Who would take it if these two had a showdown?
Toph Beifong vs Firelord Ozai
Toph would lose. Ozai just has too much firepower.
He's also much more agile and can dodge most attacks.
I'm tempted to say Ozai but we've never seen ozai fight without the power of the comet. I'm going to say Toph out of better knowledge on her abilities.
Avatar extra's said Ozai was the best fire bender in the world bar Aang at the end of the series. Safe bet is him.
Is this Legend of Korra Toph? That's the only way she stands a chance against Ozai (Even though she's basically featless.)
@limpoyzloan: I think both LOK and ATLA Toph would stand a chance. We haven't seen much of Ozai's firebending outside of Sozin's Comet, although he obviously has to be good.
Ozai hits her with lightning. If she dodges that, a long assault of Sozin's Comet-enhanced flames should put her down for the count.
Is this Legend of Korra Toph? That's the only way she stands a chance against Ozai (Even though she's basically featless.)
Featless and dead. The only time she is mention in LoK is in brief flashbacks.
@shiryu: The fight doesn't take place during the comet....
Well then it's pointless. Without the comet Ozai has NO feats besides his two handed lightning strike at Zuko which Zuko promptly redirected. I don't understand why people make threads with Firelord Ozai and then say no comet allowed. It negates the majority of his actual feats. And please don't say "By powerscaling, we can assume that Ozai is at least capable of everything Zuko and Azula can do," or anything like that. Powerscaling is unnecessary because Ozai has actual feats, but the comet needs to be in effect for him to make use of those feats. I'm not trying to start an argument, just saying what I think.
Well then it's pointless. Without the comet Ozai has NO feats besides his two handed lightning strike at Zuko which Zuko promptly redirected. I don't understand why people make threads with Firelord Ozai and then say no comet allowed. It negates the majority of his actual feats. And please don't say "By powerscaling, we can assume that Ozai is at least capable of everything Zuko and Azula can do," or anything like that. Powerscaling is unnecessary because Ozai has actual feats, but the comet needs to be in effect for him to make use of those feats. I'm not trying to start an argument, just saying what I think.
Agreed. However the whole argument is kind of moot since the creators felt it necessary to make it a major plot point that none of the characters could have taken him alone, even without the comet boosting him.
I say Ozai, even though all we saw from him was the comet amp, everyone was scared of him for a reason.
I'd like to say Toph would win due to her better showings, but then I think about the fact that Toph vs Azula would be a toss up so Ozai should be quite stronger.
With Metal? I could see something, but in the same instance with Aang unless she unloads on him off the bat Ozai could spam those grenade like blasts he has. However the genuine fact he underestimates his opponents leaves a lot of openings early on.
@cosmic_lantern: Pretty sure he has no counter to a barrage of attacks under his feet or building sized constructs. He doesn't have any noteworthy agility.
@back_stabbath95: How the heck do you know Ozai can fly without the comet?
@anthp2000: is it out of the question to assume he can at least keep himself elevated without the comet? Iroh apparently came up with the technique I doubt he needs the comet to do so. Even if he's not jetting around he can become invisible to Toph
@back_stabbath95: Nothing like that is fair to assume. No one firebender has shown themselves capable of doing that without the comet. Even benders with the best fire jet showings like Azula and Mako cannot stay up in the air. Besides, Toph can still hear and smell them like she did with Appa in The Rift.
Iroh never even used or mentioned the technique. Why would he be the one to invent it?
@anthp2000: I was pretty certain it was stated iroh came up with the technique I guess that's fair to say not one bender could do something another can just bc they both bend the same element however ozai did it granted sustainably due to sozens comet but ozai literally has 2 feats without the comet amp, defeating young zuko in an Agni kai and shouting lightning that got directed
@back_stabbath95: It was stated that Iroh invented lightning redirection (that Ozai clearly couldn't use) but that is irrelevant.
Ozai simply doesn't have the feats. Depebding on how you judge his hype sure, he could win. But we can't assume some crazy scenarios like him flying around throwing grenades.
