more along the lines of the blitz never happens in the first place.

The time it takes the vibration to reach her and her brain to process that and then issue a response, Midnight would have most likely killer her based off what I have seen speed-wise. A freaking speedster was completely defense-less against Midnighter's speed.

I found some scans showcasing his speed against some speedsters. I think we should call in @buckshot to help shed some light on Midnighter's speed and reflexes.

#41 Edited by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (10448 posts) - - Show Bio

@funsiized said:

@nick_hero22: My argument that she has a form of precog on these people. instead of she can't react to the blitz, its more along the lines of the blitz never happens in the first place.

The time it takes the vibration to reach her and her brain to process that and then issue a response, Midnight would have most likely killer her based off what I have seen speed-wise. A freaking speedster was completely defense-less against Midnighter's speed.

which speedster cuz not all of them are that impressive

#42 Posted by nick_hero22 (6759 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22 said:

@funsiized said:

@nick_hero22: My argument that she has a form of precog on these people. instead of she can't react to the blitz, its more along the lines of the blitz never happens in the first place.

The time it takes the vibration to reach her and her brain to process that and then issue a response, Midnight would have most likely killer her based off what I have seen speed-wise. A freaking speedster was completely defense-less against Midnighter's speed.

which speedster cuz not all of them are that impressive

I updated that post

#43 Posted by New_World_Order (12642 posts) - - Show Bio

Garra is beastly.

#44 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nick_hero22: I still see no proof he is Travel Speed Blitzing the team. You showed close quarter combat speed and a speed burst. Nothing to suggest Toph cannot counter from the vast starting distance.

In the Show whenever we see in Toph's "Vision"

Watch from :20-:45 of Toph vs the Boulder. He is moving and stomping at a fast pace, yet to her senses it is in a slower motion. Then skip to 1:50 - 2:05 where Toph shows that she reacts faster than these skilled Eartbenders.

With the huge Starting Distance there is nothing Midnghter speed feats suggest he can close to distance before she can react.

Added to this is Garra's automatic defenses and Sandman being made of Sand.

Midnighter's speed is useless here.