@anthp2000: Toph gets stomped against any firebender because she's too stupid to wear shoes. Ozai decimates the little dirt bender.
He most definitely can fly, but grenades? What?
@xxdeathmakerxx: Ozai has never jobbed you troll.
@huskii: the way he was hyped in the show and the way he was fighting indicates he jobbed
@xxdeathmakerxx: You have flawed memory. He lived up to that hype when he was near stomping Aang the entire fight then made him curl up into a ball scared.
@huskii: Aang was holding back that fight when ozai shot him with lightning he could ve easily redirected it back at him but he chose otherwise giving Ozai an opening thats the only reason Ozai was 'nearly stomping'Aang not To mention he was boosted by Sozins comet
That's not holding back, that's defending against an otherwise unbloackable attack by using the only technique that could. A lot of people make that same argument just like you, but they clearly don't pay much attention or make much sense. Aang was completely serious and had no reason to hold back with the fate of the world in his hands:
He started the battle off with direct offense but simply could not compete with Ozai in sheer power and aggressiveness.
None of these are attacks being held back, they are the largest Aang has shown ever. He fires a giant condensed airblast directly at Ozai and tries to crush him with a pillar even exerts more force than him with that waterfall attack.
There is a difference between holding back and not wanting to kill. Aang has KOed and attempted to KO dozens of people before, Ozai was sure as hell no different.
@huskii: being serious and being bloodlusted are very different not only did aang refuse To kill Ozai with lightning he was trying To incap Ozai who on the other hand went all out in an attempt To kill aang
All the feats showcased in ur post are To be expected from Aang as he knows the importance of the fight he was surely tryharding in that fight but he avoided lethal damage thus Ozai gained an upper hand
@xxdeathmakerxx: Okay and? That's irrelevant. Both were trying their best to beat the other, regardless of how. Yes Aang could've killed Ozai with lightning redirection but that would have been the only way he could secure a win, but it's against his morals.
What? Even if he was going for lethal damage it would make no difference because Ozai was dodging all of his attacks or destroying them.
@huskii: this is a man supposed To be a better firebender than iroh himself the guy who busted the walls of Ba Sing Se his attacks got deflected by a noob firebender in Aang
@xxdeathmakerxx: Iroh needed to charge that attack for like 7 seconds... Aang only deflected Ozai's regular flame attacks that had no concussive force behind them:
Just falling fire stream not a fire blast. This is the only occassion too. Ozai has overwhelmed Aang every other time.
@huskii: still not what i expected from ozai
Ozai curbstomps, I'm a huge fanatic of Toph but there's no way I am insane enough to think she can keep up with Ozai.
With Sozin's comet: Toph has no chance
Without Sozin's comet, but Toph is a child: Toph still looses due to lack of experience
Without Sozin's comet but Toph is in her prime: I give it to Toph, seismic sense is pretty OP. I guess Ozai could just fly, but she can sense earth moving in the air, and she was the best earthbender of her generation
Toph, also a lot of you are assuming he has the comet power.. not stated so why would you assume that? Toph has way more feats, Ozai has never beaten anyone.. except I suppose, a child zuko who didn't fight back at all, that should speak for itself.
If you're going to argue for ozai, you have to at least give one or two non-amped comet feats that beat toph, you can't just say "people were scared of him", that's the stupidest argument to claim victory with I've ever heard. Lightning does not necessarily pierce earth, in fact that's generally what stops it, so it's absolutely conceivable she can deal with that, considering she has knowledge of him being able to shoot lightning in the series. Plus, aang actually blocks one lightning attack with the top of one of the rock spires where they're fighting, proving earth can be used to block lightning.
He's also able to withstand quite a barrage of fire attacks from a comet amped ozai by going into an earth ball, so clearly the far superior earthbender, toph, should be able to easily discard ozai's non-comet enhanced fire.
Without the comet, any bending member of the Gaang probably could have defeated him. Looking at how aang did against him with the comet, it doesn't paint a good picture for his non amped power. That being said, if he can still use fire jets in the way he did with the comet, he beats Toph because of her blindness.
With the comet, Toph loses
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